Rover pipeline approved

dave

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Once constructed and online a lot of wells in the region can open the taps and finally sell.
 

roadtrasheer

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From my understanding,if all the permits get approved we would have to work 24/7 for 10 years & still won't be done . If history repeats itself I will end up on the keystone or somewhere in Alabama..
 

atlkvb

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That is one of a handful of similar projects just about to be constructedm

It's because Obama paved the way don't you know? In fact all of this new economic activity is only because he left us in such good shape.

No one wants to give him any credit because he's Black and you're all just a bunch of racists over there on the Right. Trump's not responsible for any of this, it's the Russians still trying to make him look good don't you know?
 

dave

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It's because Obama paved the way don't you know? In fact all of this new economic activity is only because he left us in such good shape.

No one wants to give him any credit because he's Black and you're all just a bunch of racists over there on the Right. Trump's not responsible for any of this, it's the Russians still trying to make him look good don't you know?
We can thank GW Bush for this one. His EO to suspend NEPA for Oil and Gas exploration led the discovery of all this shale and drilling.
 

atlkvb

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We can thank GW Bush for this one. His EO to suspend NEPA for Oil and Gas exploration led the discovery of all this shale and drilling.

Well then drill Baby drill!
 

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We can thank GW Bush for this one. His EO to suspend NEPA for Oil and Gas exploration led the discovery of all this shale and drilling.

I think Trump is going to be very very friendly to pipeline construction across the country
 

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I think Trump is going to be very very friendly to pipeline construction across the country

Trump will not stand in the way of our expanding domestic energy production. It's something we desperately need to help get this economy moving again.
 

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I think Trump is going to be very very friendly to pipeline construction across the country
It will be better than it was but thee whackos will still attempt to slow it everywhere they can.
 

WVPATX

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It will be better than it was but thee whackos will still attempt to slow it everywhere they can.

That's true, and slowing down a little bit is far different than stopping. And if they do slow it down, there really going to tick off a lot of unions.
 

atlkvb

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That's true, and slowing down a little bit is far different than stopping. And if they do slow it down, there really going to tick off a lot of unions.

I'm looking forward to 1.50 a gallon gasoline once the spigots get turned on.
 

WVPATX

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A lot of that is done. Gas is waiting on the pipelines to move product and demand to taise the price.

I believe the current futures price is at $3.10 per MCF. Much better than it was.
 

dave

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I'm looking forward to 1.50 a gallon gasoline once the spigots get turned on.
Gasoline will probably go up at least in the short term. Economic growth and infrastructure increases demand. Not sure how much of the shale gas will translate to petroleum.
 

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Gasoline will probably go up at least in the short term. Economic growth and infrastructure increases demand. Not sure how much of the shale gas will translate to petroleum.

If it is wet gas, then you can produce a lot of "tanes" from it. Propane and butane for example.
 

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As much as I'm for energy independence & make a living off of pipeline work & the process to get gas & oil we need honest oversight....in my 25 years of working I've never seen a contractor or corporation that truly cared about what we was messing up as long as they made money...it is a rock/hard place situation we need non political/ non profit inspection & regulations
 

dave

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As much as I'm for energy independence & make a living off of pipeline work & the process to get gas & oil we need honest oversight....in my 25 years of working I've never seen a contractor or corporation that truly cared about what we was messing up as long as they made money...it is a rock/hard place situation we need non political/ non profit inspection & regulations
By the time they break ground whatever is getting messed up should already be accounted for in permitting. Granted some dont care until the fines start piling up.
 

WVPATX

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As much as I'm for energy independence & make a living off of pipeline work & the process to get gas & oil we need honest oversight....in my 25 years of working I've never seen a contractor or corporation that truly cared about what we was messing up as long as they made money...it is a rock/hard place situation we need non political/ non profit inspection & regulations

We already have inspections and regulations. I am in the construction business and we have inspections out the wazoo. And our regulations are simply out of control. Pipelines have proven, by far, to be the most safe form of transportation for fossil fuels. Are their still leaks, spills, etc? Of course. But it sure beats the alternatives of trains, trucks, etc.
 

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We're desperately in need of it.

P&G's new plant will tap out the Eastern Panhandle until it's completed.
 

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Be even friendly if he allowed them to be the steel they want to buy.

