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You mean like taxes? You mean like regulations? You mean like inspections? They do this all the time. In fact, the U.S. government makes government contractors do all sorts of things, right?

Trump did these companies a huge favor and in return wants them to use American steel. It is populist for sure, but something I support. And the pipeline companies had ZERO objections.
At what point did I come across as pro taxes, regulations, etc? Trump forcing the pipeline to be built by American steel is ********. It will quietly go away.
 

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lol. I fear ol Tiny Hands is going to make it worse. Fingers crossed.

Maybe, maybe not. I feel more comfortable with him negotiating than a career bureaucrat who has never paid matching SS.
 

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Totally agree on their currency. What do we do about it? Are we willing to start a trade war with China? I'm not so sure I am. Don't think WV coal companies would be too eager for that either.

I don't want a trade war, but do we let them continue with zero retribution? We have many ways to counter their manipulation. Work with allies to grant the IMF and/or WTO more authority on this issue. Another approach is import quotas to even out the currency manipulation. If we do nothing, China's behavior will never change.
 

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At what point did I come across as pro taxes, regulations, etc? Trump forcing the pipeline to be built by American steel is ********. It will quietly go away.

It won't go away. The pipelines will use American steel.
 

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At what point did I come across as pro taxes, regulations, etc? Trump forcing the pipeline to be built by American steel is ********. It will quietly go away.

My point was and is that government imposes things all the time on businesses.
 

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I don't want a trade war, but do we let them continue with zero retribution? We have many ways to counter their manipulation. Work with allies to grant the IMF and/or WTO more authority on this issue. Another approach is import quotas to even out the currency manipulation. If we do nothing, China's behavior will never change.
Quotas failed bigly under W's administration.
 

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You thing Trump has paid a dime to SS? lmao. But point understood.

Are you really that much of a homer to think that his companies, in paying salaries for himself and all his employees have not paid into sS? How many people work for him? It's not an abstract thing when he talks about business but when a community organizer who has hung out with anarchists all his life, it is abstract when he talks about jobs.
 

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Are you really that much of a homer to think that his companies, in paying salaries for himself and all his employees have not paid into sS? How many people work for him? It's not an abstract thing when he talks about business but when a community organizer who has hung out with anarchists all his life, it is abstract when he talks about jobs.
I believe his companies have paid in to SS. I said Trump has not and I'll stand by that, but I'm glad you got to bring Obama up for to make yourself feel better(?). Has no relevance to anything in this thread.
 

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Quotas failed bigly under W's administration.

This is not a quota. This is an agreement reached between Trump and the pipelines. He gets the pipelines approved, they use American steel. No quota. It's called a deal and the pipelines could have refused.
 

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I believe his companies have paid in to SS. I said Trump has not and I'll stand by that, but I'm glad you got to bring Obama up for to make yourself feel better(?). Has no relevance to anything in this thread.

What is your basis for making this claim? Any factual basis or just a guess? Do you understand tax law in this area? Do you understand tax law for the types of partnerships/corporations Trump employs?
 

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What is your basis for making this claim? Any factual basis or just a guess? Do you understand tax law in this area? Do you understand tax law for the types of partnerships/corporations Trump employs?
Guess. Based on the 1 year of tax returns leaked and the assumption Trump's accountants have a functioning brain. I do understand tax laws for partnerships/corps/scorps and real estate professionals.
 

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This is not a quota. This is an agreement reached between Trump and the pipelines. He gets the pipelines approved, they use American steel. No quota. It's called a deal and the pipelines could have refused.
Hmmmm. I think we have 2 different topics going on in this thread. I mentioned quotas failing in response to this quote from you: "I don't want a trade war, but do we let them continue with zero retribution? We have many ways to counter their manipulation. Work with allies to grant the IMF and/or WTO more authority on this issue. Another approach is import quotas to even out the currency manipulation. If we do nothing, China's behavior will never change."

Had nothing to do with the pipeline, imo.
 

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I believe his companies have paid in to SS. I said Trump has not and I'll stand by that, but I'm glad you got to bring Obama up for to make yourself feel better(?). Has no relevance to anything in this thread.

I guarantee he has paid the max every year for a long time. Unlike the child molester HarryReid, I know he has. There's no way around it he has made over 125,000 every year.
 

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Guess. Based on the 1 year of tax returns leaked and the assumption Trump's accountants have a functioning brain. I do understand tax laws for partnerships/corps/scorps and real estate professionals.

