lol, I’m actually one of the ones who actually gives data. Usually the ones like you who result to name calling ect, don’t know what the **** they’re talking about. We’re 1-7. Go get another booster shot.
Rosey ripping us a new one on the Boneyard….
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W's and L's is a good place to start understanding it. Tell us how the number of plays we've run this season has helped us win all these games we've won this year?
Gus, as in Malzahn that is 3-5 so far this season and 6-7 last season?
Yes. Gus went 68-35 at Auburn and won the SEC West twice. we’d have a better staff and a more competitive team right now.
I mean both of you are proving how much of a knuckledragger you both are since you can't actually stick to the argument. As a reminder, the argument was that the we only have as many plays per game because our defense is bad. All I said, was that our plays per game would be the same or better with a competent defense since that is how this offense tends to operate and a bad defense is irrelevant. I never said we would magically have more wins because of that but we would have more opportunities. Mentioning what happens with those theoretical opportunities is pure conjecture.
TLDR: Your data is bad and you should feel bad.
I shouldn't be surprised at the level of posting here since there are literally people in here wishing we hired Gus Malzahn.
It's an indictment of the previous two regimes. That isn't necessarily their fault, at least on offense. Leach recruited to his one of a kind niche system. The transition there was always going to be ugly. On defense, a few people were telling us the last 3 years that the talent there was getting very thin in the underclasses. We didn't really see it because they weren't playing in games. There is no excuse for it to have dropped so far. That is squarely on Leach and Arnet.
Can I ask a question? Why do ya’ll concern yourself so much with what Football Korn says? He literally has a nickname placed on him that reflects how completely wrong he was about what direction our team was headed.
It's an indictment of most everyone involved in Mississippi State football the last 3 years. Leach recruiting was hit and miss at best, and the nature of his offense meant a lot of players wouldn't translate into a new coach's offense. Keenum made a lazy hire and Arnett went power mad and was a bad coach. Then a risky hire of a 1st time athletic director who made another lazy hire, and a new coach who made a few terrible assistant coaching hires. And all the while recruiting was suffering. There's plenty of blame to go around. Lebby, Hutzler, the OL coach, Selmon and Keenum all deserve a heaping share of it. Can't do anything about Arnett since he's gone. And sadly, Leach is dead.
Gus in 2023
6-7 with losses to
KSU
Baylor
Kansas
Oklahoma
West Virgina
Texas Tech
Georgia Tech
Gus in 2024
3-5 with losses to
Colorado
Florida
Cincinnati
Iowa State
BYU
He might have gone 9-3 here or he might have been 1-7 currently. Really weird hill to die on.
Hey everybody has an opinion , if you think 1-7 with these staff hires is the best possible job that could be done, enjoy
Time will definitely tell about our offense. And time isn't quite a luxury we have at the moment. Next season's offense will be interesting to see. I hope to see improvements on the offensive line the most.
I think our defense needs to be blown up, either the coaching strategy isn't working, the talent is unable to comprehend what is being taught, or the talent is very very subpar. Or it's a combination of the three. For whatever reason, we can't play defense with any sense of urgency that is needed on a given SEC weekend. Changes will need to be made here, whether its coaching, portal recruiting, or a combination. If nothing is done, next year will be the exact same as this year.
I think our defense needs to be blown up, either the coaching strategy isn't working, the talent is unable to comprehend what is being taught, or the talent is very very subpar. Or it's a combination of the three. For whatever reason, we can't play defense with any sense of urgency that is needed on a given SEC weekend. Changes will need to be made here, whether its coaching, portal recruiting, or a combination. If nothing is done, next year will be the exact same as this year.
I'm just not ready to blame this staff yet. It hasn't even been a full season and they were dealt an absolutely terrible hand coming in. One thing is for sure, if we start firing people now we are doomed for a long time. A school like MSU can not get a reputation as having a quick trigger. It results in Rick Ray hires.
I think the point is no one really knows and it goes back to these coaching hires are complete guesses. You can Monday morning QB these hires and say “well the should’ve hired X instead” but do you really know what the other would have done?
I think Head Coaching experience is very important when you are rebuilding a program from scratch in the SEC. Sure its a crap shoot but your odds go way down when you are
learning on the job and rebuilding at the same time. Especially if you have a low budget
Because if he starts being negative, it's really bad.
I don't think anyone is ready to fire Lebby yet. I'm sure not. But a couple of assistants have to go. It happens all the time. Nobody cares if a school fires a coach who isn't getting the job done. And the Rick Ray analogy is just ridiculous. Stans hadn't been to the NCAA tournament in 4 years and hadn't won an NCAA game in 5. We didn't hire Rick Ray because we had a quick trigger. We simply made a terrible hire.
A blueprint doesn’t mean shít. It’s still a guessing game.
"Aww shucks, whatever happens happens!11"
Not surprising that you think this way.
The Stans firing was perceived as a quick trigger by all but MSU people. We hired Ray because everyone higher on the list turned us down. I had a good source on that one.
This is true. But Stans had been there for like 10 years or whatever it was, and had been successful. Not only was it a quick trigger, it demonstrated that we were ungrateful and didn't appreciate successful coaches.
Firing Lebby at 1-11 wouldn't be the same issue. Or firing him next year if we go 2-10 or better, but continue to suck asss in '25.
We won't fire Lebby this year no matter what, at least for on the field stuff. We probably won't fire him next year either, same conditions. After that, normal conditions apply.
That isnt the question, the question was if Gus would have been an improvement over the rookie offensive coordinator we hired ? I think he would be.
Well Gus didn't want this job or any other that approached him, so it doesn't matter. Elko wasn't interested, neither were a couple others. They all knew Leach left a mess here.
Yeah Leach left a huge mess. A 9-4 season and top 20 final ranking. Going 8-8 in the SEC his final two years. Beating OM on the road. Beating Texas A&M back to back years. Huge mess.