Recruits notice the fans negativity

[supernova0221]

I'm sure it doesn't affect the recruits and they don't ever read this stuff...accept they do.

https://kentucky.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1831616

There is a difference between being a good fan, a sunshine pumper, pointing out concerns and being a problem. Many on this board are adding to a problem. I for one don't want to see this class go to hell. It's time cooler heads prevailed.

It's ok to be angry, I've been mad for weeks. But Stoops isn't going anywhere this year deal with it. If he goes 5-7 next year he is done so why don't we as Kash says do our part to stay behind the program. It's a win win for everyone. If Stoops wins, we're all happy. If he loses, he gets fired and most everyone is happy too. See, look at the positives.

 

[jauk11]

Very well spoken, Stoops will be here next year, live with it, and try not to help tear this class apart. Not that I think that is going to happen, as I pointed out in another thread, five of the commits are from Kentucky and twelve (counting Ross) are from Ohio, where we have a great recruiter, so I think all of those are pretty solid, and that isn't to say any of the others aren't.

There is a lot more to choosing a UNIVERSITY than their last season, great campus, coaches you like and trust, teammates of high character, not a bunch of transfers and criminals, excellent facilities just lately, the BEST conference, great tutoring assistance with a worthwhile degree, great S&C facilities and coaches, closer to home for the Kentucky and Ohio commits, etc etc.

And last but not least, a great fan base that has been here through a lot of bad times. lets not let too many gripes discourage our troops, if all you can do is gripe then just step back and don't be part of the problem. The players and COACHES are still young and learning, let Stoops decide the changes to be made, because he WILL be here next year.

 

[jauk11]

Not to criticize Kash's post, I liked it, but while Kentucky is a "basketball" school to most it also has a great football fan base. I love UK basketball, and it is easy to follow with all the success over the decades, but football is my first love, as it probably is for most of our regular posters, and we have a lot more passionate football fans than anyone gives us credit for. All we need is a little encouragement in the form of wins, and I still believe that with all the starters returners and young talent already here and coming in we are on the verge of a greatly improved program, able to compete (not win all the games, but compete in all of them) in the SEC, with an occasional chance to win the SEC. Of course it is easier, but we do it in basketball with mostly the same fan base.

Lots of disappointments in football, always a loser in every game, doubt if MSU expected to lose to their in state rival like they did, and number 11 got beat by THIRTY FIVE by their in state rival, Oklahoma.

Don't abandon the ship and don't abandon our young commits like Kash.

 

[Blueaz]

"Accept," he was also stated that the fans have long suffered. He understands they do expect better results and he accepts that aspect of BBN; and he is accepting the challenge to help change the basketball school culture.
He hopes his teams can be an exception to the normal and accepted expectations of UK football.

 

[EZBLUE1]

This has been recycled for years. People get on these boards and make it personal from players to coaches. IMO talking football is extremely difficult for our fan base. When people do talk X's and O's they sre rediculed on this board.

Also, look at social media. Patrick writes a very mature thank you and several of our fans are out of control with personal attacks on him. Why not thank him for his work and move on? Maybe it's too much to ask.

 

[CatDaddy4daWin]

We as fans need to take a step back and realize we're not helping the situation. One thing that could make this go from bad to worse is for us to lose the bulk of our class. We have got to keep the majority on board to have any semblance of a chance at a good team in the future.

I'm pretty much done spending money going to games but I still want Stoops to succeed. We have got to stop eating our own here and telling guys to leave and go elsewhere.

It's up to the current players to fix this though. They got to work harder and longer than other teams to beat them.

 

[bigblueinsanity_rivals250340]

We have one of the most intelligent fan bases in basketball and one of the dumbest in football. Theres really nothing wrong with that, except the fans who know nothing about the sport wont accept their lack of knowledge and just be observant. Instead, many run to twitter or message boards and sound off with emotional and/or personal attacks on players/coaches.

Players see it. Recruits see it. Parents see it. Criticism is fine. Attacks do nothing but injure the already wounded program.

 

[oboroCATfan]

We as fans need to take a step back and realize we're not helping the situation. One thing that could make this go from bad to worse is for us to lose the bulk of our class. We have got to keep the majority on board to have any semblance of a chance at a good team in the future.

