Romero Osby named first team All-Big 12
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I have often wished he had been redshirted as a freshman.
There was just no need to play him with Augustus and our depth.
He could have saved a year instead of being forced into playing a role he didn't fit, and getting yanked off the court everytime he made a mistake.
There was just no need to play him with Augustus and our depth.
He could have saved a year instead of being forced into playing a role he didn't fit, and getting yanked off the court everytime he made a mistake.
On another note, I see where Deville Smith will be playing for UNLV next season That should be interesting to watch play out.
Osby wanted to transfer back to MSU a year or two back, but we told him no (right?). I can't remember specifics, seemed like Bracky might have been involved in that.
Redshirting wouldn't have mattered. Stans still had plenty of time to treat him fairly and I'm guessing he would have stayed. I would like for somebody in the know to tell me what the hell Osby was doing to piss Stansbury off. We had two starters with terrible attitudes and Osby could have played for either of them. Sitting Augustus for him would have limited us somewhat b/c Kodi did offer a lot of size, but the team was equal or better when OSby filled in while Ravern was suspended. No reason for Ravern not to have to attempt to play defense or else have to get his minutes off the bench. Stansbury's treatment of Osby was the most telling indicator that he had lost it. One of the few players that plays hard for you and not onlyu does he not start, you can't find him minutes? I'm guessing at that too many players had something to hold over his head and there was no way for him to manage the team anymore.
Yes, he was part of the MSU JUCO program of the time. I know at the time Osby, Hansbrough, the Delk twins and maybe one other did the 2 year plan at MSU and then moved on.
If true, what a dumb move by us.
ETA: So, correct me if I'm wrong, but we had a guard (Hansbrough) that ended up Big East POY....and a forward (Osby) that ended up Big 12 All American...but we couldn't give them enough playing time or make it work enough to keep them happy? And some people wish we hadn't fired Stansbury.
Did I get that right? Also, does that mean we could have potentially had Hansbrough, Osby, Moultrie, Stewart, and Jarvis on the same squad two years ago if it hadn't been for transfers? I may be wrong on that part...just curious
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This is the first ive ever heard of it.
He left us 3 seasons ago, but wanted to transfer back a year or two ago? Not too sure about that. He had already used his redshirt year, so had he again transferred, he would have had to sit out another year which would have been a year of eligibility.
Thatd be pretty dumb on his part.
On a related note- has a player in any college sport transferred out of a program and back to it?
Quentin Smith left MSU for USM and then transferred back. UM also had the basketball player (Buckner?) who transferred to South Carolina, sat out a year, and then transferred back and they got a waiver so he didn't have to sit out another year when he transferred back. I think someone posted this rumor a year or 2 ago, but I'm like you, not so sure about it.
Holloway at Ole Miss went to SC and sat out a year, then back to the Bears..
No way Osby wanted to come back under Stans, no way in Hell..
No way Osby wanted to come back under Stans, no way in Hell..
Osby transferring along with Renardo Sidney was the dagger for me. Osby grew up an MSU fan from Collinsville, MS, but the fact he (unjustly) didn't hardly get to play played a big role in his transfer. Couple that with the fact we wouldn't let him come back, really just pissed me off. We are really our own worst enemy...
Good point, I agree. There was no doubt that Osby would be a great player, and the fact that he wanted to go to State made him immediately become a favorite for me. When Stans never gave him a chance, and we wasted him until he transferred, I was basically through with the Recruiter. We had a lot of attrition under Stans, and a good bit of it were head case guys that i gave Stans a pass on....but Osby didn't strike me as a selfish, bad apple, so when he left I was pretty frustrated as well.
Really now, how is this the first that ive heard of him wanting to come back? Was it after his redshirt year at Oklahoma? Was it after his Jr year at Oklahoma?
Do you realize how absurd it would be for him to come back and sit out another year?...he would lose eligibility in that instance, if Oklahoma had even allowed him to come back to MSU.
If this was discussed a year or two ago, there couldnt have been much(any) traction to it. The rumor mill would have been churning like never before if this were the case.
It was definitely out there, including the Bracky part, two years ago when it was allegedly going down.
Just keep thinking we could have had this lineup last year.
Moultrie F
Osby F
Hood F
Bryant SG
Dee Pg
To bad Stan's had a man crush on Kodi and just let him hang around the 3point line. Can't blame a kid who leaves because how he is being used. Osby is the perfect 4. Glad he has worked his way into a nba draft pick.
