Recruiting gone to far?

[LakeCtyNewt]

It is not uncommon for relatives and friends pay tuition. But I'm more interested in your other factoid given the R word topic of this thread. You say there are six kids on your team who will attend Carmel. So, how many OTHER kids will be attending public schools? Are the six kids all studs? How many of those six are among the ten best players on your team?



Nobody is debating that fact. But, post away if it makes you feel good.



I have no idea. Why don't YOU do the research, Mr. Journalist, rather than plant seeds of suspicion or make assumptions?



I have very little disdain for public schools. Although, given the lousy job they are doing in general, perhaps I should have more. BTW, I have lots of facts and figures to support that last point. No, Newt, I reserve my disdain primarily for people who have disdain for private schools. The worst disdain is for people who make claims and accusations without the facts to back them up or the stones to report whatever illegal behavior they are able to prove.

Ramblin

They are the 6 best kids I have in every statistical category on offense. So yes they are studs

I have 25 kids on my team. 7 are 7th graders. Of the other 18, 6 will go to Carmel two to Waukegan one to Grayslake and the rest to Warren.

So yes they are studs that ALL live in Gurnee.

You know you could easily research this to on the TCYFL web site.

So essentially I'm coaching Carmel kids

 

[PRokie]

Newt,
These guys will NEVER admit that this sort of thing happens or ever has. They MUST stick together on this one.

 

[Corey90]

All from the website! Black and White!!
Copy and paste must've been how you got to move!!

At no point did I ever question or debate any of this!!! Gee wiz, it's a horrible set up they have huh. So horrible they were prepared to put it out there for all to see. They even put the dates there so the privates minions can come get a sneak peak.

I did not see where they were inviting kids from the south side and two counties away, or did I miss that part? I also didn't see the link to the gofundme page?

And as far as A coach OFFERING anybody anything.. it never happened.
When confronted with the borderless nonsense... and the FINANCIAL NEED that seems to be the umbrella all these folks hide under to justify the obvious..

Rent is cheaper

Newt, PRokie

Newt you should know better than try to debate Ramblin you know it's a losing battle. He is clearly so pro private it borders insanity. These debates happen every year PRokie and I realize you are new to this site so I feel your pain but your fighting a losing battle. The majority of posters here on Edgy are private backers and they tend to act entitled here. Most of the posting is about private schools and the CCL Blue. You picked the worse of the worse in Ramblin, this guy will attack you with the writing venom of a snake. Beware of the Ramblinman. Lol

PS: Privates never recruit the studs from the youth programs! They never give free tuition to Football players. It's a myth!

 

[PRokie]

Corey, I believe you are right on every point!

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

Ramblin

They are the 6 best kids I have in every statistical category on offense. So yes they are studs

I have 25 kids on my team. 7 are 7th graders. Of the other 18, 6 will go to Carmel two to Waukegan one to Grayslake and the rest to Warren.

So yes they are studs that ALL live in Gurnee.

You know you could easily research this to on the TCYFL web site.

So essentially I'm coaching Carmel kids

Primarily, you are coaching kids who are going to public schools. But, so what if you are coaching a handful of kids who are going to Carmel? Just curious, Newt, if you would continue to coach in that program if two thirds of the kids went to Carmel and one third to public schools, rather than the other way around.

I believe you when you say that the 6 best kids are going to Carmel. Were they athletically recruited to attend Carmel? Have they been promised financial assistance because of their athletic ability? Do or did any of their sibs or parents attend Carmel? Do they live beyond a 30 mile radius from Carmel? Does Carmel always get your best players, or is this year an outlier?

If they were athletically recruited by Carmel, or if they are going to receive discounted tuition because of athletics, and you can prove either of those things, then report it. You have the power of the pen. You know how to do it.

I have never been on a youth football website, much less know what TCYFL stands for (sounds like a frozen yogurt chain to me).

BTW, I appreciate your not stooping to the level of personal attacks, unlike some others. I know that I have won an argument and can turn my attention elsewhere when posters choose not to argue facts and resort to disparaging the messenger and not the message.

