More than one poster over on the scout board says that he has received an offer from Georgetown a couple days ago and is strongly considering it. This would be a big blow I think, because he is probably the best recruiter we have and the only assistant worth a ****. Anyone else heard anything?
Robert Kirby leaving?
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More than one poster over on the scout board says that he has received an offer from Georgetown a couple days ago and is strongly considering it. This would be a big blow I think, because he is probably the best recruiter we have and the only assistant worth a ****. Anyone else heard anything?
Kirby leaving might have some small negative impact on short-term recruiting, but there would be a huge upgrade in game-planning and scouting, no matter who we hire.
I'm highly doubtful this is true (but won't guarantee it..) does georgetown even have an open position?
Getting rid of Kirby would the worst thing that could happen.. Either of the other two would be my coach. But It really wont make a difference..Its Rick show to run.
Getting rid of Kirby would the worst thing that could happen.. Either of the other two would be my coach. But It really wont make a difference..Its Rick show to run.
is Kirby has the connections with the AAU coaches. It's not a coincidence that Georgetown goes after him when MS is producing a loaded class coming up. They want his in on these guys and he has it. Would definitely hurt, at least from a recruiting stand point. Cunningham did get Moultrie in. I'm not sure what Marcus Grant's role is.
2 assistants graduated from MSU and have never really worked anywhere else. The other 2 have been with us for more than a decade, and one of them is the son of the head coach at Campbellsville when Stans was a student there. If we do lose Kirby, we HAVE to go outside the family to bring in a new hire.
Butch Pierre.
Looked him up to see where he is now--Oklahoma State. Could we steal him from there? He is a former MSU player andformer MSU assistant. He didok with LSU after they fired Brady mid-season.
http://www.okstate.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/pierre_butch00.html
It's not hard to know where the best high school players have been the last decade. Just look no farther than the travel itinerary of coach Butch Pierre hot on the recruiting trail. He secured one of the top recruiting classes in the country in 2009, ranked as high as No. 4 by HoopScoopOnline.com.</p>
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Pierre was instrumental in Oklahoma State's resurgence to the national spotlight by helping return the Cowboys to the NCAA Tournament and advancing to the second round. It was the eighth time in his tenure that a team he's coached for has made the Big Dance.</p>
Prior to OSU, Pierre spent 11 seasons at LSU, including six as the associate head coach. One of the elite assistant coaches and recruiters in college basketball, he has been called "one of the top assistants in the nation". Noted ESPN commentator Dick Vitale listed Pierre as one of his "Top Six" head coaching prospects among college assistant coaches.</p>
Pierre has recruited and played a key role in player development at every stop he's coached. He's coached such talents as Tyrus Thomas, the fourth overall lottery selection in the 2006 NBA Draft. Others include Stromile Swift, the second overall lottery pick in 2000, along with NBA players Ronald Dupree, Brandon Bass of the Dallas Mavericks, Glen Davis of the NBA Champion Boston Celtics, and former NBA player Jabari Smith.</p>
Under Pierre, Swift, Bass and Davis all earned SEC Player of the Year honors and, during his tenure at LSU, four players received SEC Freshman of the Year honors while one was named the SEC Defensive Player of the Year.</p>
Pierre was instrumental in the Tigers' advancement to the Final Four in 2006. LSU defeated Texas A&M, top-ranked Duke and No. 2 seed Texas en route to Indianapolis before falling to UCLA in the national semifinals. All told, Pierre was involved in four NCAA appearances and two NIT tournaments with the Tigers. LSU also won two SEC Championships (2000, `06) and three SEC Western Division Championships (2000, `05, `06).</p>
Pierre is recognized by his peers in the industry as a relentless, innovative and extremely successful recruiter. His work ethic and attention to detail is what people have seen everywhere he has worked. At LSU, it helped him land four McDonald's and nine Parade prep All-Americans, seven junior college All-Americans and two player who earned national junior college Player of the Year honors.</p>
Pierre is also instrumental in practice planning and on-the-court practice drills with the team and spends countless hours in his office not only working on recruiting, but studying videos of practice and games, looking for things that can be improved upon. His superior technical basketball knowledge is used in practices and he also assists with the implementation of the Cowboys' defensive schemes and philosophy.</p>
Pierre has made a mark in coaching everywhere he has set up shop. He has also built and established a reputation throughout the country of turning losing into winning at each institution he has worked at throughout his career. Following a two-year stint at Kentucky State University (1986-88) where the school posted its first winning season in seven years, Pierre returned to the state of Louisiana at Louisiana-Lafayette, joining the Ragin' Cajuns prior to the 1988-89 season. In his eight-year career there, his team won two Sun Belt Tournament titles (1992, `94), won the Sun Belt regular-season championship (1992) and played in two NCAA Tournaments.</p>
More than a dozen of his players went on to play professionally and he was elevated to the top assistants' position in his second season on the Cajun staff. Pierre left south Louisiana to go to Charlotte for the 1996-97 season where he served for one season, putting together a top-10 recruiting class before heading to LSU. In his lone season with Charlotte, the 49ers won the Conference USA Western Division title and defeated Georgetown in the first round of the NCAA Tournament.</p>
Pierre received his bachelor's degree in education in 1984 and his master's of education degree in 1986, both from Mississippi State. It has been Coach Pierre's passion and mission to insure that every student-athlete he has recruited works diligently to complete his degree prior to his departure from the university. While successful in recruiting All-American athletes, he has seen these athletes have extraordinary athletic success and most of them have matriculated at their various institutions.</p>
A native of Darrow, La., Pierre was a prep and SEC standout in his playing days. At St. Amant High School, he was a prep All-American and the school retired his jersey in 1980. Pierre started four seasons as a point guard for Mississippi State. Butch and his wife, Clemmie, are parents of a daughter, Langley (a freshman at LSU), and twin sons, Joseph III and Josh, juniors at Stillwater High School. Clemmie received her bachelor's degree in communications from Kentucky.</p>
Looked him up to see where he is now--Oklahoma State. Could we steal him from there? He is a former MSU player andformer MSU assistant. He didok with LSU after they fired Brady mid-season.
