Recruiting gone to far?

BretEpic

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I can now see that the name Ramblin has nothing to do with Hollywood . You really do believe yourself.

Name one public school with extraordinary success? MS?? Far from extraordinary. The result of a lot of volunteers at a youth level sending well coached kids to the next level

MS is not extraordinary? And someone else has their head in the sand?

So when MS does it, it's a great community, parenting, youth coaches and so on. When a private school does it's cheating, minions and the like.

And we act entitled and holier-than-thou... please.

Programs, public and private, have gamed the system. Yet that does not mean all do. However one side of this never-ending and tired argument insists on absolute polarity...
 
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MS is not extraordinary? And someone else has their head in the sand?

So when MS does it, it's a great community, parenting, youth coaches and so on. When a private school does it's cheating, minions and the like.

And we act entitled and holier-than-thou... please.

Programs, public and private, have gamed the system. Yet that does not mean all do. However one side of this never-ending and tired argument insists on absolute polarity...

Some even get caught and face sanctions when they game the system, like issuing fraudulent sideline passes, conducting non-compliant clinics, etc... One would think that the ones that got caught would be humbled and among the last to cast aspersions on others.
 

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Some even get caught and face sanctions when they game the system, like issuing fraudulent sideline passes, conducting non-compliant clinics, etc... One would think that the ones that got caught would be humbled and among the last to cast aspersions on others.
Oh we did those things... you see, sometimes one has to admit their program may have had issues at time. I believe we even paid a price???
I don't remember a thread in the past where any of that was denied.
However Reuters boys follow the same path as past leaders in that they have never done anything wrong and they are above reproach.
Much like those that OPENED THE STATE BOX prior to the game like jags..much like the arrogance of renting buses for down state before you even win, NOT SHAKING HANDS after a game... post menstrual whining because our horrible heathen kids ran on precious soil after the game.
much like getting back to our cars and finding them vandalized..

None of it has ever happened did it...
 

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MS is not extraordinary? And someone else has their head in the sand?

So when MS does it, it's a great community, parenting, youth coaches and so on. When a private school does it's cheating, minions and the like.

And we act entitled and holier-than-thou... please.

Programs, public and private, have gamed the system. Yet that does not mean all do. However one side of this never-ending and tired argument insists on absolute polarity...
Epic... you are one I would NEVER consider as being anything less than realistic.

You are completely correct... there are bad apples everywhere, and I am 100% in agreement with you!
How it is is how it is... It's polarizing!!
 

BretEpic

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Epic... you are one I would NEVER consider as being anything less than realistic.

You are completely correct... there are bad apples everywhere, and I am 100% in agreement with you!
How it is is how it is... It's polarizing!!
It is incredibly polarizing and sad IMO. Kids get sold short in all this.

You are still nuts saying MS is ordinary though. They are still one of the best and most successful programs in the state. A half decade title drought is really not that bad. Give @Cross Bones his sandbags back, or send them east. Someone needs them more than MS.
 
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In a different thread, you bemoaned the fact that there weren't many NT kids at the MS game to witness NT break the streak.

I can only imagine the super mellow and understanding Hawk faithful would have been totally cool if hundreds of Trevian fans had been at that game and rushed the MS field to congratulate their players before time expired, and then rush it again after they were shooed off and time did expire, thereby delaying the post game handshake at best and endangering the safety of players at worst.
 
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In a different thread, you bemoaned the fact that there weren't many NT kids at the MS game to witness NT break the streak.

I can only imagine the indignation among the Hawk faithful if hundreds of Trevian fans had been at that game and rushed the MS field to congratulate their players before time expired, and then rush it again after they were shooed off and time did expire, delaying the post game handshake at best and endangering the safety of players at worst.
I wish what people they had had rushed the field... it was AWESOME for them and a huge win!!! They are kids, and I along with many other Hawk fans knew this would be a night they would never forget. A truly GREAT MOMENT that if the kids they had could've shared it with the players... GOOD FOR THEM!!!

Your players only danger was getting pushed away by your AD acting like a bitter old *****.
nobody got hurt, except your precious feelings sweetheart!!

Indignation... hardly. It's a good thing you don't coach.
 

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It is incredibly polarizing and sad IMO. Kids get sold short in all this.

You are still nuts saying MS is ordinary though. They are still one of the best and most successful programs in the state. A half decade title drought is really not that bad. Give @Cross Bones his sandbags back, or send them east. Someone needs them more than MS.

