I believe he has offers from Richmond and William and Mary plus is being looked at by some larger football schools . He is being scouted as inside linebacker .
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I would post the link, but I believe they are a competitor to this site. I see Richmond on their list right now. W&M isn't showing yet, but word of mouth travels faster sometimes.
Do we need to wait on you to verify it? It's okay that I've verified it myself, right? You do know this offer came weeks ago? If I have to wait for you to verify this type of info players will be in their sophomore year of college ball before I find out they received an offer.
He is big-time guru on all things, please don't question him.
I have been watching these boards for a long time. I'm well aware of how smart he thinks he is. I'm also well aware of how often he shows his ignorance. Case in point: VMI late signings of "left overs". Uh, news flash, it's the SoCon! It's Div IAA football. All of those schools sign "left overs" late. Heck, Chattanooga won the SoCon the last two years and they have exactly zero commits for 2017. They have offers out but no commits. VMI isn't the only one. It's no great mystery. All players are going to wait to see what their options are before committing to a Div IAA school.
Here's another: Div III schools don't offer schollies. Technically, he's right. They don't call them schollies. They call them "grants" or "financial assistance". If a player commits (and yes they do sign) they will receive money for college. If a coach wants a particular player money will not be an obstical. The coach can't offer the money. It has to go through the schools finance office. But you can bet your sweet bippy that the school will come through financially. You think Mt. Union, Rowan and Wisconsin Whitewater get all those kids for free? Haha! That's rich!
Here's another: Div III schools don't offer schollies. Technically, he's right. They don't call them schollies. They call them "grants" or "financial assistance". If a player commits (and yes they do sign) they will receive money for college. If a coach wants a particular player money will not be an obstical. The coach can't offer the money. It has to go through the schools finance office. But you can bet your sweet bippy that the school will come through financially. You think Mt. Union, Rowan and Wisconsin Whitewater get all those kids for free? Haha! That's rich!
Just not in any of the recruiting databases or the news yet. That's it. But I took as a true from you and wished him luck on the season. Don't get your knickers in a bunch over nothing.
"My bologna has a first name..."
You're not looking in the right places. It's out there on national services. Keep looking. We're waiting for your verification.
VMI is a Division I AA school. Never said otherwise. Also known as FCS. Same as James Madison, LU, Richmond, W&L, etc. they recruit the players they can "get". They don't persue kids with a lot of FBS offers because they know they're just wasting their resources there. They do throw offers out there in the hopes of getting some of these but they also realize the odds are poor. Obviously, James Madison isn't going to get a kid that Nick Saban or Jim Harbaugh wants.
Also, schools like UVA and VT have over a hundred offers out there now, knowing they cannot take more than 25. It helps kids "decide" earlier. Before they ever step foot on the field as a Senior, which is why recruiting is essentially done for them by Sept 1. At the same time, most FCS schools are pretty locked in too by this time. They already have commitments. This is why I say, VMI gets those players left. They will have very few commitments by that time but this does help them in some ways. They can pick up kids who previously had not stood out but had breakout Senior years. Also, as cutandjump mentioned previously, nothing is ever truly locked in until the LOI is signed. Schools can pull an offer anytime and a kid can change his mind anytime.
A scholarship LOI is a contract specifically detailing the fine points of what is covered. The students obligations and the Universities. It is many pages long. It's not the 1 page anyone can download, put a name on and say they're committed to joeblow College.
No, DIIIs do not offer schollies and vahsfootball is correct. There is financial aid and grant possibilities. Your families financial position determines most of this aid. Academics schollies are also there. Still, You must qualify. But rarely is there a free ride. You'll normally end up paying the same as you would at one of the State schools. About $7000 per semester. About a third of what it normally costs to attend a DIII. But no, you don't sign a commitment to a DIII. It is not a legal contract like a DI document. It is not necessary but people do like to put on a show sometimes for the local papers and sign a meaningless document. It could just as easily be a blank piece of paper and have the same value. But the show happens frequently. They even do this for a preferred walk-on signing a LOI. Another meaningless document. But folks still do it.
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I told you I believed you right out of the chute. I just like to verify stuff. I'm OCD. Might want to pull in another notch in those knickers.
There is no verification for this stuff. It is verboten for schools to discuss kids who haven't signed, even simply to say whether or not a kid has an offer. Those databases exist simply on the kid's word and occasionally on a coach's word(told secondary to an insider or reporter). Both kids and coaches can, will, and have lied about their offers. Typically what happens is a reporter from 247 or Rivals or ESPN or Scout talk to a kid and among the questions is "who's offered you" and the kid spouts out a list and there you go. But kids/parents can misinterpret letters as offers or coaches can give the ol' "non-committable" offer and so on and so forth which is why you can look up virtually any kid on any site and you will see one site say he has offers from schools A, B, C and another site says only school B and another site says A, B, and E, etc.
