Rick Cleveland at it again

[JxnDawg39211]

http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20100804/COL0504/8040340/Nutt-doing-what-he-must-to-win

His Ole Miss homerism kicked in for this article. He says Nutt did the right thing by bringing in Masoli . Even goes as far to say Mullen would have done the same thing . He also brings up Mandel's SI article , like he is responding directly to it. </p>

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[JxnDawg39211]

http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20100804/COL0504/8040340/Nutt-doing-what-he-must-to-win

His Ole Miss homerism kicked in for this article. He says Nutt did the right thing by bringing in Masoli . Even goes as far to say Mullen would have done the same thing . He also brings up Mandel's SI article , like he is responding directly to it. </p>

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[JxnDawg39211]

http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20100804/COL0504/8040340/Nutt-doing-what-he-must-to-win

His Ole Miss homerism kicked in for this article. He says Nutt did the right thing by bringing in Masoli . Even goes as far to say Mullen would have done the same thing . He also brings up Mandel's SI article , like he is responding directly to it. </p>

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[DawgatAuburn]

There are only three sentences I think are questionable. The 80% number he pulls out of his butt, the one that guarantees Mullen and Fedora would do the same thing, and the one that the majority of the fans would support them.

The 80% would be a bit more legitimate if Rick had bothered to anonymously survey some coaches. Difficult to do? Yes. More meaningful than some number he literally plucked out of the air? Certainly.

Would Mullen and Fedora do the same thing? I guess it's possible. If Relf were to bolt and we had Russell and Favre, then maybe we do pursue it. But to speculate and go so far is GUARANTEEING that they would do it without at least asking them is bush league. Both of those guys are a phone call away for you Rick. And even if all you get is "no comment" that's more powerful than your completely baseless guarantee.

Fan bases - probably the most accurate of the three. Fans will find a way to justify anything. We signed Bowman while he was in jail. Dontae' passed 36 in summer school. Most everyone on here was desperate to sign Cam Newton. Hell, our starting QB this year was suspended last year for a while. You think that was for cutting class? I suspect that a large majority of State fans, like Ole Miss fans, would find a way to make this situation OK. Now if Masoli screws up, the hounds will be unleashed in Oxford, but if he keeps his nose clean he'll play a year and then move on and Nutt and UM will be no worse off for it.

 

[patdog]

I don't think anyone can seriously argue that Nutt did the "right thing." Masoli's off-field baggage is about as bad as anyone's who's ever been allowed to continue to play college football (there are a few worse, but you can count them on your fingers). That said, Nutt was in a huge bind at QB, partly his fault, partly Orgeron's and partly just bad luck. I don't know if 80% of coaches would have done the same in the same situation, but I'm sure a lot of them would. If we were in that same situation, I wouldn't have a problem with us taking him.

 

[RonnyAtmosphere]

..if you are attempting to pass yourself off as an objective journalist, don't end your article by quoting something OMlawdog told you at the barber shop:

Or as one Ole Miss fan put it to me: "Masoli is eligible. He graduated from college in three years. He didn't murder anyone, he didn't rape anyone. Hell, from the SI article we don't know what he's done. He's going to play somewhere. So, yes, I do what Nutt did: Bring him in and give him no wiggle room."

You would think a truly fair & balanced journalist would be somewhat upset that Ole Miss is accepting a football player that has breached several sacred tenets of society.

But since Ole Miss fan told Rick "He didn't rape or murder anybody," to Rick, that's down home sipherin' that makes good sense.

I understand Cleveland is duty-bound to help bailout the sinking ship that is the Clarion-Ledger newspaper, but this is the most pathetic excuse for journalism I have seen.

 

[rightwingreb]

there is one lone paragon of virtue left in this world and that is Mississippi State University. Given the same situation I can't fathom that Father Mullen would've ever recruited someone as soiled as Newton Masoli.

 

[seshomoru]

Rick writes this....

Ole Miss pays Nutt $2.6 million a year to do one thing: win football
games. You can dress that up with graduation rates and "student-athletes
we can be proud of" all you want. Bottom line: He doesn't win, he gets
fired.

