Just as I thought.........
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Regarding SEC Bowl topic yesterday....
- Thread starter RebelShark
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I'll bet Memphis has something to do with this, trying to give the Big East a little bit more interest in the city.
I think it's funny though that the LB has fallen down the SEC pecking order though. Originally when it signed on with the SEC, it shared I believe the 6th/7th pick with the Music City, with the Indy Bowl and PapaJohns.com being 8 and 9 in that order. Now that the Indy Bowl is gone in favor of the Gator Bowl, the Music City is the 7th pick all by itself and the Liberty shares the 8th/9th pick. They've essentially dropped 2 spots in the SEC pecking order, and the sad thing is, CUSA's champion still probably won't beat the 8th/9th best team in the SEC.
I think it's funny though that the LB has fallen down the SEC pecking order though. Originally when it signed on with the SEC, it shared I believe the 6th/7th pick with the Music City, with the Indy Bowl and PapaJohns.com being 8 and 9 in that order. Now that the Indy Bowl is gone in favor of the Gator Bowl, the Music City is the 7th pick all by itself and the Liberty shares the 8th/9th pick. They've essentially dropped 2 spots in the SEC pecking order, and the sad thing is, CUSA's champion still probably won't beat the 8th/9th best team in the SEC.
I was more thinking about the fact that CUSA's champion is 0-4 in the Liberty Bowl since they've gone to the match up with the 6th/7th best SEC team. I wonder if they could take the 8th/9th best SEC team. I guess we'll find out this year.
We've been through losses to CUSA before, so I can't say much in that regard. I just find it sad for them that their champion would be no more than middle of the pack in the SEC, at best.
I also think Houston last year may have really been a better team than East Carolina. They just choked in a couple games keeping them from winning the league.
We've been through losses to CUSA before, so I can't say much in that regard. I just find it sad for them that their champion would be no more than middle of the pack in the SEC, at best.
I also think Houston last year may have really been a better team than East Carolina. They just choked in a couple games keeping them from winning the league.
Everyone knows that. That's how upsets happen. No I don't think East Carolina was a better football team than Houston. They had a better day that day, but I don't think they were a better football team.
Sometimes the better team loses. Do you not agree?
If every team played each other 10 times, very few of those would end with one team winning all 10 times. On a given day, the better team will not always win.
ETA: If you want a non-homer example from me, we were not a better team than Florida in 2008. They were by far the best team in the country in my opinion, but they didn't go undefeated. They lost to us on their home field. Do you think we were the better team? We weren't, but we were good enough on that one day to upset them. They'd probably beat us 8 or 9 times out of 10 that year, but we won on the day we actually played.
ETA: I'll let Herb Brooks/Kurt Russell/Disney from "Miracle" explain it to you.
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Sometimes the better team loses. Do you not agree?
If every team played each other 10 times, very few of those would end with one team winning all 10 times. On a given day, the better team will not always win.
ETA: If you want a non-homer example from me, we were not a better team than Florida in 2008. They were by far the best team in the country in my opinion, but they didn't go undefeated. They lost to us on their home field. Do you think we were the better team? We weren't, but we were good enough on that one day to upset them. They'd probably beat us 8 or 9 times out of 10 that year, but we won on the day we actually played.
ETA: I'll let Herb Brooks/Kurt Russell/Disney from "Miracle" explain it to you.
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chill out dude. he obviously wasn't taking any shots. he's just commenting. I happen to agree with him too. 0-4 in the LB is pitiful considering it's #1 vs #6/7/8.
FWIW, I think we would have drilled ECU in that game too. their "winning with defense" strategy would've played right into our hands. Hell, I don't know if there was a team in the SEC ECU was actually better than last year.
FWIW, I think we would have drilled ECU in that game too. their "winning with defense" strategy would've played right into our hands. Hell, I don't know if there was a team in the SEC ECU was actually better than last year.
better than ECU. They had the same record in conference until ECU beat them head to head. I don't see how you can win your argument. The evidence is overwhelmingly against you.
Plus, Houston lost by 27 to Air Force to end the year. End of story.
Ole Miss-State was just a jab at you. I think y'all were better than us but I don't think the gap is as large as you might think.
Plus, Houston lost by 27 to Air Force to end the year. End of story.
Ole Miss-State was just a jab at you. I think y'all were better than us but I don't think the gap is as large as you might think.
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remember how they smoked Arkansas and Tennessee. Arkansas dealt with us, and likewise we did to Ole Miss. I think they were a game or so better than us. Trade Georgia Tech for a pansy, and Florida for Tennessee and there you have it. But we may not have beaten Tennessee.
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We should have beat them, and they should have beat you.
Thorough defeats like Arkansas, Tennessee will better help your argument.
Thorough defeats like Arkansas, Tennessee will better help your argument.
they should have beaten us after we had 2 touchdowns called back, a fg blocked and returned for a td, they completed a td bomb, then got the onside, then got a 4th and 29, all to give them a chance to almost beat us. I will concede that MSU should have beaten LSU but in no way shape or form did LSU outplay us or deserve to win that game.
