Rewatched the RU-MSU Game - Random Thoughts

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I posted this on the Round Table yesterday, thought I would post it here today:

Here are some random thoughts after rewatching the MSU game from DVR - not as long as many of my posts:

1) On MSU's 1st drive of the 2nd half, on 2nd and 9 or 10 yards to go, on the 1st set of downs after the kick-off, on the play where Cook completed a 25-yard pass, Turay really beat the OT, and was CLEARLY held, as the OT grabbed the FRONT of Turay's jersey (you could clearly see the jersey pulled, and Turay being pulled back), taking away from Turay at least 1, if not 2 steps, as he rushed Cook ... Cook barely escaped Turay on that play, and used that time to complete that big pass.

2) The 1st quarter play right before the MSU TD play was clearly intentional grounding - not simply "being hit while throwing." But the call in the 3rd quarter, on the screen attempt, by rule was clearly NOT intentional grounding (the running back was bumped and partly knocked down, plus the pass was thrown roughly in line with where the running back was on the field, even if well short).

3) The MSU receivers showed spectacular hands, generally. Yes, there were 3 drops, one of which would have been a TD (but instead ended up a blocked FG). But the degree of difficulty on many of the catches was fantastic. That 4th quarter 3rd and 9 pass was not even the most difficult catch, but was a very, very good one ... anyone have any doubt that if RU stopped MSU there that with how RU was moving the ball RU had a really good chance to get at least a decent distance FG attempt to maybe win the game? Give MSu a lot of credit there.

4) While there were several cases of MSU receivers running free, especially in the middle of RU's zone, when RU played zone, still, RU's DB's showed absolutely terrific coverage skills in this game. Hopefully this continues.

5) RU's running games was very inconsistent, only showing consistency late in the 3rd quarter and the 4th quarter.

6) JJ Denamn (sorry to pick him out) had a LOT of issues with MSU's DE's, as he has had all year, and last seaosn also, with rush DE's.

7) RU's interior DT's and LB's were REALLY good, even if it was against a less experienced and somewhat injured MSU OL ... RU has plenty of injuries also.

8) RU's running back are ALL good ... all 3 of them. It is tough sometimes to describe them as consistent because of the rotation system (each takes turns one series at a time, though Hicks also gets almost all the power.short yardage situations), but each produces when the OL gives ANY daylight at all. Each can cut (even though there are 3 different styles), each can accelerate, each can break tackles and each can move the pile (though Martin the least of the 3 in that regard), each runs HARD.

9) RU's TE's are only okay - they are just not athletic enough against better teams. They will still get catches, but that is more the nature of the offensive system. They seem sure-handed (good), but none are great blockers, and none are really that dangerous as receivers. Arcidiacono has got to stop holding - that is 4 or 5 holds on the season, I think.

10) Laviano did well. Period. yes, Caroo made him look better than he likely is. Still, he did well. I do not think he threw more than 1 or 2 bad passes, though his bad handling of the snap (did not really hurt RU in the end) and his bad hand-off exchange/fumbling of the ball on RU's 1st drive of the 2nd half should be considered mistakes. And that fumble/hand-off exchange mistake really hurt.
 

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6) Wilson was in his face big time on one of the plays. The question becomes, who is next on the depth chart and why isn't he getting an opportunity. I think I remember Applefield impressing in camp.
 

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6) Wilson was in his face big time on one of the plays. The question becomes, who is next on the depth chart and why isn't he getting an opportunity. I think I remember Applefield impressing in camp.

I did see that. I am pretty sure that if the coaches thought Applefield could do better, he would play. The gap must be material enough to not even have Applefield play a series or two, the way RU did last year with Denman playing occasionally for Alexander.

But Denman appears to run block pretty well, to his credit.
 

ChasRC69

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I did see that. I am pretty sure that if the coaches thought Applefield could do better, he would play. The gap must be material enough to not even have Applefield play a series or two, the way RU did last year with Denman playing occasionally for Alexander.

But Denman appears to run block pretty well, to his credit.
I watched the game last night and noticed another missed call that could have resulted in a different outcome. During MSU's game-winning drive, they had a third and two from about our 41 yard line. They threw a short pitch to their receiver and he gained 10 yards to give them a 1st down on our 31 with approx. a minute twenty left in the game. When the replay was shown, it clearly showed their tackle holding Lewis with his left arm wrapped around Lewis' back. The runner cut right into the hole where Lewis had been. If that holding had been called, instead of a 1st and 10 at our 31, they should have had a 3rd and 12 at close to midfield. MSU still may have scored a TD but they may have ultimately had to try a field goal. Since one was blocked and the other hit the upright, I would have welcomed that attempt. The other things I gained by rewatching the game was a better appreciation of the game our D-backs played, a better view of how difficult some of the MSU wide-outs' catches were and unfortunately, a confirmation that our weak link on the offensive line is on the right side.
 

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Listening to the 5th quarter show on WCTC with Milewski and Gary Nova as a guest, they said several times it was their impression that B1G refs had a tendency to let the players play, and there were a lot of noncalls for both teams. Looking at the threads on the Michigan State board the day of the game, there seemed to be a lot of complaints about Rutgers holding.
 

76Scarlet

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Thought I saw a few missed holding calls against us on crucial plays (one being one of their TDs).
 

DHajekRC84

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Listening to the 5th quarter show on WCTC with Milewski and Gary Nova as a guest, they said several times it was their impression that B1G refs had a tendency to let the players play, and there were a lot of noncalls for both teams. Looking at the threads on the Michigan State board the day of the game, there seemed to be a lot of complaints about Rutgers holding.

in the thread I started after watching the replay I made the exact same point about that one hold on the long pass play..(except I thought it was Gause but sure it must have been Turray)...my point being interior line holding is one thing not to call, but a blatant hold in a spot like that right in front of the ref..who was right there was a KILLER non-call and has to be made.
 

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there were holds by us on key plays as well. It goes both ways. Good teams find ways to win despite penalties, refs, weather, injuries etc.
 

seels2662

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Yeah I don't know what to do with Denman at this point. Killing us on pass blocking. He needs to figure this one out quickly there are a bunch of teams with talented d-ends coming up on the schedule.
 

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Carroo's first 2 TDs could have been called back for holding. MSU number 8 gets tackled by RU number70 on the first one. Number 92 got held on the second one. The holding went both ways.
 
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Kbee3

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Carroo's first 2 TDs could have been called back for holding. MSU number 8 gets tackled by RU number70 on the first one. Number 92 got held on the second one. The holding went both ways.

Yet we got called for one on Arcidiacono that wiped out a big gain for us. And the noncall on that intentional grounding call was a killer IMO. And it was blatant.How many penalties did MSU have again ?
BTW, If RU fans are gonna be calling for players to be replaced it should start at right tackle and tight end....not quarterback
 

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Also on the first down pass on that last drive along the sideline, the receiver clearly pushed off our DB who did a nice job on coverage. Another no call on MSU.
 

RU206

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But the refs didn't decide the outcome of the game. RU needs to control the things that they have control over. First is time management and the correct use of timeouts. Can't burn timeouts in the 2nd half.
Penalties:
MSU 1-5
RU 3-20.

RU has been averaging over 100 penalty yards a game. Only 3-20 must be a season low. A lot of no calls in this game.
 

AreYouNUTS

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Also on the first down pass on that last drive along the sideline, the receiver clearly pushed off our DB who did a nice job on coverage. Another no call on MSU.

We got away with, IIRC, 2 plays that would have been called PI in the BE/AAC, in the 1st quarter. They let both teams play, period, no need for complaints from either side (but, of course, there will be lol...).