Rep. Nunes Is a Lapdog in a Watchdog Role

moe

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Representative Devin Nunes looked uneasy. Mr. Nunes, the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, was struggling on Monday to elicit details from James Comey, the F.B.I. director, about his explosive revelation that the bureau is investigating whether Russia and the Trump administration colluded to sabotage Hillary Clinton’s presidential candidacy. That disclosure, Mr. Nunes said, had put “a big, gray cloud” over the White House.

On Wednesday, Mr. Nunes tried to replace that cloud with a smoke screen. In a possible violation of the law, Mr. Nunes described intelligence reports that he said had suggested that American intelligence agencies incidentally intercepted communications of then President-elect Trump and people close to him, and then disseminated the information widely throughout the intelligence community. His disclosures, which have destroyed the credibility of his committee in investigating Russian interference in the election, make clear that he is unfit for the job and should be replaced.

Mr. Nunes’s remarks, which appeared to be deliberately vague, gave President Trump cover for his baseless claim that President
Barack Obama had illegally wiretapped his phones. After making his disclosures during a news conference on Wednesday, Mr. Nunes went to the White House to brief the president. In a startling break with tradition, Mr. Nunes, a Republican, briefed reporters before sharing his findings with fellow members of the committee, who are from both parties. Mr. Trump portrayed the congressman’s assertions as a vindication of his widely discredited accusation. “I very much appreciated the fact that they found what they found,” Mr. Trump said.

Mr. Nunes, who served on Mr. Trump’s transition team, was never a suitable choice to lead a congressional investigation into the role the Russian government played in last year’s election. He is clearly more interested in having his committee examine the manner in which American intelligence agencies collected information about the Trump campaign than in determining what that information shows
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Mr. Nunes unspooled his information on Wednesday over the course of two news conferences that had a strikingly improvisational air. At one point, he said he was referring to material that “appears to be all legally collected foreign intelligence.” Soon afterward, he proclaimed himself to be “actually alarmed by it.” It was hard to understand exactly what Mr. Nunes was alleging, perhaps because he didn’t have any truly alarming revelation to share.

Mr. Nunes’s remarks left the impression that American intelligence personnel may have been careless in redacting identifying information of American citizens whose communications were intercepted as part of the lawful monitoring of foreigners. He did not, however, claim that intelligence personnel broke rules.

By speaking expansively about intelligence gathering, Mr. Nunes may have broken the law by disclosing classified information, however obliquely. The congressman, who has assailed leaks to the press, said his information came from unnamed “sources who thought that we should know it.” That’s rich.

On Wednesday night, Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona, said the recent developments make it necessary to appoint a select committee or independent commission to run an inquiry. “No longer does the Congress have credibility to handle this alone,” Mr. McCain said in an interview on MSNBC. “And I don’t say that lightly.”

Mr. McCain is right. It was predictable that standard congressional committee investigations into the role of Russia and the election would turn into muddled partisan fights. But Mr. Nunes’s conduct stands out for his brazenness and heedlessness. His role as a committee chairman is to carry out responsible oversight of intelligence matters. Instead, he used his position to distract attention from the crucial question of whether Mr. Trump’s election was aided by collusion with an adversary.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/23/...-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region&_r=0
 

PriddyBoy

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If Nunes has you upset, you must be absolutely livid about the political espionage carried out by the last administration. Understandable, hang in there, we'll all get through this together and be the better for it.
 

dave

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Representative Devin Nunes looked uneasy. Mr. Nunes, the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, was struggling on Monday to elicit details from James Comey, the F.B.I. director, about his explosive revelation that the bureau is investigating whether Russia and the Trump administration colluded to sabotage Hillary Clinton’s presidential candidacy. That disclosure, Mr. Nunes said, had put “a big, gray cloud” over the White House.