If Fox is reporting those as his current offers then you either take it at face value or don't because that is where the verification begins and ends. Fox is a high-FCS, low-FBS level player so his offers make sense and thus seem well within reason to me. If I came on here and someone said he had an offer to OSU and I can't find an OSU site talking about him then yea, I'd question what I read but these offers make sense.
If Fox is reporting those as his current offers then you either take it at face value or don't because that is where the verification begins and ends. Fox is a high-FCS, low-FBS level player so his offers make sense and thus seem well within reason to me. If I came on here and someone said he had an offer to OSU and I can't find an OSU site talking about him then yea, I'd question what I read but these offers make sense.
They commit because it is an honor and privilege to play any college level sport. The community (I can speak for Salem) wants to celebrate and support these kids. Everyone enjoys celebrating a player's commitment to play college ball. And boy is it a commitment. 6 AM practices, afternoon practices, classes, workouts, and traveling all while completing mounds of schoolwork. I know someone who turned down a opportunity to play DI to play at a DIII school. They chose D3 for the academics. I know a kid playing D2 with no athletic scholarship, but a sizeable academic scholarship . The school can save the atheltic scholarship for someone that can't qualify for the academic. Also, today's recruiting is about the right person noticing a player. There is a fine line between the D3 football player and the D1. If you don't get that, I'm sorry.
This was really good stuff. Thanks. Usually, if it's posted on one of the recruiting sites, it's been cross checked but you're right. It's not always accurate.
Like you, I do take Fox's offers on face value and wish him luck. He is a solid player. But 6' and 200 is not the standard by any means. In addition, both those numbers are most probably exaggerated. Still, guys like Ray Lewis and London Fletcher showed it can not only be done with that size but can be one of the best of all time.
Still, because of today's recruiting standards, I would agree. FCS may be best fit. But good FBS is not likely. VT, under Beamer, used to believe in legacies. New regime there. We'll see. But I hope him nothing but the best.
IMO, it's Ramsey I see with an FBS offer. He's the game impact LB. speed, nasty, power, nose for the ball. That's what the Recruiters will see and desire. Just another reason Salem goes undefeated through the regular season and top rated in 4A this year. IMO.
I'm right with you on everything you said until the end. It is absolutely not about the right person noticing a player and the difference between a DI and DIII player is huge. DIIIs get solid players. DIs get exceptional players. If you don't get that, I'm sorry.
But there are mouth shutters. London Fletcher was DIII and if it wasn't for Ray Lewis, would have been the #1 best NFL LB in the last 20 years.
But here's the deal. DI Coachs lose their jobs for recruiting and offering a London Fletcher out of HS. This is a business. Special athletes win you games. Measurables win you games. Recruit a special athlete that doesn't work out, you keep your job. Recruit an undersized, hard worker with tons of heart that doesn't work out and you lose your job. That's where we are today. If you don't understand that, I'm sorry.
Recruit kids with exceptional talent that aren't determined to learn and improve and you'll eventually get fired.
Will not attempt to dismiss Salem's success this year. They won and did an incredible job. But IMO, they lose 9 out of 10 of those against LT and you'll get a whole lot of very experienced opinions that will tell you the same.
But that's how Colleges work. They'll take 9 out of 10 all year.
Really not trying to be disrespectful but I'm sure it will be taken that way. I don't expect any Spartan fan to respond one way or another. You don't need to bother when you're wearing a ring.
Kind of along these lines, did you see where a kid from LC Bird turned down Cornell and several similar schools to play basketball for Harvard? DAAMMN!
Like we have been talking about, I love it when a kid makes a decision based on what they want, such as a military school, or their families' alma matar. I also have a lot of admiration when a kid has been recruited by a top D1 school, (where they may never be a starter or regular player), and he decides to go to a smaller school were he can play almost immediately. In other words, they would rather be a big fish in a small pond than the other way around. After all, except for a very few, playing football is over when they finish their college career.
I disagree. I played at CNU with a guy named Dean Mutahdi from Alexandria TC Williams. He was an animal, high energy, passionate, just a great football player and great person to be around. After his sophomore year, he transferred to Maryland where he earned a scholarship and started his senior year. Guy ended up on the Cardinals, Packers and Bears rosters/practice squads over a 4 year span after going undrafted. So I'm proving wrong your assessment that their is a huge difference between D1 and D3. No one saw fit to give him a scholly at D1, D1AA or D2 out of high school. He's currently a pro wrestler for WWE, Mojo Rawley. check his wikipedia page here; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mojo_Rawley
Looks like a lot of the right people noticed him over the years.
