Whopping total of two hits tonight in a 2-1 loss. While we leave four good young hitters at Louisville in AAA.
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So the Reds call up Lively and Herget and they're showing Law as the starter today? Why'd they call up Lively again? Pretty sure he missed a start in Louisville to come up. Checking Louisville's Box Scores, he hasn't pitched in over a week. He should be fresh.
Greene had to be near perfect. He wasn't. No shame in that. Still not efficient (100+ pitches in 5.1 innings) as well.
Right? They must really want this to be a bullpen game. If that's what they were going to do, why didn't they cut Newman loose and Call up McClain or CES? Now they're just wasting roster spots.
Going to need a pitcher like Abbott right now in that 5th spot more than anything else. I hate this 'Opener' approach TB started awhile back taxing the bullpen every 5th game. Thought this was supposed to be Lively's spot in the rotation. Did I miss something on him or Herget why that did not start today? Not even showing upcoming starts on MLB Probable pitchers. I get removing Cessa from the rotation for someone better but he would have been beneficial eating innings in long relief so they cut him altogether.
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Agree, the game wasn't lost because of Hunter Greene. Inconsistent offense production going up against the reigning AL Cy Young Award winner Justin Verlander. Doubt anyone seriously expected this Reds team to win last night.
So they put Law out there to face the first four batters then bring in Lively. WT actual F is that about? Law threw 20 pitches.
Head scratcher for me too. Hate to be dense but I don't get it.
Lively got his "at'em" ball going today.
At least Tyler Stephenson is starting to come around. 2 more hits today. Time to send back Ramos, call up TJ Hopkins. TJ plays all 3 OF spots.
Law goes 1.1 innings before Lively takes over in the 2nd. Makes absolutely no sense but Reds leading 4-0.
Lively was good for 3 innings without a run but this is no depth whatsoever at the back end of the rotation assuming Ben starts next time. With 4-5 spots in shambles, Stout, Williamson & Abbott all in Triple A with only Abbott showing consistency and cutting Cessa, I don't know where the hell they go to get innings going forward. Bullpen going to be taxed regardless today.
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Good for Steer starting to come around. He's as much apart of the future for the Reds plans as anyone in the infield.
Damn it India, that's a 2-run dinger by Steer if you don't do stoopid ****! Reds 5-0.
Wow! Hell of a throw by Ramos to nail Alvarez at the plate. Also had a huge walk to keep the rally alive in the first.
Weird team to drop the series to the White Sox but beat a potent Mets offense. In the end, I'll take it. 5-0 shutout!
Was this maybe a stop gap to get Abbott a couple more starts in AAA before sliding him into the rotation?
Smoke and mirrors win, baseball's a funny game. Nice win and nice effort from the BP. Glad to see Steer go yard, he's about the only power guy in the lineup.
If Freidl goes on the IL do they finally call up Hopkins?
If Freidl goes on the IL do they finally call up Hopkins?
Been like that all season so far.
Dumb question. The Pirates have lost 9 of 10, they are coming back to earth. The Brewers haven't done much themselves to make up any ground, the Cardinals are sucking this year and The Reds are only 4.5 games back. If this trend continues for the next 2-3 weeks, the Reds have a decent road trip and are still within reasonable striking distance when June rolls around, would that merit making a few moves to bolster the team, like say, calling up the big 3, and maybe see if they can get themselves into the wildcard hunt?
OK slap me, that's stinkin' thinkin' I know, this is the Reds we're talking about.
Hope that's the end result with these recent moves. Just not a fan of this opener strategy. Glad the gamble paid off today and it's worth it short term for Abbott.
Absolutely, I'll revise my stance on him earlier after his Paul O'Neill impression with that throw nailing the runner at home was right on the money.
It's interesting to think about the chances of it happening. Would need to get Abbott, CES, Hopkins, EDLC & McLain up here in time, have an India level impact of 2021 who quickly adjusted from the rookie slump early on. I think realistically they could have a shot in 2024 with the expanded postseason format. All depends on how much experience the prospects in Louisville get in MLB this year to have enough film to adjust over the offseason. Heard an analyst say this week on MLB Network with so many teams right now looking like they could have a shot at the postseason, fewer teams will be looking to sell. Still a lot of baseball to play until the deadline and know for sure who is real or not by then.
Look for Brewers to eventually take control of the CD. Cubs/Cards will challenge although Cards have dug themselves a big hole. Reds will be a 72-75 win team. They don't have depth, would take career years from SEVERAL guys to do much better. That and only 3 starting pitchers and a reluctant FO to fix the team will be the death knell(Big 3 pitching woes may sink them anyway). Reds need to dump vets, bring in rookies by mid-June but I have doubts of them doing much of anything.
Chicago may find themselves right in the mix of it all before it is said and done. It's a FO that isn't afraid to spend money right after a short fire sale in 2021. It's laughable to watch St. Louis at the bottom after mocking us for years. Spent all that money on Contreras and removed from catcher. What a joke. Especially their starting rotation too. Could be the Brewers division to win this year but won't go far in the playoffs. It's another organization that doesn't like to spend money and will add marginal pieces like Moustakas to try and win. Just never any success in October. Probably going to lose Burnes. He wasn't happy with the FO to begin with after the fallout from his arbitration case and hasn't looked as dominant to start this year.
It's the Reds we're talking about so probably not. Use it as an excuse to push Senzel back to CF, maybe give Barrero a shot before figuring what they're going to do with him. Replace the roster spot with another infielder to the crowded equation with Reynolds, Alejo Lopez or Will Benson if they choose an OF. That's how this FO rolls.