 

[jwarigaku]

PRokie,

You debated all of this
1) "all park ridge kids are from park ridge" they are not.
2) "park ridge doesn't recruit kids" they not only do, they created a house and travel league to cherry pick the best of the best which is the reason they are no longer Pop Warner.
3) "you promote football life and try to sell it as a way out" couldn't be farther from the truth, I preach education. Likely the reason some of the kids I've worked with ended up at the academies and Ivy League schools, most not even playing ball.
4) "coaches from MS never said that to you" why don't you ask them to meet us at a PR game and I'll fly in and we can meet with Matt Troha to discuss.
5) finally, I'm not strictly a private guy...my kids now go to public school by choice, much like they chose a private alternative in Chicago.

All from the website! Black and White!!
Copy and paste must've been how you got to move!!

At no point did I ever question or debate any of this!!! Gee wiz, it's a horrible set up they have huh. So horrible they were prepared to put it out there for all to see. They even put the dates there so the privates minions can come get a sneak peak.

I did not see where they were inviting kids from the south side and two counties away, or did I miss that part? I also didn't see the link to the gofundme page?

And as far as A coach OFFERING anybody anything.. it never happened.
When confronted with the borderless nonsense... and the FINANCIAL NEED that seems to be the umbrella all these folks hide under to justify the obvious..

Rent is cheaper

 

[Doctor_D]

Wouldn't you want to play against the best?
* makes you a better player
* if your good enough - it accelerates recruiting
* if the team is good enough to win a title - it is that much sweeter knowing you beat the best versus a "hollow title" cuz you didn't face the best "private schools"
* I hope they never split into two divisions with two champions (unless those champs are required to play each other for the big enchalitia

I'm not familiar with North burbs and the inner workings of the Park Ridge school district. I do think that the public private debate is sort of fascinating. Like a bad car wreck that you can't help but look at.
I don't currently think there is much issue in the larger classes. Still have plenty of private schools winning titles, but the games are typically competitive.
The only issue exists in the small/mid classes where we have seen suburban private schools completely overmatch the small community public schools. I understand there are gonna be blow outs. They happen all the time. But when we consistently see one school being an order of magnitude higher than everyone they face in the playoffs, maybe they are in the wrong class.
I see a lot of talk about private schools "raising the bar" and "why win a 'hollow championship'?" and similar stuff.
Let me just ask, did Bishop Mac last year think their championship was "hollow"? Nobody came close to beating them. They could have "raised the bar" and played up in 4A. What about AC in 2011/12? Driscoll's 7 year run....Nobody came close to them either.

E. St. Louis volunteers to play up. They are the only school that does this that I am aware of. Why don't these other teams? Raise the bar.

BTW, if you want my "solution", I'd go back to a "football enrollment" type format. Maybe back to 6 classes, although that will never happen. Otherwise, go to ihsa mandated scheduling. Seems that the teams that trample over the competition in the playoffs on a regular basis typically play "up" a class or two during the regular season. That is something that is just not logistically possible for a vast majority of the public schools that are not in Chicago or the collar counties.

 

[jwarigaku]

Doctor,

I think you thoughts are well laid out. The only thing I would remind you of is that with the multiplier and now the Success Factor the privates are playing up 2-3 classes and dependent on Montini's and SHG's success in the playoffs this year perhaps 4 classes.

I doubt anyone in any program would call their championship hollow.

I applaud ESL for the gusto they show in petitioning to play up!

I'm not familiar with North burbs and the inner workings of the Park Ridge school district. I do think that the public private debate is sort of fascinating. Like a bad car wreck that you can't help but look at.
I don't currently think there is much issue in the larger classes. Still have plenty of private schools winning titles, but the games are typically competitive.
The only issue exists in the small/mid classes where we have seen suburban private schools completely overmatch the small community public schools. I understand there are gonna be blow outs. They happen all the time. But when we consistently see one school being an order of magnitude higher than everyone they face in the playoffs, maybe they are in the wrong class.
I see a lot of talk about private schools "raising the bar" and "why win a 'hollow championship'?" and similar stuff.
Let me just ask, did Bishop Mac last year think their championship was "hollow"? Nobody came close to beating them. They could have "raised the bar" and played up in 4A. What about AC in 2011/12? Driscoll's 7 year run....Nobody came close to them either.

E. St. Louis volunteers to play up. They are the only school that does this that I am aware of. Why don't these other teams? Raise the bar.