http://www.okstate.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/pierre_butch00.html
It's not hard to know where the best high school players have been the last decade. Just look no farther than the travel itinerary of coach Butch Pierre hot on the recruiting trail. He secured one of the top recruiting classes in the country in 2009, ranked as high as No. 4 by HoopScoopOnline.com.</p>
</p>
Pierre was instrumental in Oklahoma State's resurgence to the national spotlight by helping return the Cowboys to the NCAA Tournament and advancing to the second round. It was the eighth time in his tenure that a team he's coached for has made the Big Dance.</p>
Prior to OSU, Pierre spent 11 seasons at LSU, including six as the associate head coach. One of the elite assistant coaches and recruiters in college basketball, he has been called "one of the top assistants in the nation". Noted ESPN commentator Dick Vitale listed Pierre as one of his "Top Six" head coaching prospects among college assistant coaches.</p>
Pierre has recruited and played a key role in player development at every stop he's coached. He's coached such talents as Tyrus Thomas, the fourth overall lottery selection in the 2006 NBA Draft. Others include Stromile Swift, the second overall lottery pick in 2000, along with NBA players Ronald Dupree, Brandon Bass of the Dallas Mavericks, Glen Davis of the NBA Champion Boston Celtics, and former NBA player Jabari Smith.</p>
Under Pierre, Swift, Bass and Davis all earned SEC Player of the Year honors and, during his tenure at LSU, four players received SEC Freshman of the Year honors while one was named the SEC Defensive Player of the Year.</p>
Pierre was instrumental in the Tigers' advancement to the Final Four in 2006. LSU defeated Texas A&M, top-ranked Duke and No. 2 seed Texas en route to Indianapolis before falling to UCLA in the national semifinals. All told, Pierre was involved in four NCAA appearances and two NIT tournaments with the Tigers. LSU also won two SEC Championships (2000, `06) and three SEC Western Division Championships (2000, `05, `06).</p>
Pierre is recognized by his peers in the industry as a relentless, innovative and extremely successful recruiter. His work ethic and attention to detail is what people have seen everywhere he has worked. At LSU, it helped him land four McDonald's and nine Parade prep All-Americans, seven junior college All-Americans and two player who earned national junior college Player of the Year honors.</p>
Pierre is also instrumental in practice planning and on-the-court practice drills with the team and spends countless hours in his office not only working on recruiting, but studying videos of practice and games, looking for things that can be improved upon. His superior technical basketball knowledge is used in practices and he also assists with the implementation of the Cowboys' defensive schemes and philosophy.</p>
Pierre has made a mark in coaching everywhere he has set up shop. He has also built and established a reputation throughout the country of turning losing into winning at each institution he has worked at throughout his career. Following a two-year stint at Kentucky State University (1986-88) where the school posted its first winning season in seven years, Pierre returned to the state of Louisiana at Louisiana-Lafayette, joining the Ragin' Cajuns prior to the 1988-89 season. In his eight-year career there, his team won two Sun Belt Tournament titles (1992, `94), won the Sun Belt regular-season championship (1992) and played in two NCAA Tournaments.</p>
More than a dozen of his players went on to play professionally and he was elevated to the top assistants' position in his second season on the Cajun staff. Pierre left south Louisiana to go to Charlotte for the 1996-97 season where he served for one season, putting together a top-10 recruiting class before heading to LSU. In his lone season with Charlotte, the 49ers won the Conference USA Western Division title and defeated Georgetown in the first round of the NCAA Tournament.</p>
Pierre received his bachelor's degree in education in 1984 and his master's of education degree in 1986, both from Mississippi State. It has been Coach Pierre's passion and mission to insure that every student-athlete he has recruited works diligently to complete his degree prior to his departure from the university. While successful in recruiting All-American athletes, he has seen these athletes have extraordinary athletic success and most of them have matriculated at their various institutions.</p>
A native of Darrow, La., Pierre was a prep and SEC standout in his playing days. At St. Amant High School, he was a prep All-American and the school retired his jersey in 1980. Pierre started four seasons as a point guard for Mississippi State. Butch and his wife, Clemmie, are parents of a daughter, Langley (a freshman at LSU), and twin sons, Joseph III and Josh, juniors at Stillwater High School. Clemmie received her bachelor's degree in communications from Kentucky.</p>
Why wouldnt all the transfers in the last 5 years by players getting a lot of court time be the beginning and this just be yet another part of the destruction?
