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You really don’t know baseball. Your last sentence is the dumbest thing I’ve seen in a very long time. He is in the midst of a rookie slump at the plate which everyone goes through though it’s not nearly as bad as you make it seem. His fielding has been outstanding. He is able to make plays and throws that others simply can’t. I can think of only one or two plays where he MAY have been able to do better. You have proven you are a troll with your last sentence.
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Bells boneheaded lineup decisions and misuse of the bullpen (and the decisions of the front office to not go after players at the trade deadline) are showing themselves lately but especially in this 7 run 8th inning the Cubs are having.
Yep. EDLC is the issue with the way the Reds are playing. You nailed it. You really shouldn’t be this stupid. I feel sorry for your family.
Just don’t know how the Reds are going to have enough pitching to make it to the playoffs. Ashcraft, Williamson, and Greene all out for a bit.
22 games left. How many do the Reds need to win to get at least a wildcard?
I’m guessing 14. Bats better stay hot.
I’m guessing 14. Bats better stay hot.
At least 14-16, maybe even more this year. Both of the last place Wild Card Teams last year, Tampa Bay had 86 wins, Phillies 87. Reds currently at 72.
Honest to God I have no idea how the Reds are even within five games of the last Wild Card slot. Open casting call for starting pitchers in the first week of September isn't exactly a common criteria for contenders. Multiple callups for starters from AA, Independent Leaguers, one day callups from AAA Louisville (too many to even mention) and they're everyday lineup has resembled a MASH unit for going on three weeks now. They could conceivably get into the playoffs with two people posting double digit wins and that's IF Ashcraft comes back--and one of those is a late inning reliever in Gibaut.
By all rights they really should be more likely to finish below .500 as make the Wild Card.
By all rights they really should be more likely to finish below .500 as make the Wild Card.
Marte was huge tonight as well 3-3, 1st career home run. CES 3 hits, 2 RBIs and 2 hits from EDLC. Stephenson with a hit while PH for Maile. He has been hot at the plate since I blasted him, past 15 games hitting .389, 3 HR & 9 RBIs. The Stephenson we all want and need him to be in the lineup. Ashcraft & McLain going to still be out for a bit though hoping to see Greene, Lively & Williamson off the COVID IL soon. Get through tomorrow, have the Cardinals at home and road trip at the Tigers & Mets to hopefully get this team healthy while playing some teams struggling before the Twins series.
They will be lucky if 86 wins is all it takes to secure the 3rd Wild Card Spot. Cubs & Phillies aren't slowing down ahead of them in the 1st 2 spots.
Glad the Reds have a tiebreaker on Arizona & Chicago. The final spot could easily go down to a one off tiebreaker game 163 with the tight race with Miami, Arizona & San Francisco. Cubs within 1.5 games of the Brewers and could see them taking over the NL Central. As far as I'm concerned, it's a 4-way fight for the 3rd spot. Cubs & Phillies in a much better spot with the 1st 2 Wild Card spots.
It's not an ideal spot but better than being out of the race and currently in it. That's why I say they are better off getting as close to the 90 win mark as possible. Just skating in won't give me much confidence and there will be some returning players like India, McLain & Ashcraft playing catchup whenever they do return. Less concerned about the players out on COVID with less time out of action. Hell, sounds like Hunter Greene is going Sunday.
I don't think there is any 'magic number' of games the Reds have to win to be safe with 4 teams basically fighting it out for 1 spot. There is little room for error at this point and every game counts. Whatever the path is, will be a hard fought one to the finish.
Obviously I’d like to see the Reds get to 90 wins, but when i originally posted with 22 games to go that would’ve meant they needed to go 18-4 (.818 win %) just didn’t see that being realistic. 16-6 was probably the absolute best with their current pitching situation!
Good chance they still end up short due to all of the adversity they have to deal with the banged up starting rotation and the inconsistent offense as well. India will be playing catch up once he returns, haven't even heard McLain resuming baseball activities yet. It's hit or miss day to day what you get from the rest of the lineup. I would like their chances obviously better with 16 more wins for 89 on the season though the offense concerns me quite a bit on top of the fatigued bullpen and makeshift starting rotation with multiple minor league journeyman, AA pitchers etc. The schedule presents a path to make but still have to go out there and win those games.
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14-16 win range would put them at a good pace compared with the other 3 teams who are in a similar spot record wise for issues of their own while battling out for the last Wild Card spot assuming Chicago & Philadelphia aren't going to slow down. Will need some luck with the rest of those teams losing down the stretch. Marlins lost their reigning Cy Young Award winner Alcantara even though he was struggling this year. Marlins, Giants & D'Backs all have a brutal schedule compared to the Reds to finish 2023.