On Wednesday, Mr. Nunes tried to replace that cloud with a smoke screen. In a possible violation of the law, Mr. Nunes described intelligence reports that he said had suggested that American intelligence agencies incidentally intercepted communications of then President-elect Trump and people close to him, and then disseminated the information widely throughout the intelligence community. His disclosures, which have destroyed the credibility of his committee in investigating Russian interference in the election, make clear that he is unfit for the job and should be replaced.

Mr. Nunes’s remarks, which appeared to be deliberately vague, gave President Trump cover for his baseless claim that President
Barack Obama had illegally wiretapped his phones. After making his disclosures during a news conference on Wednesday, Mr. Nunes went to the White House to brief the president. In a startling break with tradition, Mr. Nunes, a Republican, briefed reporters before sharing his findings with fellow members of the committee, who are from both parties. Mr. Trump portrayed the congressman’s assertions as a vindication of his widely discredited accusation. “I very much appreciated the fact that they found what they found,” Mr. Trump said.

Mr. Nunes, who served on Mr. Trump’s transition team, was never a suitable choice to lead a congressional investigation into the role the Russian government played in last year’s election. He is clearly more interested in having his committee examine the manner in which American intelligence agencies collected information about the Trump campaign than in determining what that information shows
.

Mr. Nunes unspooled his information on Wednesday over the course of two news conferences that had a strikingly improvisational air. At one point, he said he was referring to material that “appears to be all legally collected foreign intelligence.” Soon afterward, he proclaimed himself to be “actually alarmed by it.” It was hard to understand exactly what Mr. Nunes was alleging, perhaps because he didn’t have any truly alarming revelation to share.

Mr. Nunes’s remarks left the impression that American intelligence personnel may have been careless in redacting identifying information of American citizens whose communications were intercepted as part of the lawful monitoring of foreigners. He did not, however, claim that intelligence personnel broke rules.

By speaking expansively about intelligence gathering, Mr. Nunes may have broken the law by disclosing classified information, however obliquely. The congressman, who has assailed leaks to the press, said his information came from unnamed “sources who thought that we should know it.” That’s rich.

On Wednesday night, Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona, said the recent developments make it necessary to appoint a select committee or independent commission to run an inquiry. “No longer does the Congress have credibility to handle this alone,” Mr. McCain said in an interview on MSNBC. “And I don’t say that lightly.”

Mr. McCain is right. It was predictable that standard congressional committee investigations into the role of Russia and the election would turn into muddled partisan fights. But Mr. Nunes’s conduct stands out for his brazenness and heedlessness. His role as a committee chairman is to carry out responsible oversight of intelligence matters. Instead, he used his position to distract attention from the crucial question of whether Mr. Trump’s election was aided by collusion with an adversary.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/23/...-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region&_r=0
He is blowing up the dems narrative so they attack him.
 

WVUCOOPER

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Actually he's helping anyone wanting an independent commission.
I honestly don't understand this. Independent commission for what? Collusion, leaks, etc is being investigated by the FBI - why would we need somebody else to do the same thing? Now if the intel committee started an independent commission to combat Russia's obvious ramping up of their propaganda, then I am all for it. That's what the intel committee should be focused on. Let the FBI do its job.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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I honestly don't understand this. Independent commission for what? Collusion, leaks, etc is being investigated by the FBI - why would we need somebody else to do the same thing? Now if the intel committee started an independent commission to combat Russia's obvious ramping up of their propaganda, then I am all for it. That's what the intel committee should be focused on. Let the FBI do its job.
You understand it. It's not hard. They want a probing commission like the Benghazi committee that they can dig and probe into everything to see if they can find something, anything, that will mire the administration down in nonsense and reduce it's effectiveness.

People point to McCain and Graham when they always say a "growing number of Republicans". Well no ****, not like they have an ax to grind or anything. :rolleyes: To that point though, if I was McCain, I'd be against his *** after what he said as well.
 