SS taxes are paid based on individual earnings. If you are employed you pay half and the company matches. If you are self employed, you pay the full amount. Thus, in Trump's partnerships, he is considered self employed. He therefore pays roughly 15% in SS taxes on his share of earnings paid to him by that partnership. For his C corps, he pays roughly 7.5% on his salaried earnings, but if he owns the company then his company matches, which means he and his company pay the full 15%. If he has multi-member LLC's they are treated as Partnerships and he pays the full 15% on all LLC income attributed to him.

Again, not sure how you can conclude he pays no SS taxes, unless all of his companies lose money.
 

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Hmmmm. I think we have 2 different topics going on in this thread. I mentioned quotas failing in response to this quote from you: "I don't want a trade war, but do we let them continue with zero retribution? We have many ways to counter their manipulation. Work with allies to grant the IMF and/or WTO more authority on this issue. Another approach is import quotas to even out the currency manipulation. If we do nothing, China's behavior will never change."

Had nothing to do with the pipeline, imo.

I thought you were referring to the pipeline. If China continues manipulation, we must take action. It's all about leverage. Bills have been proposed to punish China for this action, including import quotas and tariffs to equalize the currency manipulation. Others feel that more power should be invested in either/or the IMF and the WTO to establish penalties for all.

I am ok with any of this if it stops the unfair manipulation.
 

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I guarantee he has paid the max every year for a long time. Unlike the child molester HarryReid, I know he has. There's no way around it he has made over 125,000 every year.
There is more than 1 way around it.
 

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SS taxes are paid based on individual earnings. If you are employed you pay half and the company matches. If you are self employed, you pay the full amount. Thus, in Trump's partnerships, he is considered self employed. He therefore pays roughly 15% in SS taxes on his share of earnings paid to him by that partnership. For his C corps, he pays roughly 7.5% on his salaried earnings, but if he owns the company then his company matches, which means he and his company pay the full 15%. If he has multi-member LLC's they are treated as Partnerships and he pays the full 15% on all LLC income attributed to him.

Again, not sure how you can conclude he pays no SS taxes, unless all of his companies lose money.
lol. Thanks, I had no idea. What you said makes sense for 99.9% of Americans. Donald Trump, fortunately for him, does not fall in to that camp. Again, based on the huge loss from the leaked year and the field he works in, I'll stand by my guess. Once he releases his tax returns we'll get it all figured out.
 

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There is more than 1 way around it.

My wife took real estate professional. "She" not me, owns 4 rental properties. That's what's wrong with our tax code. Buffet gets all his money in dividends so he doesn't have to pay income tax, only capital gains.
 

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My wife took real estate professional. "She" not me, owns 4 rental properties. That's what's wrong with our tax code. Buffet gets all his money in dividends so he doesn't have to pay income tax, only capital gains.

Neither the dividend nor the capital gains tax has anything to do with Social Security taxes. Capital gains are taxed at 20%. Dividends are normally taxed at ordinary income except in special circumstances regarding qualified dividends.

And don't forget, the corporation pays taxes on all its income. Some of it's income could then be distributed to owners in the form of dividends which is taxed yet again. That is double taxation on the same amount of income. First at the corporate level then at the individual level.

As for capital gains being taxed at a favorable rate, that is because we have decided that the formation of capital to start and grow businesses is very, very important to our economy. So we try and encourage people to save and invest to help grow the economy and jobs. Capital formation is critical to these two goals. And keep in mind, capital gains are not indexed for inflation. So if I own a property for 10 years, The original investment I made in dollars is not increased by inflation on an annual basis. Thus my capital gain it's much larger than it would be otherwise and the corresponding taxes much higher.
 

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Neither the dividend nor the capital gains tax has anything to do with Social Security taxes. Capital gains are taxed at 20%. Dividends are normally taxed at ordinary income except in special circumstances regarding qualified dividends.

And don't forget, the corporation pays taxes on all its income. Some of it's income could then be distributed to owners in the form of dividends which is taxed yet again. That is double taxation on the same amount of income. First at the corporate level then at the individual level.

As for capital gains being taxed at a favorable rate, that is because we have decided that the formation of capital to start and grow businesses is very, very important to our economy. So we try and encourage people to save and invest to help grow the economy and jobs. Capital formation is critical to these two goals. And keep in mind, capital gains are not indexed for inflation. So if I own a property for 10 years, The original investment I made in dollars is not increased by inflation on an annual basis. Thus my capital gain it's much larger than it would be otherwise and the corresponding taxes much higher.
I though cap gains was 15% right now, state is 5%.