I'm pretty much done spending money going to games but I still want Stoops to succeed. We have got to stop eating our own here and telling guys to leave and go elsewhere.

It's up to the current players to fix this though. They got to work harder and longer than other teams to beat them.

I agree with this totally. After this season I am done having mediocre expectations for this program. I expect a 3 or 4 win season next year and that is fine because that is what this program is. I think Stoops is back for at least 2 more years and probably more and we should just accept it. Like this poster said I also wont be going to any games but I will watch them on TV if I am not busy.

 

[shutzhund]

"Fans" ruin sports. From Little League fathers to Div I couch pretenders. Thank goodness they are in the minority.

 

[vhcat70]

We have one of the most intelligent fan bases in basketball and one of the dumbest in football.

Comparing these two intelligences needed is the difference between kindergarten & grad school. Even making that statement shows the problem.

Just how complicated can five player movements be versus 11-player movements? Not very.

 

[TJS4UK]

Some of these folks are fans, but some of these are basketball "onlys" or "mostlys", and I believe that several are Cardinal fans in UK clothing. I know for a fact that 1 UL fan used to do just that. I wish that the mods would do something about it, but I guess they like to see an increase in the number of "hits".

 

[vhcat70]

If the recruits notice it, why don't Stoops & Barnhart notice it? Too difficult for them?

 

[UKfan2151]

They notice losing records and season collapses even more.

 

[mtn cat1]

I'm sure it doesn't affect the recruits and they don't ever read this stuff...accept they do.

https://kentucky.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1831616

There is a difference between being a good fan, a sunshine pumper, pointing out concerns and being a problem. Many on this board are adding to a problem. I for one don't want to see this class go to hell. It's time cooler heads prevailed.

It's ok to be angry, I've been mad for weeks. But Stoops isn't going anywhere this year deal with it. If he goes 5-7 next year he is done so why don't we as Kash says do our part to stay behind the program. It's a win win for everyone. If Stoops wins, we're all happy. If he loses, he gets fired and most everyone is happy too. See, look at the positives.

Should any recruit change their commitment it won't be because of any criticism that they have read !!!

 

[JohnnyinShelbyville]

^^^THIS!!!

There's not a recruit or parent alive who cares what Walter from Timbuktoo, KY says anonymously on the internet. The problem is what they see with their own eyes IN LIVING COLOR ON THE SEC CHANNEL!!!

 

[wildcat1973_rivals160373]

They notice that we aren't a very good football team. A lot more than they notice the fans.

But hey, bash the fans.

 

[chroix]

If I'm a coach recruiting against UK I'd come on here and cut and paste as many negative comments as I could find (easy job) and show them to the recruits parents. "Is your son going to have to cut his hair?" "Is their coach even going to be there next year?" the list goes on, but many of you are providing golden material for the Petrinos of the world.

 

[supernova0221]

^^^THIS!!!

There's not a recruit or parent alive who cares what Walter from Timbuktoo, KY says anonymously on the internet. The problem is what they see with their own eyes IN LIVING COLOR ON THE SEC CHANNEL!!!

It's what the collective tone is not one or two

 

[Rawrrr]

If I'm a coach recruiting against UK I'd come on here and cut and paste as many negative comments as I could find (easy job) and show them to the recruits parents. "Is your son going to have to cut his hair?" "Is their coach even going to be there next year?" the list goes on, but many of you are providing golden material for the Petrinos of the world.

If I'm a coach recruiting against UK I'd I would just completely make up as many negative comments as I could that are even more damning than anything posted on here, and say I copied and pasted them from my competitors message boards. Get the concept? It doesn't matter if everyone pumps sunshine or hot lava, coaches are still going to try every trick in the book to sway recruits.

 

[JohnnyinShelbyville]

The piss poor coaching they and their families see far outweighs any collective tone.

 

[richbrookstomato]

The UK Football fan is MILD compared to some of the other SEC fans and fans of the other big time programs.

For the punishment we have endured over the years, we complain very little. You have idiots in any fan base, but ours are constantly looking to the future because our present is usually hard to handle.

I want recruits that have the desire to change the dynamic of UK Football's past. I feel like we have that in the 16 Class.

 

[Chuckinden]

I've been around these boards since Al Gore invented the internet and the day this site or any site functions only as a "rah-rah" or a "doom and gloom" venue, that is the day I will never be back.