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they just beat themselves. If they hadn't done this, that, or this, then they'd win the title every year. Come on, man, try and keep up. When another team makes a play, they just got lucky. When Ole Miss makes a play, well, that's just how it's supposed to be.
Where in that post did I say any of that? I simply said we outplayed LSU that day and the game shouldn't have been that close. Look at the total yards. Hell look at any stat from that game. There isn't any spin about that. South Carolina outplayed us. Alabama kicked our ***. Auburn kicked our ***. MSU kicked our ***. It isn't difficult for me to call a spade a spade. That being said, no, LSU shouldn't have beat us and were actually lucky for it to be close.
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is that Nutt outcoached Miles. But that's not really that hard to do. 999 out of 1000 coaches don't spike the ball to end the game when they're behind. Let's be honest here.
I'm not saying that whatever play LSU would have called would have won them the game. But whatever play they would have called would have given them a better chance of winning than spiking it.
We ran for 195 yards against LSU, they ran for 40 against us. We threw for 233 against them, they threw for 250 against us (with 80+ coming in the last 3 minutes). All I'm saying is we outplayed them the entire game and it took alot of fluke plays for them to even have a chance. Goat trying to insinuate that LSU outplayed us or should have beaten us is nonsense. Auburn, Alabama and MSU kicked our *** and SC deserved to beat us. But in all honesty we should have beaten LSU by 14+.
I just felt like they had more potential to play well and give teams trouble than ECU. I didn't watch a ton of CUSA football though, so I could be wrong. In the CUSA title game, ECU beat Houston in large part because Houston was careless with the ball, and ECU still only won by 6. Turnovers are a part of the game, but I don't think you could draw a clear line to say ECU was definitely better than Houston. Again, play that game 10 times, and my opinion is that Houston would probably win it more than ECU, but it would be close.
Still, the argument was that the best team doesn't always win. I completely avoided your comment about the Egg Bowl, because I knew what it would lead to, but I see obviously not everyone else had the same restraint.
It was clear your team was more ready to play and wanted that game more on that given day. I'll leave it at that, because I don't think that fact can be argued.
This thread has gone way off the subject though. The original topic was the Liberty Bowl, and as I was originally stating, I am anxious to see if the CUSA champ will have more luck with the 8th/9th best SEC team than they had with the 6th/7th best SEC team.
ETA: On LSU, we were clearly better than them in that game last year. We were not lucky to win that game, and I feel like it was because we were simply the better team. I said prior to the final stretch of games on our schedule last year that in order I was most concerned about MSU, UT, and LSU in that order. I felt like LSU didn't match up well with us, and I felt like we wouldn't have a whole lot of trouble with them, and I felt like with the emotion your team would have and the match up the Egg Bowl would be our toughest game. Maybe Ronny can find my posts on that subject. As has been stated many times, LSU was lucky to even be in that game with us. LSU was lucky to beat you as well. You outplayed them significantly and lost on some fluke plays. We outplayed them significantly, and they very nearly had enough voodoo magic to get by us too. If you played Ole Miss-LSU last year 10 times, I think we probably would've won 7 of them, maybe even 8. I thought they were one of the luckiest teams in the country last year. I was not impressed with them, and it showed in the fact that they had a load of breaks in the game with us, and we still came out on top.
Still, the argument was that the best team doesn't always win. I completely avoided your comment about the Egg Bowl, because I knew what it would lead to, but I see obviously not everyone else had the same restraint.
It was clear your team was more ready to play and wanted that game more on that given day. I'll leave it at that, because I don't think that fact can be argued.
This thread has gone way off the subject though. The original topic was the Liberty Bowl, and as I was originally stating, I am anxious to see if the CUSA champ will have more luck with the 8th/9th best SEC team than they had with the 6th/7th best SEC team.
ETA: On LSU, we were clearly better than them in that game last year. We were not lucky to win that game, and I feel like it was because we were simply the better team. I said prior to the final stretch of games on our schedule last year that in order I was most concerned about MSU, UT, and LSU in that order. I felt like LSU didn't match up well with us, and I felt like we wouldn't have a whole lot of trouble with them, and I felt like with the emotion your team would have and the match up the Egg Bowl would be our toughest game. Maybe Ronny can find my posts on that subject. As has been stated many times, LSU was lucky to even be in that game with us. LSU was lucky to beat you as well. You outplayed them significantly and lost on some fluke plays. We outplayed them significantly, and they very nearly had enough voodoo magic to get by us too. If you played Ole Miss-LSU last year 10 times, I think we probably would've won 7 of them, maybe even 8. I thought they were one of the luckiest teams in the country last year. I was not impressed with them, and it showed in the fact that they had a load of breaks in the game with us, and we still came out on top.