Can't believe it's taken us this long. Meanwhile all our neighboring states are kicking our teeth in regards to new jobs. Not ONE single reason we don't already have this.
Right to work.....finally
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The single reason that we don't have it is the democrat majority in the House that has existed for decades. That situation has finally been fixed. Kentucky needs to pass right to work or it will fall further behind. If big union states like Michigan and Wisconsin can pass it to better job opportunities, so can we.
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in many industries, unions make little sense.
There is one single reason.
And they all got voted out.
And they all got voted out.
It's is a law that says that you can't be forced to join a union if you want to work in unionized areas of a company like Ford, UPS or GE as a condition of employment. It also says that a company is not obligated to collect union dues via payroll deduction. The union has to collect the dues on its own. Right to work states have much faster job creation than non-right to work states.
Here is the map: (Note that WV is now right to work and Ohio has a few right to work counties).
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"Decades" may be selling it a little short. The democrats held the state House since 1921. The current session of the general assembly marks the 3rd session since the 1860's where the republicans held the house. So, at the end of this session, that will make 6 years of a republican house in over 150 years.
According to the Bureau of labor statistics only 11% of Kentucky workers are in a Union (which is essentially on par with our neighboring states except Virginia), and my guess would be that the vast majority of those folks are in Education. I doubt Right to work would have any impact on new businesses coming to Kentucky but it sure makes for fun slogans during election time.
Boeing specifically chose to build its new aircraft factory in South Carolina because it was a right to work state. Boeing was tired of strikes hurting production and causing missed delivery dates at its Washington plant (Washington is non-right to work). Boeing's action was immediately attacked as illegal by the Obama Admin.'s Justice department and department of labor as a favor to Big Labor. Boeing won and built a 1.2 million square foot plant (creating thousands of temporary construction jobs) and hired 3,800 permanent aircraft workers in South Carolina. That's just one example but I can't think of many better blue collar jobs than working for Boeing.
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Now if we can just get the right to party.
"Forced-Unionism" is a hilarious propaganda term.It's is a law that says that you can't be forced to join a union if you want to work in unionized areas of a company like Ford, UPS or GE as a condition of employment. It also says that a company is not obligated to collect union dues via payroll deduction. The union has to collect the dues on its own. Right to work states have much faster job creation than non-right to work states.
Here is the map: (Note that WV is now right to work and Ohio has a few right to work counties).
Don't want to work somewhere with a union? Then don't apply to work somewhere with a union. Really ******* difficult concept to grasp, I know...
Its pretty accurate. If you want a blue collar job at Ford, UPS, etc. in Kentucky, you must join the union or they cannot/will not hire you. Joining the union is a condition of employment. Heck, my 16 year old nephew had to join Kroger's union in order to be hired for a summer job as a bagger.
Doubt all you want, but it's definitely a factor.
Funny, considering how unions go about doing their business.
A company doesn't have a union, but the unions want to go there? Why can't they just go somewhere else rather than harassing non-union shops?
Forbes recently did a study of fortune 500 companies. There were lots attributes they did and didn't like, but only one "deal killer", that's if they weren't right to work states.
It's not just a factor, it's a huge factor. And job growth in Indiana and Tenn prove it.
It's not just a factor, it's a huge factor. And job growth in Indiana and Tenn prove it.
Lol. Jesus, and we wonder why our state is so stupid. You come in to a man's business and demand how he does business by unionizing, and then have the nerve to say " if you don't like it work somewhere else".
And rtw does nothing but give YOU, the employee the Choice of being in the union or not. So yeah, forced unionism is pretty accurate
We have no idea how much of what Boeing said has to do with Right to Work, and how much of it was just the bargaining they used to bilk out about a billion dollars worth of financial incentives from South Carolina. When Boeing went to look to build this new plant they only actively looked at states where they already had a presence. Some were right to work states, others were not. And they still maintain over 80,000 employees in Washington so its not like they are running away from places that do not have right to work laws.
Regardless, there are not going to be very many Boeing examples out there. Right to work is going to have little to no impact on a company making plans to establish itself in a new state. Union membership has been on the decline for decades especially in areas like manufacturing. They are going to go where the best deals are at.
As did I when I worked for kroger in high school. Don't want to work at a union shop? Don't apply at a union shop. Work somewhere else or start your own business. But you loonies that think states should be able to restrict people from entering into a perfectly legal contract are straight up bizarre whackos.