Epic, I've only lived in PR since 2000, and have found that yes, MS has been competitive. I've been fortunate enough to see first hand from flag football up the commitment within the community much like Tri-City . I don't find it unusual simply because where I came from... football was a way of life. The bigger difference here are all of the politics and garbage that truly minimize the hard work of the kids.

If it really is extraordinary, thank you, we are blessed....I wish however this sort of community involvement were more the norm.
 
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Would Maine South have had a 77-game Central Suburban South winning streak if Loyola Academy and private schools did not exist?

In my opinion, no. Imagine the strength of New Trier (though New Trier West most likely would still be open), Glenbrook South, and Evanston.
 

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Would Maine South have had a 77-game Central Suburban South winning streak if Loyola Academy and private schools did not exist?

In my opinion, no. Imagine the strength of New Trier (though New Trier West most likely would still be open), Glenbrook South, and Evanston.

You may very well be right!! I can tell you I would much rather have seen those seasons where you have a solid competitive schedule.

There have been more than several discussions around the stadium about whether or not our schedule has hurt us in the past.
 

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Based on your name is it safe to assume that your from Oklahoma? If so Union, Jenks or Who?

Epic, I've only lived in PR since 2000, and have found that yes, MS has been competitive. I've been fortunate enough to see first hand from flag football up the commitment within the community much like Tri-City . I don't find it unusual simply because where I came from... football was a way of life. The bigger difference here are all of the politics and garbage that truly minimize the hard work of the kids.

If it really is extraordinary, thank you, we are blessed....I wish however this sort of community involvement were more the norm.
 

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Would Maine South have had a 77-game Central Suburban South winning streak if Loyola Academy and private schools did not exist?

In my opinion, no. Imagine the strength of New Trier (though New Trier West most likely would still be open), Glenbrook South, and Evanston.

Three are four private schools (Loyola, Regina, Christian Heritage Academy and North Shore Country Day) within New Trier's district. CHA and NSCD are tiny. Regina is around 350 girls, and Loyola has roughly 2000 students. Not sure about CHA and NSCD demographics, but Loyola and Regina draw a substantial majority of their students from outside of the NT district. I highly doubt that NTW would still be open as a separate four year high school if there were no private schools.

Of the schools you mentioned, GBS would likely benefit the most from a football perspective if private schools didn't exist. Year in and year out, Loyola's biggest feeder school is OLPH in Glenview, from which it always gets a ton of good players. Most of those players would attend GBS (and a handful to New Trier and Maine East) if private schools did not exist.

Sure, ETHS, NT and GBS would probably have stronger programs, but Loyola and Notre Dame enroll a fair number of kids from PR and the MS district, so most of those kids would have attended MS in the absence of private schools. Would the net effect have been enough to keep MS from having a 77 game winning streak? Maybe, but I think they still would have been the team to beat in 8A during their long run.
 
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PRokie,

Look man I called my friend at Jenks, his name is Dub and he's the OC. Prior to Jenks he was at Broken Arrow. Sure in their day Midwest City was a very good team but the facts are they are currently a 6A division II school. There is nothing wrong with that and they play good football. But let's not pretend they are a Union or Jenks type of team at this point in time. Storied program from the hayday yes, current power program no. I'd also venture to say if Maine South and they were to play a game Maine South, since around 2000, would come out on top more oft than not. Feel free to disagree but please counter with facts from 2000 onward not 1994 prior.

 

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PRokie,

Look man I called my friend at Jenks, his name is Dub and he's the OC. Prior to Jenks he was at Broken Arrow. Sure in their day Midwest City was a very good team but the facts are they are currently a 6A division II school. There is nothing wrong with that and they play good football. But let's not pretend they are a Union or Jenks type of team at this point in time. Storied program from the hayday yes, current power program no. I'd also venture to say if Maine South and they were to play a game Maine South, since around 2000, would come out on top more oft than not. Feel free to disagree but please counter with facts from 2000 onward not 1994 prior.
That is a fair assessment.. they are still in the largest class..

My point is after seeing the history, you can understand my not feeling that what happens in Park Ridge is all that extraordinary. Competitive yes, but not extraordinary..

Unfortunately MWC is landlocked . The Tulsa area schools have been dominant for the last 15-20 yrs. MWC from the early 60's thru the late 90's was dominant.
 

BretEpic

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Awe Epic that hurts!!