Best Virginia

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If Nunes has you upset, you must be absolutely livid about the political espionage carried out by the last administration. Understandable, hang in there, we'll all get through this together and be the better for it.
Why are you always more concerned about the people who share information, than the actual information? Do you really care more about "moe" than your own government? Or could it be that you have no defense for your blind worship so you pull a "Donnie" out your *** hoping the stink runs everyone off?[poop]
 

WVPATX

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If Nunes has you upset, you must be absolutely livid about the political espionage carried out by the last administration. Understandable, hang in there, we'll all get through this together and be the better for it.

We have one administration potentially spying on their opponents using "legal" means to do so, they disseminating and unmasking innocent individuals across multiple agencies, including the Administration itself (not legal). Yet, this guy is concerned because Nunes telling Trump (this did not involve Russia) before he told the told the minority head of the Intelligence Committee.

As stated, Nunes only briefed his Dem counterpart. He is keeping his documents secret to test the NSA and the FBI when they are called to testify to see if they are being honest. In other words, this Whistle Blower gave him documents and he will see if the intel agencies provide complete information to the Intelligence Committee when he compares the lead documents to their testimony.
 

Best Virginia

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We have one administration potentially spying on their opponents using "legal" means to do so, they disseminating and unmasking innocent individuals across multiple agencies, including the Administration itself (not legal). Yet, this guy is concerned because Nunes telling Trump (this did not involve Russia) before he told the told the minority head of the Intelligence Committee.

As stated, Nunes only briefed his Dem counterpart. He is keeping his documents secret to test the NSA and the FBI when they are called to testify to see if they are being honest. In other words, this Whistle Blower gave him documents and he will see if the intel agencies provide complete information to the Intelligence Committee when he compares the lead documents to their testimony.
Spying on "opponents"? That's a big fat LIE. Donnie just happens to be so tight with shady Russians that he exposes himself by association. That's why it's all LEGAL. Stop your insane lies.
 

WVPATX

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Spying on "opponents"? That's a big fat LIE. Donnie just happens to be so tight with shady Russians that he exposes himself by association. That's why it's all LEGAL. Stop your insane lies.

We will see what the leaked documents show. I don't think Nunes makes a huge deal out of this without cause. The documents will be used in testimony and at least partially disclosed.

It seems, according to Nunes, that legal surveillance was used as a pretext to listen to Trump Transition Team members, disseminate that information widely to both intel and the Obama administration and then unmask some of those involved. Again, if true, people will go to jail and this will become a huge scandal. How far up it goes is anyone's guess at this point.
 

WVUCOOPER

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We will see what the leaked documents show. I don't think Nunes makes a huge deal out of this without cause. The documents will be used in testimony and at least partially disclosed.

It seems, according to Nunes, that legal surveillance was used as a pretext to listen to Trump Transition Team members, disseminate that information widely to both intel and the Obama administration and then unmask some of those involved. Again, if true, people will go to jail and this will become a huge scandal. How far up it goes is anyone's guess at this point.
lol
 

WVPATX

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I'm not sure why you're upset. I'm sure Nunes just went there to discuss grand kids, yoga lessons, and Chelsea's wedding. Not a big deal at all.

I read some more reporting this morning, including from James Rosen (the reporter the Obama Administration spied on, including his parents. Obama claimed he was a criminal co-conspirator because he received leaked information as a reporter).

Rosen reports the NSA will reveal today a "smoking gun" on legal surveillance used fallaciously to actually listen to Trump Transition Team members and then disseminate that information to other intel agencies and to the Administration (White House and possibly DOJ). Some Trump Transition Team members, including possibly Trump himself, were caught up in this surveillance.

Needless to say, this is illegal (dissemination and unmasking) and Watergate like in the spying. If Rosen is right and the NSA blows the whistle, this is simply huge.

BTW, Nunes summarized the Whistle Blower information to the ranking member of the Dems on the Intelligence Committee, Schiff, but he kept the actual documents. My guess is that he wants to compare those documents to future NSA/FBI testimony.