Do you even know how unions work? If the idiot "business owner" enters into a contract that hurts his business and that contract is anything other than a cba, do we pity him? Why don't we just pass laws that say businesses can't enter into bad contracts. Voila. What an outstanding ******* law we passed.
A cba is a contract. If you're too stupid to figure out how to structure one where it doesn't destroy your business then your *** is too stupid to be in business to begin with.
RTW does nothing but prevent private entities from entering into a mutually agreed to contract. That is literally the definition of a RTW law. Sorry that you're too dense to comprehend that.
You're an imbecile. Nice to know you're another in the whacko ilk that thinks states should interfere in perfectly legal contract negotiations. I guess all of these corporations are forced an gunpoint to sign CBAs so they have to run to daddy gubmint to protect them.
Boeing specifically stated avoiding unions as a reason for going to South Carolina, that is why Obama sued them.
There are literally dozens of other examples just like that with large scale companies choosing right to work states over forced union states as well. Union membership is on decline because areas of our labor force like manufacturing have been on decline, largely because of unions. That is a major reason Mexico has gotten so many auto manufacturing jobs from us in recent decades.
I'm flabbergasted (not really) that the irony is lost on all you imbeciles that RTW is basically forcing the decision on whether to unionize on businesses (just like RTW loonies claim non-RTW forces the decision on whether to unionize or not on employees). Just because it inherently benefits businesses in the majority of instances is irrelevant. It's a forced decision.
Just admit you're radical lunatics.
Just admit you're radical lunatics.
Right to work allows a choice, and that scares unions to death. Liberals love taking choices away from people.
What a dumbass take. Manufacturing is leaving (has left) this country because the floor wages in this country are exponentially higher than wages across the globe and there are no restrictions to exploiting that. Get rid of unions nationwide and I'm sure manufacturing is going to just pour in from SE Asia.
This is the idiocy we're contending with.
Why should a worker be forced to join a union and to pay dues as a condition of employment? The freaking union doesn't own the company and shouldn't get to say who can work there or not. Right to work gives the employee the choice as to whether he/she wants to be a part of the union (including payment of dues). They can either opt in or opt out of the union and still be employed by a unionized company under RTW.
In any case, its going to pass here in Kentucky. All those union workers at Ford, UPS, GE, etc. can now tell the union to screw off if they want. They will be able to keep their job and not have to pay dues if that is the option they prefer. That will be a nice pay raise for those workers.
It's a lot like this one too.Odd how that map is eerily similar to this one...
Dear Lord why is this difficult... Don't want to work for a union? DON'T APPLY AT A ******* UNION SHOP.
How do you feel about the government forcing corporations into a decision to offer their employee's health insurance? I'm sure your magic wandering logic mysteriously has an issue with that instance of the government forcing businesses into contractual decisions.
This actually isn't true. It's ilk the union's have spread for decades, and their gullible sheep have bought it.
So you take away the choice (rights) of 2 parties for the choice of another party and in most cases, not even a party to the contract but a POTENTIAL 3rd party. Nice ******* logic.
Certainly a huge benefit of making KY a RTW state would come by the elimination of the Prevailing Wage. Every single construction project...for example at UK...has carried this outrageous provision that has driven up the cost of every project that we as tax payers have had to pay for.
Why are you so angry about this? Maybe try making a rational point without dropping 2 or 3 "f***ing" and see if that doesn't get your point across better?
Just not true. Union membership is up in Tenn since rtw. Not because more people are choosing union, but because so many more jobs have been landed. Mostly manufacturing, and many automotive.
All the foreign automakers have chosen rtw states in the south, Alabama, Tenn, miss, Carolinas etc. BMW, Honda, Volkswagen, Mercedes etc. They did so even though they would have preferred a state like KY who is more logistically attractive and who already has a manufacturing employment base. But RTW is a deal killer.
It's a lot like this one too.
91% + 39%= 130%. I think I found the problem with welfare.
That 91% though. Whew. That's a lot of white privilege.
Union's promote inefficiency, and give promotions based on seniority, not performance. Of course businesses don't want them, union's promote the opposite of what successful businesses want.
And the union's never paid you a dime, your employer did.
And union's don't have to negotiate for non union employees. That's something union's spread, knowing their following was too ignorant to ever know.
Freebies like pay increases and extra incentives for objectively worse work?