BTW, if you want my "solution", I'd go back to a "football enrollment" type format. Maybe back to 6 classes, although that will never happen. Otherwise, go to ihsa mandated scheduling. Seems that the teams that trample over the competition in the playoffs on a regular basis typically play "up" a class or two during the regular season. That is something that is just not logistically possible for a vast majority of the public schools that are not in Chicago or the collar counties.

 

[RetiredReferee]

Here's a monkey wrench: I played with a guy who was recruited by a Catholic grammar school, but played at a public HS.

The 90s were wild.

 

[jwarigaku]

LCN,

How is it that Micah ended up at Warren? Imagine the oppurtunities, if you will, that he would have piled up playing TE at Carmel. Is it about the kids success or the coaches success? Ask yourself that important question.

Ramblin

They are the 6 best kids I have in every statistical category on offense. So yes they are studs

I have 25 kids on my team. 7 are 7th graders. Of the other 18, 6 will go to Carmel two to Waukegan one to Grayslake and the rest to Warren.

So yes they are studs that ALL live in Gurnee.

You know you could easily research this to on the TCYFL web site.

So essentially I'm coaching Carmel kids

 

[PRokie]

Primarily, you are coaching kids who are going to public schools. But, so what if you are coaching a handful of kids who are going to Carmel? Just curious, Newt, if you would continue to coach in that program if two thirds of the kids went to Carmel and one third to public schools, rather than the other way around.

I believe you when you say that the 6 best kids are going to Carmel. Were they athletically recruited to attend Carmel? Have they been promised financial assistance because of their athletic ability? Do or did any of their sibs or parents attend Carmel? Do they live beyond a 30 mile radius from Carmel? Does Carmel always get your best players, or is this year an outlier?

If they were athletically recruited by Carmel, or if they are going to receive discounted tuition because of athletics, and you can prove either of those things, then report it. You have the power of the pen. You know how to do it.

I have never been on a youth football website, much less know what TCYFL stands for (sounds like a frozen yogurt chain to me).

BTW, I appreciate your not stooping to the level of personal attacks, unlike some others. I know that I have won an argument and can turn my attention elsewhere when posters choose not to argue facts and resort to disparaging the messenger and not the message.

Ramblin,

1. Have you ever coached youth football?
If so, where?
2. Are you suggesting there has NEVER been a situation where private costs have been covered in all or part for an athletic purpose for a kid that otherwise would never have even been even contacted?
3. At least some if not many of the past and current players came from the youth leagues you mock. They are the product of people that have donated their time and efforts for years if not decades. While I may detest the very principles of JWar, I would still applaud him for having been part of the process of trying to teach kids the values of the greatest game on earth. Nobody can argue with the time and commitment donated.
Had you been a coach, and seen the folks come and court the very kids you have spent countless hours working with in an attempt to
convince them to play against you in the future, you might get a little red assed about it yourself. I bet you've never been part of a coaching staff on any level...

This is not to suggest only those that have coached should be able to have skin in the game, but until you stand on the sidelines providing more than a spreadsheet, you should at the very least respect our position.

Show me your stats on this sir, and I will agree to disagree and move on.

 

[jwarigaku]

Hey PRokie,

Is that why you were part and parcel to helping or leading the effort to have Jimmy D removed from the program after all he did for the Kids?

He might not have been perfect but he always had the kids best interest at heart.

Ramblin,

1. Have you ever coached youth football?
If so, where?
2. Are you suggesting there has NEVER been a situation where private costs have been covered in all or part for an athletic purpose for a kid that otherwise would never have even been even contacted?
3. At least some if not many of the past and current players came from the youth leagues you mock. They are the product of people that have donated their time and efforts for years if not decades. While I may detest the very principles of JWar, I would still applaud him for having been part of the process of trying to teach kids the values of the greatest game on earth. Nobody can argue with the time and commitment donated.
Had you been a coach, and seen the folks come and court the very kids you have spent countless hours working with in an attempt to
convince them to play against you in the future, you might get a little red assed about it yourself. I bet you've never been part of a coaching staff on any level...

This is not to suggest only those that have coached should be able to have skin in the game, but until you stand on the sidelines providing more than a spreadsheet, you should at the very least respect our position.

Show me your stats on this sir, and I will agree to disagree and move on.