This appears to be getting very, very interesting. Maybe nothing at all, but fun anyway.
 

Best Virginia

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I read some more reporting this morning, including from James Rosen (the reporter the Obama Administration spied on, including his parents. Obama claimed he was a criminal co-conspirator because he received leaked information as a reporter).

Rosen reports the NSA will reveal today a "smoking gun" on legal surveillance used fallaciously to actually listen to Trump Transition Team members and then disseminate that information to other intel agencies and to the Administration (White House and possibly DOJ). Some Trump Transition Team members, including possibly Trump himself, were caught up in this surveillance.

Needless to say, this is illegal (dissemination and unmasking) and Watergate like in the spying. If Rosen is right and the NSA blows the whistle, this is simply huge.

BTW, Nunes summarized the Whistle Blower information to the ranking member of the Dems on the Intelligence Committee, Schiff, but he kept the actual documents. My guess is that he wants to compare those documents to future NSA/FBI testimony.

This appears to be getting very, very interesting. Maybe nothing at all, but fun anyway.
If you care about "spying on opponents", then you should care about this (but I'm guessing you don't):

The Republican National Committee (RNC) tried to conceal payments it made during the 2016 election to a shadowy intelligence-gathering firm for opposition research against Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton. Politico reported on Friday that the RNC paid $41,500 to the Hamilton Trading Group, a Virginia-based private company run by former CIA operatives. The agency worked with a former Russian spy to hunt for information that would show conflicts of interest between Clinton’s role as Secretary of State and her interests as a private citizen and leader of the Clinton Foundation.

Observers in politics and intelligence noted that it would be odd for the RNC to make payments to Hamilton Trading given that the group specializes in matters pertaining to Russia.

“Adding to the intrigue are the firm’s intelligence connections in Russia, where it was known to perform background checks and provide security services for American officials and companies,” said Politico.


The job was handed to former KGB agent Gennady Vasilenko, who declined to comment on the matter.
 

WVPATX

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If you care about "spying on opponents", then you should care about this (but I'm guessing you don't):

The Republican National Committee (RNC) tried to conceal payments it made during the 2016 election to a shadowy intelligence-gathering firm for opposition research against Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton. Politico reported on Friday that the RNC paid $41,500 to the Hamilton Trading Group, a Virginia-based private company run by former CIA operatives. The agency worked with a former Russian spy to hunt for information that would show conflicts of interest between Clinton’s role as Secretary of State and her interests as a private citizen and leader of the Clinton Foundation.

Observers in politics and intelligence noted that it would be odd for the RNC to make payments to Hamilton Trading given that the group specializes in matters pertaining to Russia.

“Adding to the intrigue are the firm’s intelligence connections in Russia, where it was known to perform background checks and provide security services for American officials and companies,” said Politico.


The job was handed to former KGB agent Gennady Vasilenko, who declined to comment on the matter.

This kind of stuff happens all the time:

At the time of the October agreement, FBI officials probing Russian activities, including possible contacts between Trump associates and Russian entities, were aware of the information that Steele had been gathering while working for a Washington research firm hired by supporters of Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton, according to the people familiar with the agreement. The firm was due to stop paying Steele as Election Day approached, but Steele felt his work was not done, these people said.
 

Best Virginia

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So you're saying using former Russian KGB to spy on our election is okay, but using government resources to spy on shady Russians is a no no... because Trump wants their business, and might get caught in the middle. Do you realize what you are supporting here?
 

WVPATX

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So you're saying using former Russian KGB to spy on our election is okay, but using government resources to spy on shady Russians is a no no... because Trump wants their business, and might get caught in the middle. Do you realize what you are supporting here?

No I am saying that both parties engage in opposition research and it is hypocritical of you to claim otherwise. Clinton campaign engaged with Steele to try and collect damaging information on Trump in the dossier he put together which has been thoroughly debunked.