What do you have against American steel? Against American jobs? This is why the Dems lost. Middle America is dying a slow, painful death. Trump recognized it, Hillary pandered to identity politics.

You're right, American steel will cost more. It will be paid for by companies that will pass that cost along to consumers. The left is ok with that, for example, with corporate taxes. Everyone knows those taxes are passed along.

Intellectual consistency is a beautiful thing.
 

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What do you have against American steel? Against American jobs? This is why the Dems lost. Middle America is dying a slow, painful death. Trump recognized it, Hillary pandered to identity politics.

You're right, American steel will cost more. It will be paid for by companies that will pass that cost along to consumers. The left is ok with that, for example, with corporate taxes. Everyone knows those taxes are passed along.

Intellectual consistency is a beautiful thing.
I'm against big government forcing things down business's throats. That's just the liberal in me I guess.
 

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What do you have against American steel? Against American jobs? This is why the Dems lost. Middle America is dying a slow, painful death. Trump recognized it, Hillary pandered to identity politics.

You're right, American steel will cost more. It will be paid for by companies that will pass that cost along to consumers. The left is ok with that, for example, with corporate taxes. Everyone knows those taxes are passed along.

Intellectual consistency is a beautiful thing.

Why are you against free markets?
 

roadtrasheer

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We already have inspections and regulations. I am in the construction business and we have inspections out the wazoo. And our regulations are simply out of control. Pipelines have proven, by far, to be the most safe form of transportation for fossil fuels. Are their still leaks, spills, etc? Of course. But it sure beats the alternatives of trains, trucks, etc.
We need proper inspections & regulations....I spent 8 months repairing bad gas lines in VA & MA because of no inspection back in the 80's. I'm all for regulating regulations, but I can tell you first hand that if there is not an ex Ray rig or a cwi on the job companies will tell us welders to tac & cap , & that is very dangerous when it comes to welding, & the guys Union or not that don't play the game draws the most unemployment.
 

roadtrasheer

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Pax I agree with alot of your views, & if I was better at typing & putting my thoughts on paper (screen) I could go into more detail....
 

WVUCOOPER

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Roll back regulations that cause the cost to go up too much.
Have at it. I don't know what regulations are keeping American companies from competing with Chinese companies, but let's see if it works. I'm betting it's China's wages and safety requirements that keep American Steel un- competitive. I know tariffs, quotas and government forced "choice" won't help.
 

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Have at it. I don't know what regulations are keeping American companies from competing with Chinese companies, but let's see if it works. I'm betting it's China's wages and safety requirements that keep American Steel un- competitive. I know tariffs, quotas and government forced "choice" won't help.

I'm sure you are correct on that. However, devaluating their currency is a problem. Rules surrounding the manufacture of steel hurts too.
 

WVUCOOPER

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I'm sure you are correct on that. However, devaluating their currency is a problem. Rules surrounding the manufacture of steel hurts too.
Totally agree on their currency. What do we do about it? Are we willing to start a trade war with China? I'm not so sure I am. Don't think WV coal companies would be too eager for that either.
 

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I'm against big government forcing things down business's throats. That's just the liberal in me I guess.

You mean like taxes? You mean like regulations? You mean like inspections? They do this all the time. In fact, the U.S. government makes government contractors do all sorts of things, right?

Trump did these companies a huge favor and in return wants them to use American steel. It is populist for sure, but something I support. And the pipeline companies had ZERO objections.
 

WVPATX

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We need proper inspections & regulations....I spent 8 months repairing bad gas lines in VA & MA because of no inspection back in the 80's. I'm all for regulating regulations, but I can tell you first hand that if there is not an ex Ray rig or a cwi on the job companies will tell us welders to tac & cap , & that is very dangerous when it comes to welding, & the guys Union or not that don't play the game draws the most unemployment.

I am not arguing against inspections or regulations. I am arguing against over regulation. I am arguing against unneeded regulations. I am arguing against regulations that don't meet the basic cost/benefit analysis. We are definitely over regulated.
 

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Totally agree on their currency. What do we do about it? Are we willing to start a trade war with China? I'm not so sure I am. Don't think WV coal companies would be too eager for that either.

It is a symbiotic relationship where we both have a lot at stake. Lets' let DT take a look at it. It isnt' going to get worse.