Also while I was at CNU, ODU started their football program and offered scholarships to 4 of our players who transferred and became scholarship players.
Also, my freshman year on the JV team, we scrimmaged Fork Union Post grad who had 11 FBS players(according to rivals, but I'm positive more players ended up with schollies, that was early stages for rivals so coverage wasn't like it is today) including Jacoby Ford(Clemson; Oak Raiders) and we beat them 14-7.
So in my humble opinion, occasionally DIII players can share the field with D1's and hold their own or even win.
Mario Haskett. Had offers from Dartmouth, Cornell and I think Yale also.
Good for him. I wish him Godspeed. He has his work cut out for him, but I have no doubt he will do himself proud.
No, you are trying to be disrespectful, be honest. People with experienced opinions that are worth something usually don't make the absurd would have won "_ out of _ games" argument. Especially when the two teams were as close as they were. There were not a bunch of strange plays in that game that swung things for Salem.
What part of "mouth shutters" did you not read? There are players not evaluated to the right level. Clearly. And you gave examples. So did I. Well done.
But you think Radford is going to beat VT in September? It would most likely be a bloodbath. If that's where you want to bet your money, be my guest. But that's the bottom line. Who's going to win? The one with the best players.
But this does not change the facts of recruiting. It's a business like any other. When you get 9 out of 10 right, you keep your job and it's all based on measurables and athleticism. Undersized, slower, players with all the heart and work ethic in the world are just not going to go FBS. That's how Coachs lose their job.
Not disrespectful. If you go back, the general consensus from all but Salem prognosticators was 35 - 14 LT.
I do agree that everyone, but Salem fans, underestimated the Salem defense. But if the game were played tomorrow, that would remain the spread.
What do the predictions have to do with the actual game and what happened on the field? Some Salem fans thought, without really having any common opponents to compare to, that LT would be superior but in the game itself that wasn't the case... they were very close.
My word. Radford isn't playing VT in September. Hell, Radford doesn't even have a football team. Just stop already.
By the way, W&L isn't FCS. They're Div III.
By the way, W&L isn't FCS. They're Div III.
You didn't tell me squat. I didn't post the original thread.
Also, if a kid receives a grant or financial aid from a D3 school for football (or any other sport) and the kid decides to quit playing that sport after their freshman year, the school can pull the financial aid for subsequent years. I'm not saying they all do this. I'm saying I have personal knowledge of it happening. Some of those financial aid and/or grant packages are rather handsome as well. A kid is left with little to pay for in many cases.
DIII Schools can pull financial aid at any time for a slew of reasons and you'll find none of those reasons due to athletics. They would be in violation of NCAA rules if they did and could be sued. There's most likely more to be added to your personal knowledge than you've been told. Like grades, behavior or a mistake in the Financial statements. The school had to have a legal "out" or they could not pull that aid from an athlete.
Yes, some DIII aid packages can be substantial but they have to be earned and based on need or academics. If there's impropriety based on athletics, the institution can lose this aid permanently and schools don't want to do that. I'm not saying it doesn't happen or that there aren't slush funds from boosters that are not well regulated. Like a "Citizenship Grant". But I don't know anybody that goes for free.
I don't know why, but this came to mind. Ohio State University employees over 30 people just to do NCAA compliance and reports over 100 violations per month to the NCAA. Interesting factoid.
DI schools can also pull athletic scholarships at any time after the first year. 1st year contracts are guaranteed when the paperwork is signed. As I said before, DI LOIs are scholarship contracts. There's a lot of paperwork involved. They also need to be renewed yearly. This allows the school to get out easily from under a player who doesn't work out.
On review, you did NOT post the original but you acted a such and I responded in kind. Like I said, I'm OCD and like to verify stuff especially because the Colleges are not allowed to either confirm or deny an actual offer. I also believe the HS Coachs have the same limitation unless they've been granted permission by the player. But I can't confirm that part.
@one man and I disagree.. We think Raddy would dominate Virginia Tech in the trenches. Especially if they play the game on Moffett Quad
I heard George Mason is playing Bama this year too at Fed Ex Field.. Now that's going to be a bloodbath!
I hope GM gets an extremely handsome payday for this. I know small programs really need the money, but man, I hate to see these types of matchups.@one man and I disagree.. We think Raddy would dominate Virginia Tech in the trenches. Especially if they play the game on Moffett Quad
I have to take some crap for this. It was sarcasm. Correct that Radford does not have a football team and that they are not on VT's schedule. What is sad is how many thought there was.@one man and I disagree.. We think Raddy would dominate Virginia Tech in the trenches. Especially if they play the game on Moffett Quad
Dollars to doughnuts you're the only person here that thought Radford had a football program.