I know it has been discussed and all but I still don't get it. How is the bears RPI so high and ours is below them? We beat the higher ranked teams at their place. I know we had a few cream puffs but so have they. I saw we beat them f@ckers 15-0 this tuesday and show the world they are not in the same league.
RPI
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rpi has no idea who you beat. None.
rpi has no idea who you beat. None.
rpi has no idea who you beat. None.
rpi has no idea who you beat. None.
rpi has no idea who you beat. None.
rpi has no idea who you beat. None.
rpi has no idea who you beat. None.
rpi has no idea who you beat. None.
rpi has no idea who you beat. None.
rpi has no idea who you beat. None.
Because who you beat doesn't factor into RPI. Only who you play and what your record is (home/away).
So if you beat a high RPI team 2/3 on the road and then lose to a low RPI team 2/3 on the road, the RPI is the same as if you flip the wins and losses, or if you sweep one and get swept by the other. All the RPI cares is that you played Team A and Team B in 6 games on the road (3 each) and went 3-3.
MSU's RPI is where it is because of the home losses and the 3 games against UTM, Alcorn, and Valley. Ole Miss also played UTM, but Grambling is at 230 while Alcorn and Valley are 293 and 300 (out of 300).
Guys, RPI is a fundamentally flawed formula. Mississippi played a 3-game series against a top 10 team in non-conference and also scheduled more 51-200 RPI teams and fewer 200+ teams than we did. They also don't have as many home losses as we do, and their away record is very comparable to ours (others have pointed out that RPI doesn't know or care that our away wins are much more impressive than theirs are).
That's a committee consideration, though. RPI isn't intended to tell the whole story, but the formula is well known by everyone in the sport.
I'll never get how RPI came to be seen as the most important number in baseball and basketball. To me, it's awesome as a check to make sure you're taking SOS into account and gives you a tool to compare dominant teams in bad conferences and middling teams in good conferences, but for basketball at least, it seems it would be much more reliable to start off with human votes and then look to RPI.
Baseball may be different since you have basically different teams each night depending on who the starter is, so RPI may give a better idea of which teams are better taking their entire pitching staff into account.
The idea that 75% of the most important figure in postseason selection is out of your control the minute you set the schedule is bothersome as hell. If you have a system that encourage cancelling one game of a dh or hoping for a rainout you have problems.
The distorted home road weighting is bad. Its actually not even meant to represent value. It was done so state om lsu etc wouldnt play 20 ooc home games. It was to encourage them to go on the road. But Why should state or om get twice the credit for beating uab there vs at home? Why should beating florida at home 2 of 3 be considered breaking even
Also as you note its meant to take SOS into acct so it drives me nuts when resumes are compared that show both rpi and SOS. You essentially get twice the credit or twice the punishment for the same thing
They need a tool to pare down the teams to choose from so rpi is helpful there because you cant use an eye test on 300 teams.
The distorted home road weighting is bad. Its actually not even meant to represent value. It was done so state om lsu etc wouldnt play 20 ooc home games. It was to encourage them to go on the road. But Why should state or om get twice the credit for beating uab there vs at home? Why should beating florida at home 2 of 3 be considered breaking even
Also as you note its meant to take SOS into acct so it drives me nuts when resumes are compared that show both rpi and SOS. You essentially get twice the credit or twice the punishment for the same thing
They need a tool to pare down the teams to choose from so rpi is helpful there because you cant use an eye test on 300 teams.
I agree the weights are a bit too much (I favor a 1.15/0.85 split), but it was derived based on home team win percentage over like 10 seasons worth of data. So it at least has some logic to where it came from, though whether that being the best weight can obviously still be argued.
And it actually wasn't so that State, Ole Miss, and LSU wouldn't play 20 home nonconference games, it was to even out the impact for northern teams that had to travel a lot to start the season due to weather.
It's become a game, though, for some of them. Take SEMO for example. They aren't even in real danger of weather issues, but they've gamed the system. They are 0-5 vs Top 50 RPI, and 17-0 vs sub-200, but they've played 26 road games to only 13 home games, so their RPI is currently 37. They will very likely be in the NCAAT as a 3-seed strictly because of playing so many road games and not losing the few home games that they have (12-1 so far).
I also do agree with you that SOS shouldn't account for 75% of the formula. I would like it to be 50% record, 35% Opp record, 15% Opp opp record.
And it actually wasn't so that State, Ole Miss, and LSU wouldn't play 20 home nonconference games, it was to even out the impact for northern teams that had to travel a lot to start the season due to weather.
It's become a game, though, for some of them. Take SEMO for example. They aren't even in real danger of weather issues, but they've gamed the system. They are 0-5 vs Top 50 RPI, and 17-0 vs sub-200, but they've played 26 road games to only 13 home games, so their RPI is currently 37. They will very likely be in the NCAAT as a 3-seed strictly because of playing so many road games and not losing the few home games that they have (12-1 so far).
I also do agree with you that SOS shouldn't account for 75% of the formula. I would like it to be 50% record, 35% Opp record, 15% Opp opp record.
This^^^
OM's NCSoS, for all intents and purposes, is a great deal better than ours (for instance) because of UL and CC...and the really ****** teams they scheduled aren't quite as ****** as States. This, of course, wouldn't be the case if Oregon/USC/Oklahoma didn't end up being as bad as they were. Also, losing those two midweek games really hurt.
To me, though, our conference schedule should outweigh that.
However, at the end of the day, it's clear who the better team is, and I like where we are, today.
If we take care of business, from here on out, and don't lose focus, we'll be fine, and everything will work out.
OM's NCSoS, for all intents and purposes, is a great deal better than ours (for instance) because of UL and CC...and the really ****** teams they scheduled aren't quite as ****** as States. This, of course, wouldn't be the case if Oregon/USC/Oklahoma didn't end up being as bad as they were. Also, losing those two midweek games really hurt.
To me, though, our conference schedule should outweigh that.
However, at the end of the day, it's clear who the better team is, and I like where we are, today.
If we take care of business, from here on out, and don't lose focus, we'll be fine, and everything will work out.
Don't worry. Successful Msstate teams never take care of business and maintain focus. I think this team is more likely to play .500 SEC ball the rest of the way than take a leap forward and get some sweeps. And that will be fine. Because we can be paired against FSU/Miami/whoever and beat their *** in Florida.