And to an extent, I agree. College coaches are paid to win. However, they are actually paid to win, recruit, and represent the University well so that it can make a lot of money and maintain a good image. Nutt has failed at two of these with this Masoli thing. He was stuck with two scholarship quarterbacks who weren't really exciting anybody, and he's put them in a position where they have to defend their image to justify what he's done. This Masoli thing is not doing whatever it takes to win. It's covering his *** for not doing his job properly. He should be blasted for putting them in this situation more so than the actual act of letting Masoli join the team.

In the end, though, there's a reason I listed win first. It overshadows the other things, and if Ole Miss puts together another bowl season, it'll cover up Nutt's other failures.

 

[dawgstudent]

but if your first point doesn't happen - the other two don't matter.

 

[Roy Munson.sixpack]

in the SEC alone Georgia, MSU, UT, Auburn and just about every other school could have "used" this guy. Hell, I think Georgia has no QB older than a RSF on the roster (havent looked it up but i think i remember that and richt is on the hotsite and could damn sure use the guy). Masoli is a MUCH better fit for Auburn and even tubberville didnt make contact with the guy. This is just a few teams in the SEC. I am quite sure there are dozens more that could have "used" the guy but the Right Rev made it happen. How convenient...

Cleveland is full of ****. Also of note...saw that Hornsby got 6 months behind the 10 of diamonds. I lost any respect i had for the rev when he signs a dude that uses a dead girls credit cards. Thats just messed up. The masoli thing really doesnt bother me that bad but after all the **** those self righteous bastards have spewed over the years and the hornsby ****...screw em

 

[seshomoru]

but if your first point doesn't happen - the other two don't matter.

That's what I was trying to get across with my last statement. I'm just saying that should this be going on in Starkville, I would not be happy. Not so much that we we're letting a guy with a record like Masoli's on the team, but because our head coach had us in the position that we were pretty much forced to deal with all the crap because he didn't do his job properly in the first place. I wouldn't be very optimistic looking any farther than this season.

 

[patdog]

He didn't murder anyone, he didn't rape anyone.

Yeah, but he did beat someone up while he robbed them. But I guess that's not a problem.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

You know Tuberville isn't at Auburn any more, right?

 

[RonnyAtmosphere]

If you are really a right wing reb, it must be pissing you off that Huston Nutt is conducting a very liberal social experiment with Masoli.

 

[patdog]

This Masoli thing is not doing whatever it takes to win. It's covering his *** for not doing his job properly. He should be blasted for putting them in this situation more so than the actual act of letting Masoli join the team.

How the hell did Nutt let himself get in a situation with only 2 scholarship QBs, with a total of 23 pass attempts between them?

 

[Center Z]

It will be fun to refer to this article the next time a coach gets fired for sucking, and Cleveland defends said fired coach.

 

[seshomoru]

This Masoli thing is not doing whatever it takes to win. It's covering his *** for not doing his job properly. He should be blasted for putting them in this situation more so than the actual act of letting Masoli join the team.

How the hell did Nutt let himself get in a situation with only 2 scholarship QBs, with a total of 23 pass attempts between them?

You don't really have to pay a website for a list with a bunch of stars on it to figure out that he did a poor job.

 

[Rebbed4herpleasure]

representing the University well and maintaining its good image. He is remembered as a fantastic football coach because he won. Times have changed but one thing remains the same now more than ever. You have to win or you're gone. Signing Masoli might bite us in the *** but I really don't think Nutt had a choice. If we didn't get him and are getting are brains beaten out again by y'all at home, the guys in the skyboxes start talking.

I agree with you about the quarterback situation being his fault. The responsibility of having the players you need to compete fall directly on the head coach and nobody else. It's his fault. Perhaps he fixed it. We won't know for sure until after the season and if Masoli has kept his nose clean.

 

[FlabLoser]

I agree with Rick, and I also think Rick is a hypocrite.

In countless articles, Rick praises character, sportsmanship, and the like. In this article, just win baby is A-OK.

The part I agree with is that Nutt is doing what's in the best interest of his job. Whether or not its in the best interest of Ole Miss remains to be seen.