Moultrie F
Osby F
Hood F
Bryant SG
Dee Pg
To bad Stan's had a man crush on Kodi and just let him hang around the 3point line. Can't blame a kid who leaves because how he is being used. Osby is the perfect 4. Glad he has worked his way into a nba draft pick.
Its a rumor since I've never seen a quote from Osby about it. But its pretty strong as rumors go.
I heard he transferred to play the three, they made a coaching change and the new coach told him he'd be playing the four, and then wanted to transfer back. Once somebody got him playing the four, the rest is history.
I heard he transferred to play the three, they made a coaching change and the new coach told him he'd be playing the four, and then wanted to transfer back. Once somebody got him playing the four, the rest is history.
Romero thought he was a better ball-handler than he is. All big men want to play guard, it's just more fun.
And Stans coaching them. Nit at best and Stans would be coaching this yr. **** that I'm glad we didn't have them if it means Stans is gone. Better in the long run and we will improve our program faster.
Osby came no where close to matching Ravern's production when Ravern didn't play. For example, the game that Ravern sat out against Kentucky in the regular season, Osby scored 5 points and had 3 rebounds. When Ravern played against Kentucky in the tournament, he scored 20 points and had 3 rebounds.
Never claimed he matched his production. It's just that Ravern brought so many negatives to the table as far as defense, effort, and attitude, the team wasn't hurt replacing him with an inferior offensive player.
Defense was not that team's problem. Ravern was too skinny to defend big three men, but played defense within the system. And we played so much zone that it covered it up. People forget that we were in the top ten in the country in field goal percentage defense that year.
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This statement sums it up pretty well for me. Our team was soft that year, Varnado (could still block shots like a monster), Stewart (played decent D but was soft taking it to the hole....still probably has wrist problems) and Ravern (would go stand in one spot waiting for a kick out, lets not even discuss his Defense) were all softies during that stretch. Had Benock started playing at this point, it is kind of blurry to me? I can see where our overall shooting % D might have been decent enough with Varnado there to alter shots in the middle, but Ravern was terrible. Against physical teams with a big guy we were better with Augustus at the 5, and Osby at the 4, Turner at the 2/3. I seem to recall Stewart /Benock/Ravern playing the overwhelming majority of min per game at the two/three while Osby/Augustus/Turner split min at the 4?
I am very proud for RO, he handled his situation as best he could. I wish him luck if he continues with basketball.
This statement sums it up pretty well for me. Our team was soft that year, Varnado (could still block shots like a monster), Stewart (played decent D but was soft taking it to the hole....still probably has wrist problems) and Ravern (would go stand in one spot waiting for a kick out, lets not even discuss his Defense) were all softies during that stretch. Had Benock started playing at this point, it is kind of blurry to me? I can see where our overall shooting % D might have been decent enough with Varnado there to alter shots in the middle, but Ravern was terrible. Against physical teams with a big guy we were better with Augustus at the 5, and Osby at the 4, Turner at the 2/3. I seem to recall Stewart /Benock/Ravern playing the overwhelming majority of min per game at the two/three while Osby/Augustus/Turner split min at the 4?
I am very proud for RO, he handled his situation as best he could. I wish him luck if he continues with basketball.
Right before the UK game, Osby and Ravern both played in the Auburn game.
21 minutes for Ravern
24 minutes for Osby
Ravern shot 1-6 total, 1-5 from behind the arc, had 0 free throws, 0 rebounds, and 0 assists. He scored 3 points.
Osby shot 3-7 total, 0-1 from behind the arc, went 5-6 on free throws, had 1 rebound, and 0 assists. He scored 11 points.
Now i completely agree that Osby, at that time, didnt have Ravern's offensive game. But to compare the two like you did is misleading. They were different games. Players have widly varying games against the same team all the time. This is why i picked a game like Auburn. It also shows how choosing a random game like you did is completely misleading. Looking at just the Aurburn game, Ravern isnt worth ****.
How did Osby do on D in that UK game you rip on him for? Why does that not matter? Why is the other side of the court ignored?
Looks like he had 3 offensive rebounds, 4 assists, and a steal. Those are at or above what Ravern's season averages were that season.
Lets look at their basic stats per 40 for that season.
Osby had a slightly higher overall FG%. Osby projected at 3 more rebounds. Osby projected at 1 more assist. Osby projected at slightly more blocks. Osby projected at a slightly higher steal %.
