good points and I agree it is better to be born with certain traits such ascajones but I don't think there is any doubt about Relf's cajones, he just didn't have any confidence until Mullen and company got ahold of him. I also saw a great deal of progress with Mini Favre and Tyler Russell in the spring game so I'm sticking with the fact that Mullen and Koenig are not QB killa's and know what they are doing.