 

[PRokie]

PRokie,

You debated all of this
1) "all park ridge kids are from park ridge" they are not.
2) "park ridge doesn't recruit kids" they not only do, they created a house and travel league to cherry pick the best of the best which is the reason they are no longer Pop Warner.
3) "you promote football life and try to sell it as a way out" couldn't be farther from the truth, I preach education. Likely the reason some of the kids I've worked with ended up at the academies and Ivy League schools, most not even playing ball.
4) "coaches from MS never said that to you" why don't you ask them to meet us at a PR game and I'll fly in and we can meet with Matt Troha to discuss.
5) finally, I'm not strictly a private guy...my kids now go to public school by choice, much like they chose a private alternative in Chicago.

JWar there are kids that come to play in PR from other communities, but they are not recruited... there is no broadcast emails, there are signs in local shops and street corners.
They come here because in many cases they do not have competitive football in their area.

The house league absorbed the Falcons as it was insolvent and with no teams. The tryout process was implemented because many kids were part of the travel program because they paid the fee. Being able to pay doesn't make football players, and with the minimum play rules it created unnecessary issues. Hence, those kids should play house league. Our house league was created over 40 yrs ago.
If it were not for the house league right now there would be no Falcons. Period.

Why are we not part of Pop Warner?? My question exactly. there is nothing I HATE more than the politics of youth football. Would you like to see our email exchanges with the President of the Chicagoland Pop Warner

Last year I voted to play Pop Warner!!!
The fact that we allegedly voted to stay in the UYFL is one of the reasons our entire staff walked.

As far as JD... ask Mark, the president of Chicago Pop Warner. I think you will find his perspective rather enlightening . I find the UYFL to have ZERO credibility. That's a whole diffetent story..

Did I have any say so in removing JD?
Not at all, but if it were up to me it would have happened many years ago. I'm glad you have a positive opinion of him. I will not go into the details of why so many in PR don't, but you can be confident that there is a lot you don't know.

 

[LakeCtyNewt]

LCN,

How is it that Micah ended up at Warren? Imagine the oppurtunities, if you will, that he would have piled up playing TE at Carmel. Is it about the kids success or the coaches success? Ask yourself that important question.

Have you seen him play in person? Or just at camp?

 

[jwarigaku]

LCN,

I actually have seen him play in person, what are you trying to say? What are you suggesting?

Have you seen him play in person? Or just at camp?

 

[LakeCtyNewt]

LCN,

I actually have seen him play in person, what are you trying to say? What are you suggesting?

I'd rather not discuss it openly here. Wouldn't be appropriate

 

[jwarigaku]

PRokie,

And you say I lack credibility? Your stance just went from "Every kid in the program is from Park Ridge" to "we have to help kids where there are not good programs". So I suppose Niles didn't have a good program when Mendenhall showed up on the Falcons door step? No recruiting here, nothing to see, move along.

You sir call others Hypocrites and other asundry names, take a look in the mirror!

JWar there are kids that come to play in PR from other communities, but they are not recruited... there is no broadcast emails, there are signs in local shops and street corners.
They come here because in many cases they do not have competitive football in their area.

The house league absorbed the Falcons as it was insolvent and with no teams. The tryout process was implemented because many kids were part of the travel program because they paid the fee. Being able to pay doesn't make football players, and with the minimum play rules it created unnecessary issues. Hence, those kids should play house league. Our house league was created over 40 yrs ago.
If it were not for the house league right now there would be no Falcons. Period.

Why are we not part of Pop Warner?? My question exactly. there is nothing I HATE more than the politics of youth football. Would you like to see our email exchanges with the President of the Chicagoland Pop Warner

Last year I voted to play Pop Warner!!!
The fact that we allegedly voted to stay in the UYFL is one of the reasons our entire staff walked.

As far as JD... ask Mark, the president of Chicago Pop Warner. I think you will find his perspective rather enlightening . I find the UYFL to have ZERO credibility. That's a whole diffetent story..

Did I have any say so in removing JD?
Not at all, but if it were up to me it would have happened many years ago. I'm glad you have a positive opinion of him. I will not go into the details of why so many in PR don't, but you can be confident that there is a lot you don't know.

 

[jwarigaku]

You just did!