I honestly cannot believe that a recruit would think that any board with anonymous posters is a true indicator of what it's like to play at any school. Hell, if that were the case, UL would have any and all recruits they could want. From what I've heard, they are the biggest sunshine pumpers on the planet.

It is what it is. There will always been a group that will will go overboard both ways.

 

[ukalumni00]

There were 50k plus fans at the first Spring Game. Let that sink in. This fanbase is desperate for a winning football program.

 

[sambowieshin_rivals]

Year 6 in a row fielding an unwatchable football team has way more to do with the ability to recruit top notch players than some negativity on a message board. In fact, I am sometimes absolutely amazed we get as many fans to our games as we do. Name me ONE team in the country that has had our attendance level after 60 consecutive years of mediocre to horrible football. Blaming the UK football fans for some recruiting issues is like criticizing people in Hell for complaining about the heat.

 

[ThwKentuckyKid]

I don't think it's a good idea blame the fans, recruits eventually get scholarships and a chance to showcase themselves for the NFL, coaches get paid 6-7 figures a year, the fans pay to go to games, sit in the rain to watch a painstaking form of "entertainment", that brings us nothing but shot nerves and loss of hard earned money.

 

[chroix]

If I'm a coach recruiting against UK I'd I would just completely make up as many negative comments as I could that are even more damning than anything posted on here, and say I copied and pasted them from my competitors message boards. Get the concept? It doesn't matter if everyone pumps sunshine or hot lava, coaches are still going to try every trick in the book to sway recruits.

Sure they could fake it but if I'm a parent of a recruit I'm checking it out further myself. Lying only gets you so far, I'm sure most coaches realize that.

Side note: the sunshine pumper thing is weird. This is the only place I ever hear anyone use that phrase. Where does it come from?

 

[Rawrrr]

Sure they could fake it but if I'm a parent of a recruit I'm checking it out further myself. Lying only gets you so far, I'm sure most coaches realize that.

Side note: the sunshine pumper thing is weird. This is the only place I ever hear anyone use that phrase. Where does it come from?

http://bfy.tw/32gH [winking]

 

[oboroCATfan]

I agree that is time to start blaming the fans and we should definitely shoulder some of the burden of the miscues of this program. If I had just been 5% more positive maybe Joker is still here and is more successful and maybe Stoops doesn't make some of his blunders if we were just a little happier about things. As a punishment to myself for failing to elevate this program I am firing myself as a fan of UK football.

 

[jaknfo90]

"As a punishment to myself for failing to elevate this program I am firing myself as a fan of UK football."

Count me in I'm all for doing my part! Being a season ticket holder hasn't worked.

 

[Gaytor Hater]

I'm sick and tired of hearing how fans need to get behind the program and support it. We are supporting it by voicing our opinion when things are going wrong and need to change when it's obvious that the person running the show is in over his head. Saying nothing or being delusional that everything is going to work out in 2 more years is non-sense.

I like Stoops and i want him to succeed here but so far he has not shown me he has the ability to build a program or lead it. Changing coordinators every year isn't going to solve our problems although they are part of the problem. It just puts us further behind each year. There's no easy answer to our problems. Kentucky football is unique in that we play in the toughest conference yet we are in a state that requires we get out of state talent which is difficult to do. We're not like UL where we can play in a weak conference and get talent from criminals and outcasts from other programs. For the first time in forever we have a coach that isn't afraid to go after real talent. The problem is the team is being mismanaged and not well coached. Some coaches are just better coordinators and not head coaching material. Many coordinators or assistance coaches in sports take head coaching jobs and fail or are very mediocre. You don't have to be a coach, former player or had even played the sport to see it.

All we have wanted out of this team is improvement year to year and we haven't gotten that from year 2 to year 3. Sure, we need better players but they won't matter if they aren't coached properly. I think next year is the point of no return for many fans. If we have another season like we've had the past two then i can see many fans throwing in the towel for Kentucky football altogether. I think some already have and there's no indication that we're going to have a better season next year.

 

[NKYWildcat]

We have one of the most intelligent fan bases in basketball and one of the dumbest in football..

I would agree about the football part of his observation, but not so sure about the basketball part.