Wonder if Rick will still uplift the merits of "just win baby" the next time a Mississippi school gets caught paying money to recruits.

 

[dawgstudent]

how do you know that a QB would transfer? To coach34 this topic, this isn't like Stansbury where we it's a problem for Ole Miss where decent players transfer out almost every year. A player like Cotton, so far, is a rare occurrence. Nutt was put in a bind with Cotton transferring.

 

[seshomoru]

representing the University well and maintaining its good image. He is remembered as a fantastic football coach because he won. Times have changed but one thing remains the same now more than ever. You have to win or you're gone. Signing Masoli might bite us in the *** but I really don't think Nutt had a choice. If we didn't get him and are getting are brains beaten out again by y'all at home, the guys in the skyboxes start talking.

I agree with you about the quarterback situation being his fault. The responsibility of having the players you need to compete fall directly on the head coach and nobody else. It's his fault. Perhaps he fixed it. We won't know for sure until after the season and if Masoli has kept his nose clean.

Could you just not comprehend what I was saying?

Win and it covers up his other failures. Miami put up with a ton of crap because Johnson's teams were winning. The Ole Miss fan base is putting up with this because it means you might win more games this season. I'm not debating the decision to let him on the team. I'd have taken him if he wanted to come to MSU. What I'm happy about is that we didn't need him. Could have used him? Yes. Needed him? No. We have a starting quarterback, that while he may not be all world, the majority of our fan base is probably somewhat comfortable with heading into the season. Personally, I trust Mullen to develop a quarterback, which is an odd feeling for an MSU fan to have about his coach. Nutt needed this guy, and is forcing Ole Miss to take an image hit, because he failed at the other aspects of job. He didn't recruit well, he didn't develop a quarterback, and now he's taking a chance on his, and the University's, reputation to make up for that.

 

[seshomoru]

<span style="font-weight: bold;">how do you know that a QB would transfer?</span> To coach34 this topic, this isn't like Stansbury where we it's a problem for Ole Miss where decent players transfer out almost every year. A player like Cotton, so far, is a rare occurrence. Nutt was put in a bind with Cotton transferring.

You obviously don't, but you can do things to prevent it. See: Stansbury's biggest failure as of late

He was in a bind because he didn't develop his quarterbacks.

 

[Hidog78]

Newton spent a year at a jc, it's not like hehad an ankle monitorand committed his second offence. Then skips across country to find someone to take him in. I wonder if he has the dvd Blind Side in his backpack.

 

[patdog]

nm

 

[dawgstudent]

his defense carried them through the year and rotate Cotton and Stanley. Now with Cotton gone, he had to stick with Stanley.

2011 is shaping up to be a rough year for Ole Miss.

 

[patdog]

2011 is shaping up to be a rough year for Ole Miss.

And their schedule isn't going to do them any favors. Boise St. at home (likely Stanley's 1st career start) and at Fresno St. is probably going to keep them out of a minor bowl.

 

[Roy Munson.sixpack]

touche' yes i certainly do. Brain fart and got caught up in my rant. Really meant to tie in how much better he would fit in gus's system and got carried away with trying to add ****. No worries...point still stands. Thanks for pointing that out. No editing for me for being an idiot.

 

[seshomoru]

his defense carried them through the year and rotate Cotton and Stanley. Now with Cotton gone, he had to stick with Stanley.

2011 is shaping up to be a rough year for Ole Miss.

I feel better about where we are than where they are.

Of course some of that is maroon glasses and pre-season wool, but I honestly can't say I would be that enthusiastic about what was going on if I were an Ole Miss fan. I would have loved the two trips to Dallas and a player like Masoli, but there would be major doubts.

Sort of like I'm going to love having Sidney on the court, but the doubts grow stronger every year.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

You've displayed enough sports knowledge over the years for us to: A) Laugh at the mistake and B) Point it out for all to see.

I do think he would fit well in this offense, but we already have an ex-con QB so we don't need another one.

 

[Rebbed4herpleasure]

I think your emphasis a coach needing to represent the University well and maintain its good image is overstated a bit. Those things are mere fractions of what a college coach is supposed to do. Hell, for half of my post I agreed with you.