I'd rather not discuss it openly here. Wouldn't be appropriate

 

[PRokie]

PRokie,

And you say I lack credibility? Your stance just went from "Every kid in the program is from Park Ridge" to "we have to help kids where there are not good programs". So I suppose Niles didn't have a good program when Mendenhall showed up on the Falcons door step? No recruiting here, nothing to see, move along.

You sir call others Hypocrites and other asundry names, take a look in the mirror!

We don't recruit the JWar.. and no, there is not a youth program in Niles idiot

 

[LakeCtyNewt]

You just did!

Where did I mention Micahs name?

All I know about him is he played in our youth program for 2 seasons and has played for the HS for 3. Don't know where he lives but we have several kids at Warren that live in Waukegan Grayslake North Chicago and Zion.

 

[jwarigaku]

PRokie,

There certainly was! Maybe not today(honestly not sure) but there was then and as recently as 2010.

Now it's time for you to come back with the Go Fundme comment since you have nothing else.

We don't recruit the JWar.. and no, there is not a youth program in Niles idiot

 

[PRokie]

PRokie,

There certainly was! Maybe not today(honestly not sure) but there was then and as recently as 2010.

Now it's time for you to come back with the Go Fundme comment since you have nothing else.[/QUOTE)

JWar... If in fact Mendenhall was recruited... and I don't believe he was , is all the more reason your boy JD needed to be GONE years ago.

 

[jwarigaku]

Deflect, distract, and DENY!

 

[PRokie]

You're an idiot.. Our program needed to clean house.

Oh wait, I already said that.

Maybe your favor for the former leadership speaks as much to who you are..

Now I get it.

 

[jwarigaku]

PRokie,

I was for your program and the success of the kids. That has never changed or wavered. Much like your claim I think the kids should go where ever they fit best, where we differ is, that I really promoted kids to find their best fit when promoting where I'd love to see them land.

You are the sheep in wolf's clothing that speaks one way but certainly has a single agenda to have all kids land at MS. Guessing that's why all but 2 of the program's 8th graders went to MS. Yeah those are the facts...surprised I know them aren't you. Keep denying the truth, it's okay God still loves you for free!

You're an idiot.. Our program needed to clean house.

Oh wait, I already said that.

Maybe your favor for the former leadership speaks as much to who you are..

Now I get it.

 

[PRokie]

PRokie,

I was for your program and the success of the kids. That has never changed or wavered. Much like your claim I think the kids should go where ever they fit best, where we differ is, that I really promoted kids to find their best fit when promoting where I'd love to see them land.

You are the sheep in wolf's clothing that speaks one way but certainly has a single agenda to have all kids land at MS. Guessing that's why all but 2 of the program's 8th graders went to MS. Yeah those are the facts...surprised I know them aren't you. Keep denying the truth, it's okay God still loves you for free!

I ABSOLUTELY COACH TO PREPARE KIDS FOR MS!!!
VERY Proud of that fact as well. I was not coaching all star teams from 6 counties and asking the public for money!

You damn right

 

[Doctor_D]

Doctor,

I think you thoughts are well laid out. The only thing I would remind you of is that with the multiplier and now the Success Factor the privates are playing up 2-3 classes and dependent on Montini's and SHG's success in the playoffs this year perhaps 4 classes.

I doubt anyone in any program would call their championship hollow.

I applaud ESL for the gusto they show in petitioning to play up!

Success factor is kinda dumb IMO. Certainly has its flaws. It only looks at making title games and doesn't examine whether or not the team is competitive or severely outclassing their opponents. I'm talking about teams that win all 5 playoff games and nobody comes close. You see this in 3a fairly frequently. It also does nothing until after the fact.
I know this is mostly a big school population here on this site. Mostly private school supporters as well. I understand that unilateral changes don't work for all because these are not one size fits all situations. But I think my point is still valid.
Could/should something be changed? Probably/maybe. What should the changes be? I'm not sure.

 

[jwarigaku]

Doctor

I have no problem with success factoring a team provided it applies to everyone public and private.

Success factor is kinda dumb IMO. Certainly has its flaws. It only looks at making title games and doesn't examine whether or not the team is competitive or severely outclassing their opponents. I'm talking about teams that win all 5 playoff games and nobody comes close. You see this in 3a fairly frequently. It also does nothing until after the fact.
I know this is mostly a big school population here on this site. Mostly private school supporters as well. I understand that unilateral changes don't work for all because these are not one size fits all situations. But I think my point is still valid.
Could/should something be changed? Probably/maybe. What should the changes be? I'm not sure.