Why would an assistant coach leaving be any evidence of the beginning of the end? Its an assistant coach...hundreds leave programs every year. Assistants at good and great programs move all the time.
Wouldnt this be something that you like? It gets what seemed to be a lifer off the bench and allows for new blood and perhaps a new approach to enter the picture. If what we are doing isnt working, according to you, then trying something different makes sense. But instead, its apparently the beginning of the end...even though we all know assistants move all the time to other programs.
Gtown is a storied program that plays in the deepest and most talented conference. How on earth is an assistant going to such a program indicitive of the beginning of the end? Its a career move for him. It helps build his expereinces and resume. I dont think twice about an assistant at a program like ours accepting that opportunity.
There are about 4 different logical ways you could have responded to this and still been consistent with your Stans bashing, yet you managed to say something that makes little sense if any.
Impressive.
Why would an assistant coach leaving be any evidence of the beginning of the end? Its an assistant coach...hundreds leave programs every year. Assistants at good and great programs move all the time.
Wouldnt this be something that you like? It gets what seemed to be a lifer off the bench and allows for new blood and perhaps a new approach to enter the picture. If what we are doing isnt working, according to you, then trying something different makes sense. But instead, its apparently the beginning of the end...even though we all know assistants move all the time to other programs.
Gtown is a storied program that plays in the deepest and most talented conference. How on earth is an assistant going to such a program indicitive of the beginning of the end? Its a career move for him. It helps build his expereinces and resume. I dont think twice about an assistant at a program like ours accepting that opportunity.
There are about 4 different logical ways you could have responded to this and still been consistent with your Stans bashing, yet you managed to say something that makes little sense if any.
Impressive.
So top tier programs wanting our assistant coaches is a bad thing??? I thought one of you guys main complaints was that no one would ever want a Stans assistant?
I'm confused to. Kirby has gotten ripped on this board for his lack of X's and O's and all of a sudden, Coach, who has been calling for the Stans, and the AD (I'm sure THAT would have gone over well) to get rid of Kirby, is now saying that this is somehow the beginning of the end?
I would think it would be a great break for us if Kirby is indeed as bad as he's made out to be.
I would think it would be a great break for us if Kirby is indeed as bad as he's made out to be.
"begining of the end"= "MSU should leave the SEC for CUSA". You're really doing well for yourself Coach.
Maybe we can replace Kirby with someone who can develope guard play. I trust Stans to be okay with the big guys (Sidney, Moultaire), but I dont have much faith in them developing new guards, especially point. I think whoever we get needs to have a proven record with PGs.
Was Butch Pierre Marcus Thornton's coach at LSU?
Maybe we can replace Kirby with someone who can develope guard play. I trust Stans to be okay with the big guys (Sidney, Moultaire), but I dont have much faith in them developing new guards, especially point. I think whoever we get needs to have a proven record with PGs.
Was Butch Pierre Marcus Thornton's coach at LSU?
Todd4State said:
was recruiting. And now Georgetown enters the picture to pick-up one or two of Mississippi's top Seniors this upcoming year. I'll bet you they sign at least one
As far as picking up another X's and O's guy, i'm pretty sure our new assistant is already on the payroll
he will be at a bigger venue school and we will miss him in recruiting. i have no doubt Stans will find a good replacement and I will guarantee you it won't be Coach 34. Folks have been bitching on here about change, now we will have it, so you'll soon see whom we hire and then if it isn't coach or one of his trolls, they will then ***** about the new hire. Same song, different verse. I wish Robert well.
People will complain when/if we hire another assistant who lacks strengths in the areas where we need it most (offense). I wish Kirby well too, but he's just another recruiter. We have three of those on staff already (sort of). We need a tactician/ scouter/ game planner/ bench coach.
he gets to coach under a coach that actually runs an offense- or Academy-ball offense as you like to call it. No-brainer for him
It hurts us because we lose our top recruiter and then we wont take advantage and hire someone to help with actual coaching like we need.
It's also good see that coaching 20 years at State can elevate you to an assistant's position at Georgetown
It hurts us because we lose our top recruiter and then we wont take advantage and hire someone to help with actual coaching like we need.
It's also good see that coaching 20 years at State can elevate you to an assistant's position at Georgetown