 

[Kats23]

Fans on a messageboard do not keep players from coming to a school like UK for football. You'll never convince me of that. A player may be wavering, it may play into it but I can almost guarantee there hasn't been a kid who has been 100% committed to UK who went on a messageboard after a loss or a disappointing season. and went "wow the fans are upset and some are saying mean things. No thanks"

You shouldn't attack a kid on his social media accounts or even on here but it happens and it happens here and at every school. Look at Michigan. You think Harbaugh isn't going to be able to get recruits because fans attacked the punter after the State game? I've said it a thousand times. We're not that important.
Sorry

 

[chroix]

http://bfy.tw/32gH [winking]

Ha! I was a little scared to google that. Thanks

 

[John Henry]

Fans did not create this mess

 

[oldsports_]

If I'm a opposing coach, I would just send the kid and parents a video of the EKU and Vandy games . Get it?

 

[Soupbean]

Kash gets it. He sees the comments from the "at least it's basketball season" crowd and he hears it from the football crowd and how disappointed we all are. But I think or at least HOPE he and the others also realizes that the only reason the disappointment is so loud is because as he pointed out, there may not be a football fandom in the country more starved for a successful program than UK and the reason we are so bent out of shape now is because 5 months ago we were on top of the mountain as far as hopes and future.

The recruits need only to look at the crowd that traveled to Nashville and the crowd at the UL game to see that even in the midst of serious doubt and disappointment the BBN is there. Will they be next year? The answer is not with the enthusiasm they were the start of this year, but give them one ounce of hope by the product they see on the field and they will be back. Give them real signs of improvement and potential for more and look out.

We're with you Kash and we're counting on you guys turning this thing around.

 

[4UK]

Those of you in the "don't scare off recruits" crowd are giving message boards far too much credit. Cal, IMO, is the greatest recruiter alive, regardless the sport. He has a very simple message: Judge with your eyes, not your ears. Take a look at what's happening, not what somebody else tells you is happening.

The vast majority of recruits are smart enough to see what's happening. Unfortunately for UK,
what they see is terribly ugly right now. No amount of sunshine pumping - or negativity, for that matter - on a message board will ever overshadow what's happening on the field and in the program.

Recruits want a shot at the NFL, playing time, and to win, probably in that order. They will go to where they think they have the best shot at each of those, and very little else will affect their decision.

 

[dnabbott25]

Every school and fan base has the right to complain...NOTE: this is a MESSAGE BOARD
Georgia fans are doing it, they won 9 games and fired their coach, LSU fans are doing it more than anyone, they almost fired their coach. Get over it bro, its life. That's what fans do, no recruit should let it get to them, or they are weak minded. Its going to happen wherever you go, whenever you go

 

[dnabbott25]

Fans pay upwards of $3000 for season tickets and donations. They pay a couple hundred dollars in tailgate food, they put gas in their vehicle, they round up their friends and drive to Lexington, they spend hours setting up and taking down, they fill the seats, they are ALL IN. And in return (this year), the team "product" couldn't get a damn first down. Forget scoring, they couldn't move the damn ball man. So we have a right to be mad. The second half of the year we couldn't move the ball

 

[Poetax]

Not to criticize Kash's post, I liked it, but while Kentucky is a "basketball" school to most it also has a great football fan base. I love UK basketball, and it is easy to follow with all the success over the decades, but football is my first love, as it probably is for most of our regular posters, and we have a lot more passionate football fans than anyone gives us credit for. All we need is a little encouragement in the form of wins, and I still believe that with all the starters returners and young talent already here and coming in we are on the verge of a greatly improved program, able to compete (not win all the games, but compete in all of them) in the SEC, with an occasional chance to win the SEC. Of course it is easier, but we do it in basketball with mostly the same fan base.

Lots of disappointments in football, always a loser in every game, doubt if MSU expected to lose to their in state rival like they did, and number 11 got beat by THIRTY FIVE by their in state rival, Oklahoma.

Don't abandon the ship and don't abandon our young commits like Kash.

It's not hard to understand Kash's impression that he reads on here. Some here get way too emotional and start screaming they're gone, not buying tickets, players should transfer, new recruits aren't coming, staff needs to be replaced. It's overwhelming for them to hear this when in their lives they were excited just to be a part of this program. I hope whatever is done is done with some thought because this new group needs to feel good about coming here so hopefully they can see that it's still going in the right direction.