Ravern had a higher FT%. Ravern projected at 5 more points.
| MIN | FGM | FGA | FG% | 3P% | FTM | FTA | FT% | REB | AST | BLK | STL | PF | TO | PTS | ||
| Ravern | 40.00 | 6.78 | 14.26 | 0.478 | 0.407 | 0.8 | 1.2 | 0.651 | 4.71 | 0.97 | 0.69 | 0.55 | 1.80 | 1.80 | 18.27 | |
| Osby | 40.00 | 4.89 | 10.38 | 0.462 | 0.41 | 0.7 | 1.2 | 0.634 | 7.63 | 1.83 | 0.92 | 0.61 | 2.75 | 3.05 | 13.13 |
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So basically on a per40 basis, Ravern's only leading statistical category was points scored. And thats because he also projected to take 4 more shots per game.
Ravern was awful on D. I shouldnt even say he was awful on D because a lot of times, he didnt even play it. You cant be awful at something you dont even do, right? You have to actually try to have a result of good or awful, right? Yeah so he wasnt awful, he was non-existent.
Ravern scored more. Of course he also shot more, so there is that. And beyond that, he didnt project to match Osby's production in any other simple statistical category.
Remember that this is all with Osby as a sophmore and Ravern as a Junior. A year younger, and on a per40 basis, Osby matched or exceeded Ravern in every simple statistical category besides scoring, but Osby also attempted less shots.
I just dont know how you can type that 'Osby came no where close to matching Ravern's production when Ravern didn't play.'
- who cares if he could match it when Ravern didnt play? The important thing should be if he could match Ravern's play overall. Looking at the Auburn game, he could. Looking at their per40 statistics for that season, he could.
Here are their stats fpr their senior seasons in per40 format. This is unrelated to my response to your clearly ignorant comment, but I just found the stats interesting.
| MIN | FGM | FGA | FG% | 3P% | FTM | FTA | FT% | REB | AST | BLK | STL | PF | TO | PTS | |
| Ravern | 40.00 | 6.65 | 15.47 | 0.43 | 0.403 | 3.44 | 4.47 | 0.78 | 4.13 | 0.92 | 0.57 | 0.46 | 1.15 | 1.49 | 20.17 |
| Osby | 40.00 | 7.38 | 14.04 | 0.53 | 0.50 | 7.09 | 8.94 | 0.80 | 9.79 | 1.56 | 1.28 | 0.85 | 3.40 | 1.84 | 22.27 |
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In their senior seasons, Osby makes more shots on less attempts than Ravern, makes more free throws and at a slightly higher % than Ravern, clearly outrebounds Ravern, gets more blocks than Ravern, gets more steals than Ravern, and scores more than Ravern.
Looks like Osby was statistically Ravern's equal in '09-'10, and is now a hell of a player.
Interesting article on Osby written last week. Can't blame the guy for transferring when you read this.
http://newsok.com/oklahoma-basketball-romero-osby-becomes-a-grown-up/article/3761671
Nothing was forcing him to mature. He was a 45-minute drive away from his home in Meridian, Miss. Coaches weren't saying what they wanted from him, according to Shalonda, and things on the team, which Romero declines to go into detail about, just weren't good.
“Mississippi State is a great university,” Shalonda said. “It's the things that transpired down there that nobody should ever be a part of.”
I really hate that we lost him. I remember watching film from highschool and saying he'd be our next Charles Rhodes. After two years I assumed I was wrong. I have no idea what his game looks like but the stat comparison is very close.
Osby, 6' 8", 232 lbs
SR - 15.7 ppg, 6.9 rpg
JR - 12.9 ppg, 7.3 rpg
Rhodes, 6' 8", 240 lbs
SR - 17.4 ppg, 7.8 rpg
JR - 13.7 ppg, 6.2 rpg
http://newsok.com/oklahoma-basketball-romero-osby-becomes-a-grown-up/article/3761671
Nothing was forcing him to mature. He was a 45-minute drive away from his home in Meridian, Miss. Coaches weren't saying what they wanted from him, according to Shalonda, and things on the team, which Romero declines to go into detail about, just weren't good.
“Mississippi State is a great university,” Shalonda said. “It's the things that transpired down there that nobody should ever be a part of.”
I really hate that we lost him. I remember watching film from highschool and saying he'd be our next Charles Rhodes. After two years I assumed I was wrong. I have no idea what his game looks like but the stat comparison is very close.
Osby, 6' 8", 232 lbs
SR - 15.7 ppg, 6.9 rpg
JR - 12.9 ppg, 7.3 rpg
Rhodes, 6' 8", 240 lbs
SR - 17.4 ppg, 7.8 rpg
JR - 13.7 ppg, 6.2 rpg