At least Hunter Greene will be back and need him to pitch like he did vs San Francisco. One would assume that also means Lively & Williamson are returning soon. The ones to worry about getting healthy in time are Ashcraft and need Matt McLain in the lineup. Stephenson, Marte & CES have been better at the plate recently and getting India & McLain back would be a huge boost for the depth of this team.
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They no doubt have a path but would much prefer to see the Reds control their own fate by winning some games and the rest take care of itself than hope to see the other teams have to lose in order to reach the postseason. As much as everyone is concerned about the pitching and rightly so, I am optimistic about the Reds starters if they can manage to get Greene, Williamson, Lively & Ashcraft back in the fold with Hunter going on Sunday. Still the offense leaving much to be desired though.
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Who wouldn't prefer them win out? That is obviously what everyone wants but not going to happen. Nothing about this team since mid-July suggests any kind of run can be sustained. The more the season drags on, injuries have mounted up and you can't speed up the development of the rookies.
In the end, whether they make it or not, We fans have to have the takeaway that brighter days are ahead and while there's still work to be done, they are a lot further along than we'd thought they would be at this point. We can still wring our hands over the Castellini's Ownership and the way they alienated fans the past few seasons, but I guess we can finally say they've at least put some people in place like Nick Krall who has made a lot of great moves and drafted well to get the farm system built up to where they will have the ability to compete for a while.
We'll see, they still haven't won anything yet, not even a postseason game since Bell got here in 2019 (1995 the last round won to be exact) before crowning any achievements and erect a statue for anyone in this front office. Work still to be done. Drafting well is great, lets see how they develop and if anything materializes from it. Reds will have to be able to prove to retain their players, sign the correct ones to contract extensions and no more Homer Bailey & Mike Moustakas type deals that set this organization back 5-10 years. Krall could have picked up a reliever like Jacob Webb or Mike Clevinger even after standing put at the deadline. Would not have cost them any prospects. He sent so many mixed signals saying we're buyers then the market was too volatile. Bell's ******** lineups and misusage of the bullpen aren't exactly bright spots that have me feeling so optimistic even with 'brighter days' ahead, those elements will still hang over this team for at least the next 3 years with Bell.
Don't kid yourselves. I think we all know how this is going to end up in a few years if they don't win in the next couple of years, they won't be able to afford everyone and yet another inevitable fire sale. Might be able to keep a couple of guys but then will be right back to rebuilding with the growing pains of more rookies. Rinse and repeat. Krall did well maximizing talent for trading off the guys Cincinnati could not retain but they don't hang banners to top rated farm systems. It's not a matter of the past few seasons as you put it the Castellini ownership that has alienated fans, it's been going on since they took over after the 2005 season. Time to win at the next level, nothing less should be accepted around here.
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Didn't say they had to win out, you know what I mean. In order to go to the postseason this year, it will have to be next man up the rest of the way and take advantage of one of the best remaining schedules in all of MLB. The Reds are in a good spot 0.5 behind and can make up ground beating teams worse off than they are.
This is exactly what I mean, no matter how good the Reds can be going forward you still have dumbass decisions like this in the lineup and a FO who still panders to likes of Nick Senzel in a tight race to the postseason. Why should we all of a sudden think that this is going to change with a new calendar year in 2024? With these kind of decisions looming over the team and no telling if the Reds for sure part ways with guys like Senzel or not, these lefty righty splits over playing your best players will cost this team not to mention the over usage of the bullpen.
People buy into the tripe uttered by Sadak that "Senzel crushes LHP." Actually over the last 2 months or so Senzel's lost something like 150 points off his BA vs LHP. That coupled with his .160 BA vs RHP has left the guy virtually useless. Who knows, may go 4 for 4 today but he needs to be DFAed when Votto, India, Newman return.
LOL my God, look at that lineup. You're a half game out of a playoff spot and you sit Friedl, Fraley and Benson. It is absolutely indefensible. I am so pissed the Reds extended this loser, I seriously despise David Bell. Hes a POS.
TJ Friedl is now hitting .316 vs lefties on the year. THREE SIXTEEN. And our dipshit loser manager is sitting him for Stuart Fairchild vs a rookie lefty with a 7.5 era.
I refuse to watch or even follow this one. Good thing its a Friday night and I have better things to do on this beautiful day.
I think the only thing that will prevent the Reds from winning with this core to build around will be themselves (management). That is the scary part. An outfield without Fraley, Friedl or Benson. Who in the hell is Drew Rom? 7.24 ERA and Bell is running scared benching his best outfielders LH hitters as if Randy Johnson is out there on the mound tonight. A day off yesterday too, unbelievable. Basically telling Abbott to go out and win this game on his own tonight.
St. Louis spanking the Reds early 6-0. Glad this one is on Apple TV+ so I am not missing anything.
Senzel back in there in LF batting 5th, Friedl playing RF and batting last. No Benson or Fraley.