 

[Rutherford B Hays]

But Manson is AOK with Rick.

 

[RebelBruiser]

This Masoli thing is not doing whatever it takes to win. It's covering his *** for not doing his job properly. He should be blasted for putting them in this situation more so than the actual act of letting Masoli join the team.

How the hell did Nutt let himself get in a situation with only 2 scholarship QBs, with a total of 23 pass attempts between them?

Let's say Tyler Russell got mad about the way the spring went down. You're left with 2 scholarship QBs with 41 attempts between them. The difference in our QB situation and yours is Cotton quitting in July.

 

[rebel law]

but we will be bringing back 10 starters on offense, 9 if Masoli starts as expected. I have confidence that Nix can put together a respectable unit. Scheduling will finally catch up with us though so while we might put a decent team on the field, I don't see our schedule allowing us to do much more than 5 or 6 wins.

 

[seshomoru]

<span style="font-weight: bold;">I think your emphasis a coach needing to represent the University well and maintain its good image is overstated a bit</span>. Those things are mere fractions of what a college coach is supposed to do. Hell, for half of my post I agreed with you.

It's not. In fact it's one of the main things mentioned by our AD in what a head coach should be. They are the face of the most public and profitable branch of the University.

 

[patdog]

Not to mention that Relf has over 500 yards rushing and actually has good passing stats (although this is probably a case where stats are deceiving) as opposed to Stanley's ****** stats.</p>

 

[seshomoru]

This Masoli thing is not doing whatever it takes to win. It's covering his *** for not doing his job properly. He should be blasted for putting them in this situation more so than the actual act of letting Masoli join the team.

How the hell did Nutt let himself get in a situation with only 2 scholarship QBs, with a total of 23 pass attempts between them?

Let's say Tyler Russell got mad about the way the spring went down. You're left with 2 scholarship QBs with 41 attempts between them. The difference in our QB situation and yours is Cotton quitting in July.

You can say it all you want, but it didn't happen. Our coach did his job of keeping his quarterbacks around and trying to develop them. So what's your point?

 

[elguapo543]

At the Cotton Bowl we had 1) Jevan Snead, 2) Stanley, 3) Cotton, 4) Clayton Moore and 5) a commitment from Randall Mackey. Moore left shortly after the CB. Then, Jevan decided to declare. By the summer, we had 1) Stanley, 2) Cotton, and 3) Randall Mackey signed. By late summer, we added 4) a commitment by Mikhail Miller.

When Cotton decided week before last he didn't like having to compete for a starting job, we were down to 1) Stanley, 2) Randall Mackey and 3) a commitment from Mikhail Miller.

That is how we got here. In a matter of eight months, we went from five quarterbacks to two. Should Nutt have done a better job keeping his thumb on the pulse of our QBs? Absolutely. Do I fault him for that? Sure. Does that mean this entire cluster is solely his fault? Of course not.

Maybe he had a hand in getting us here, but this isn't all Nutt's fault. He is, however, doing what he can to keep us from relying on a RS Soph being backed up by a juco athlete.

ETR: Fictional character "Raymond Moore."

 

[RebelBruiser]

This Masoli thing is not doing whatever it takes to win. It's covering his *** for not doing his job properly. He should be blasted for putting them in this situation more so than the actual act of letting Masoli join the team.

How the hell did Nutt let himself get in a situation with only 2 scholarship QBs, with a total of 23 pass attempts between them?

Let's say Tyler Russell got mad about the way the spring went down. You're left with 2 scholarship QBs with 41 attempts between them. The difference in our QB situation and yours is Cotton quitting in July.

You can say it all you want, but it didn't happen. Our coach did his job of keeping his quarterbacks around and trying to develop them. So what's your point?

So it's Nutt's fault that he apparently didn't coddle Cotton enough?

 

[coach66]

*** off using the racism angle and the "no invite" to the Manning passing camp. Brilliant!!!!!!!

 

[seshomoru]

So it's Nutt's fault that he apparently didn't coddle Cotton enough?

Does coddling mean developing? Maybe that's why Snead turned out the way he did.