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Marlins calling up top prospect from AA Eury Perez before series vs Cincinnati. 20 years old, youngest pitcher in franchise history. We have 26 year olds yet to debut. That's not going to go over well Reds Country. Way to smear it in our faces.
I don't think this had anything to do with Abbott. You don't just waive a starting pitcher in Cessa and not have some kind of plan in place unless you are the Reds. It worked in their favor today but expecting 6 innings of relief every 5th day out of the bullpen will have them spent by early June. I don't know why Lively did not start the game. He goes 5-6 innings every game in Louisville with 48 pitches when Bell yanked him. That's not going to work going forward.
Cessa should have remained in his spot until Abbott gets called up assuming the Reds actually will this year. Like the Chris Welsh says, sometimes you have to trust the numbers on the back of the baseball card and it will prove Cessa wasn't some AAA pitcher. Asked a relief pitcher to come in and stabilize the back end of the rotation. Started 16 games for Cincinnati, only 3 games in which he gave up more than 3 runs.
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Reds in early 1960s called up Pete Rose from AA at age 21-22 and gave him 2B job. This FO would still have Rose in High A at age 82.
Are they still trying to retain these guys another year keeping them down? What is the magical date now with the new CBA? I was trying to figure this out the other day but failed to find anything concrete. The Cubs waited until April 15th or so in the 2015 season for Kris Bryant. Well past that date now. At some point you also have to consider the prospects kept down in AA, A Ball that need to be moved up. Marte needs to be in Louisville before the year ends. I think Lyon Richardson should already be there having to protect him in the Rule 5 last year. Take a bit of a chance on a former college player like Dunn showing he's killing it for Dayton, move him to Chattanooga so he's one step closer to helping this team sooner.Reds in early 1960s called up Pete Rose from AA at age 21-22 and gave him 2B job. This FO would still have Rose in High A at age 82.
Those guys are just making a mockery of AAA. Are there any guys in AAA more ready to be called up than those three? Hell, live with their learning curves defensively. How much time did Tyler Stephenson or Spencer Steer spend in the minors playing 1B before they got put there?
Other than the Rangers series with a sweep, this is the only unexpected series of the year the Reds have won. Got lucky Scherzer missed his Tuesday start, Lindor & Marte batting under .230. They win the Opening Series at home to Pittsburgh which you should, then get swept in 4 by them. Won the series against the garbage A's team on the road. Every other series has been a loss. This team isn't built to win this year, unlikely next year and hope they can contend in 2025. Opener strategy is not sustainable. The schedule is only going to get tougher with the Yankees this month, a series vs the Cubs at Wrigley and the Red Sox at Fenway to close out the month. Meanwhile FO should be embarrassed keeping down EDLC, CES, Hopkins, Abbott & McLain.
Im not talking about making trades for half year rentals at the trade deadline. I’m talking about working with what they have or if they do trade, it’s for somebody experienced that they can control for a couple of years, like a decent starter. It would just be interesting to see if they could just experiment with lineups that include the big 3 and Abbott and see if they can contend in a weak division. The big 3 all seem to have that power that’s lacking in the current lineup.
Didn't say you were. I know what you're talking about and wasn't suggesting you said make a trade when Cincinnati has help in the form of the Big 3 already within the organization. Just added what I heard an analyst say on how wide open it is right now for all teams to your point about the Reds being in contention and that's what the analyst had to say about the field being so open as of today. The league would be less willing to move parts making it hard across MLB to grab a spot with everyone thinking they are contenders right now. Relevant information how volatile the trade market will be or not that would effect the Reds positioning with more mid-level/bottom feeders thinking they have a 'shot' at the postseason with more teams in the picture. Too much baseball to be played between now and the deadline.
If you want me to be straight with you about my thoughts on their playoff chances, this team doesn't stand a snowballs chance in hell regardless who they call up. Like you said in another post, what if the prospects only perform at 80% of what they're producing in Louisville? Maybe they don't even achieve that much in year 1. All you can hope for in 2023 are for the prospects to make it to Cincinnati, get a reasonable amount of experience at the MLB level and go into 2024 building on that. If so, then I'm not going to complain as long as they get here soon enough. This isn't the most innovative/risk taking organization in terms of experimenting or thinking outside of the box. Otherwise you would have seen more of the infielders already transitioning to the outfield in the minors, the natural place to develop if that's what you're talking about by experimenting with different lineups. Seem to think only Senzel/Barrero can do it. I would love to see the Reds experiment with the lineups, fat chance of that happening with this FO at the MLB Level based on past history attempting it.
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Reds will have to at some point move some of the infielders in the pipeline. Unless they want to transition to pitcher lol, not even enough outfield spots to keep everyone in Cincinnati and the prospects within the MILB organization. They for sure don't need to trade for some rental they can't afford to keep then be out the star plus the prospects too. Will be forced to trade off one of our own guys to replenish the farm system and the vicious cycle of continuing to rebuild the pipeline never ends. Need a young pitcher and a slugger in the outfield with team control. No more aging All-Stars past their prime. Better use of the money by signing the current players to contract extensions to keep what you have.
Marlins get a cheap unearned run on a bad error by Steer on a routine grounder and then Fraley overthrows the cutoff man on a double. Sad.
Good to see Fraley rebound with the home run and not injured. Helluva tag by Ashcraft but thought he was out IMO. Myers though smh a veteran making bonehead mistake, piss poor offensively.