 

[jwarigaku]

What about the other Maine Township schools. Or the kids that don't have programs in their area that you MUST pick up? Do you just cast them to the side or do you have them move in with you if they're a stud to go to Maine south?

I ABSOLUTELY COACH TO PREPARE KIDS FOR MS!!!
VERY Proud of that fact as well. I was not coaching all star teams from 6 counties and asking the public for money!

You damn right

 

[PRokie]

What about the other Maine Township schools. Or the kids that don't have programs in their area that you MUST pick up? Do you just cast them to the side or do you have them move in with you if they're a stud to go to Maine south?

We coach kids no matter what. There are plenty that go to Maine East.

There are kids that live in areas that don't have a choice as to where they go.. They are most welcome!! There are kids that live in Chicago, go to St Juliana, and then to St Pats..
They are more than welcome, and those coaches aren't hanging out at our practices and games either.

What's your point?

 

[jwarigaku]

PRokie,

I'd like to thank you for proving my point time and again that you change your narrative every time I prove you wrong. Sometimes it's a subtle shift other times not so much. Glad to know you are preparing kids you know are going to Maine East to play at MS!

So the kids that are going to St Pats, whats wrong with playing at Oriole Park? Or Leyden? Etc... hmmmm guess those programs aren't any good?!

As for 6 counties with the Patriots not likely. 4 sure guilty but then again my front yard is in Will County Back is in DuPage and Kane is less than a 5 minute drive. Add to that fact the Patriots don't have an in house league to recruit from like Park Ridge or Tri Cities to take the cream of the crop from 2,000+ kids.

Finally regarding the request I made for funding last year here. I did it with Edgy's permission and asked before I posted. It was not "public funds" I was asking for but rather donations from generous like minded people.

We coach kids no matter what. There are plenty that go to Maine East.

There are kids that live in areas that don't have a choice as to where they go.. They are most welcome!! There are kids that live in Chicago, go to St Juliana, and then to St Pats..
They are more than welcome, and those coaches aren't hanging out at our practices and games either.

What's your point?

 

[PRokie]

Our house league was created over 30 yrs ago. Long before your all-star team. And you say there has never been a tryout fee of any kind..You are telling me you never had kids from Cook County, You never told kids that playing for the patriots would guarantee exposure to potential opportunities...
I've sat at Benedictine and heard what your parents say!

Why don't you start a house league in Naperville... even Put it on GoFundme for like minded people!

Just curious... what were the total costs for someone to play Patriot ball? Assuming they were good enough.

 

[turner1014]

LCN,

What school do the Carmel 6 attend? and if they have someone willing to pay their tuition, good for them. Having had my last of 3 graduate in May, I can say with confidence it is a great school but, it's not the football destination it once was. All you have to do is look at the success of the publics in the area to see where the talent is going. LZ, Libertyville, Stevenson. Riley Lees - his 3 brothers graduated from Carmel. The one school up north that would benefit without Carmel around is Mundelein. Most years Carmel will have at least 5-6 starters from Mundelein.

 

[LakeCtyNewt]

LCN,

What school do the Carmel 6 attend? and if they have someone willing to pay their tuition, good for them. Having had my last of 3 graduate in May, I can say with confidence it is a great school but, it's not the football destination it once was. All you have to do is look at the success of the publics in the area to see where the talent is going. LZ, Libertyville, Stevenson. Riley Lees - his 3 brothers graduated from Carmel. The one school up north that would benefit without Carmel around is Mundelein. Most years Carmel will have at least 5-6 starters from Mundelein.

Hi Turner

All over Gurnee. I dont doubt the education there is good. No qualms there. It's a choice and they chose not to attend Warren. Some would say I hate the private schools for this reason.

I laugh and say not at all. I would like to coach kids that will stay in the program. But I also like to coach.

It's the way it works. My team is 6-1 this year after winning it all last year. We have 19 new kids this year which is pretty cool.

 

[RetiredReferee]

Youth sports would be so much better with no adults involved.

 

[PRokie]

Amen Stripes!!!
100% agree

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

1. Have you ever coached youth football?

No.

2. Are you suggesting there has NEVER been a situation where private costs have been covered in all or part for an athletic purpose for a kid that otherwise would never have even been even contacted?

I would have no idea. Do you? Do you know of ONE or more such situations where a private school has provided, or arranged for, an athletic scholarship? If so, then report the school(s) to the IHSA. Put up or shut up.

3. At least some if not many of the past and current players came from the youth leagues you mock.

Although I admit to the heinous crime of poking fun at a youth league's acronym, I'm fairly certain I never mocked a youth league. Please, enlighten me: show me where I mocked a youth league. Quote me mocking a youth league. Like a lot of your accusations, you can't back it up.

Had you been a coach, and seen the folks come and court the very kids you have spent countless hours working with in an attempt to convince them to play against you in the future, you might get a little red assed about it yourself. I bet you've never been part of a coaching staff on any level...

So what? Look, I really don't care all that much about youth football. That's no slam or mockery. I just don't care. I know you do, and that's fine by me. And it should be fine by you that I don't care about what you care deeply about.

This is not to suggest only those that have coached should be able to have skin in the game, but until you stand on the sidelines providing more than a spreadsheet, you should at the very least respect our position.

WHAT position do you think I am disrespecting? I am DISAGREEING with you on your original assertion that there should be boundaries for private schools because you think they are cherry picking.

Show me your stats on this sir, and I will agree to disagree and move on.

Show you my stats on WHAT? I'm not accusing you of anything. You are the one accusing private schools of cherry picking YOUR players, providing athletic scholarships, and so on and so forth. You want me to prove my innocence with stats? That's not the way it works. If you have a gripe, the onus is on YOU to prove yourself. If you know of wrongdoing, the onus is on YOU to report it. Just coming on here and howling in the wind isn't getting you anywhere.

Now, I have just answered all of your questions and responded to many of your comments. How about if you go back in this thread and do likewise? Answer all the questions that I posed to you that you chose to ignore. You know what? Forget it. Just try responding to these two: Is there any room in your world for private school athletic success that isn't the result of cherry picking or somehow gaming the system? Why is it seemingly okay for public schools to achieve sustained extraordinary athletic success (like MS had with their streak), but a similar or greater level of success on the part of private schools is not okay?

 

[PRokie]

I can now see that the name Ramblin has nothing to do with Hollywood . You really do believe yourself.

1.No you don't coach.. figures. Why? Being so certain of your position at all times I would think you would be great at it...
2. You don't really want to know because head in sand is your defense. As usual , it never happened. You were obviously a Reuters supporter. Spend any time with him?
3.you don't care about youth football, but you sure as F--- want to be sure you have a steady stream of talent coming your way while the minions go and find talent in the name of honesty and transparency.
4. There should absolutely be boundaries on privates.. not for academics, but for athletics.

Name one public school with extraordinary success? MS?? Far from extraordinary. The result of a lot of volunteers at a youth level sending well coached kids to the next level
A. Agreed you don't care about youth football but you recognize the results.
B. Our success was bred within our boundaries. PERIOD!
C which part have you played in building a winner?

Is this your official team supporter picture

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

I can now see that the name Ramblin has nothing to do with Hollywood . You really do believe yourself.

1.No you don't coach.. figures. Why? Being so certain of your position at all times I would think you would be great at it...
2. You don't really want to know because head in sand is your defense. As usual , it never happened. You were obviously a Reuters supporter. Spend any time with him?
3.you don't care about youth football, but you sure as F--- want to be sure you have a steady stream of talent coming your way while the minions go and find talent in the name of honesty and transparency.
4. There should absolutely be boundaries on privates.. not for academics, but for athletics.

Name one public school with extraordinary success? MS?? Far from extraordinary. The result of a lot of volunteers at a youth level sending well coached kids to the next level
A. Agreed you don't care about youth football but you recognize the results.
B. Our success was bred within our boundaries. PERIOD!
C which part have you played in building a winner?

Is this your official team supporter picture

I try to argue substance with you, but you have very little to offer in that regard. You want to take this argument personal, but I will not take that bait.

Good luck to you, your youth football team, and the MS Hawks. Perhaps we'll see a LA/MS rematch in the playoffs...assuming the Hawks qualify.

 

[PRokie]

We will if we don't have CCL officials like we did at your yard.