Rumor that Dee Bost is, eh, trying for the draft
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Hanmudog said:
Zimmerman? He averaged 9 points a game and shot 29% from 3 as a SENIOR...and turned it over just as much or more...
Chucky??? Chucky was a sweet PG, but was overmatched when he had to defend and was very limited with his outside shot
Bullard? Yeah, I loved Bullard too, but Dee is a better PG..Bullard was better suited to be a SG
Jamont? Jamont was a small forward playing point- Dee is a legitimate PG...he handles the ball much better than Jamont and shoots from outside better- hell Jamont only shot 32% from 3 his junior year- Dee 35% as a Soph
Dee is a good PG and I hope he stays another year because he needs it- but I can easily see him on an NBA roster in the future
They are way better than Bullard, Z, and Evans ever thought about being. Gordon was playing out of position but was still pretty good as a point guard. His talent alone let him have the ability to play any position on the floor except the 5.
I'm surprised we didn't actually have fistfights between players. Oh wait, we did have at least 1 that we know of. We had several cancers in the locker room on this team,and Kodi and Dee were the poster children. I haven't hated an MSU team as much as this basketball team since the 2003 football team.Coach34 said:
Could be just like a lot of athletes poor attendance. Yes it was obviously apparent that Dee is not happy. I don't think I have ever seen him crack a smile.
Players bicker at each other, it happens at a lot of places. And I don't think you saw players standing away from the huddle b/c you never go to a damn game, you're behind your computer 24/7.
John Wall and Cal traded shots at each other through the media, it happens. People get over it and move on.
My point is, he would be an idiot to transfer. He'd be wasting a year and only have one left to play, and I highly doubt he'd get the chance to have the whole team run through him and take any shot he likes like he does here. Trying to go to the NBA right now is a different matter though and might explain his twitter(that dawg@usm is extremely ghey for following) </p>
John Wall and Cal traded shots at each other through the media, it happens. People get over it and move on.
My point is, he would be an idiot to transfer. He'd be wasting a year and only have one left to play, and I highly doubt he'd get the chance to have the whole team run through him and take any shot he likes like he does here. Trying to go to the NBA right now is a different matter though and might explain his twitter(that dawg@usm is extremely ghey for following) </p>
I got a friend that is in a class with Dee and Twany . He said Dee has only been there a couple of times and didnt even show up for their test.
the 17'ing stats Pat called out and said Jamont was better was flat-out wrong except points and rebounds...
And let's be honest- Jamont was looking to score every trip down the court- he took 100 more shots than Bost did ...that team was Gordon and Rhodes shoot and let the rest get what they can...Dee played on a team with 5 guys looking to score...
So the scoring difference should be the way it is
And Bost averaged more steals and shot it better from the FT line you doorknob
So to recap, Bost had better numbers in assists, turnovers, steals, FT percentage, and shot it better from 3
as I said Bost > Gordon as a PG
And let's be honest- Jamont was looking to score every trip down the court- he took 100 more shots than Bost did ...that team was Gordon and Rhodes shoot and let the rest get what they can...Dee played on a team with 5 guys looking to score...
So the scoring difference should be the way it is
And Bost averaged more steals and shot it better from the FT line you doorknob
So to recap, Bost had better numbers in assists, turnovers, steals, FT percentage, and shot it better from 3
as I said Bost > Gordon as a PG
Probably a 2nd rounder? I am a nerd for keeping up with the college draft rumors and havent heard ANYTHING or seen ANYTHING that would suggest he is 2nd round material. Now perhaps that is because nobody has thought there is a chance of him leaving,but that only further solidifies how little he has been viewed as a '10 draft pick.Coach34 said:
I do like how you say all he has to do is cut down on some turnovers and knock down the 3 a little more often. That is hilariously great. As if its just that easy. Snap your fingers and those turnoverswill be cut down and that deep shot wont be so streaky.
Its TOUGH AS HELL tobe a PG and reduce turnovers(while keeping assists the same) and increase 3pt shooting(while shooting as often). All he has to do? Is that it? No desire to say he should also lift a car?...because thats just as easy.
This draft is shaping up to be SATURATED with players because of the threat of a lockout next season. He isnt early2nd roundmaterial, and late 2nd round picks areusuallyflush with foreign players that teams can just keep overseas to get better.
I would love to see him drafted, but he will have to really really impress at workouts and suddenly be able to hitdeep jumpers better.
No harm indeclaring andgoing thru theprocess though.
If Bost is the best we have ever had then we have a crappy history of point guards. Bost is moody which makes him a poor leader, erratic, and makes poor decisions on the break. Like I said he has the potential to be the best ever but if I was starting a team of all time greats at MSU right now Bost would not be on it. That is just my opinion. Bost hasfew of the intangibles you look for in a point guard.
If you had one minute left in a game at MSU and needed a PG that you trusted to make the right decisions to win the game either by passing it off or scoring, what PG would you want? Me? I would take Zimmerman. He was tough minded, smart,and impacted the game in more ways than just shooting (thankfully because he was not much of a shooter).
If you had one minute left in a game at MSU and needed a PG that you trusted to make the right decisions to win the game either by passing it off or scoring, what PG would you want? Me? I would take Zimmerman. He was tough minded, smart,and impacted the game in more ways than just shooting (thankfully because he was not much of a shooter).
Jamont Gordon - 15.0 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 4.9 apg.Coach34 said:
Dee Bost - 11.9 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 4.8 apg.
Still sure Bost has "far and away the best stats of any PG we have had in our history as compared to those guys in their 1st 2 years."
ETA: I like Dee Bost alot. I said the daywe signed him that hecould go down as the best PG in our history. And if he gets his **** together, I still think he could. But right now, Jamont Gordon is the best PG we've ever had after 2 seasons.
all these numbers are their 2 Fresh-Soph combined averages- rounded up at .5.......
Points- Ja-Money 14.9.....Bost 12.0...advantage Ja-Money
Rebounds- Ja-Money 7.0.....Bost 4.0...advantage Ja-Money
Assists- Ja-Money 4.8.....Bost 4.8.....even
Turnovers- Ja-Money 4.1.....Bost 3.1.....advantage Bost
Steals- Ja-Money 1.2.....Bost 1.4.....advantage Bost
FG%- Ja-Money 41.4%.....Bost 37.7.....advantage Ja-Money
3pt%- Ja-Money 30.4%.....Bost 34.4%.....advantage Bost
FT%- Ja-Money 67.7%.....Bost 72%.....advantage Bost
So we got Bost with 4 wins, Ja-Money with 3, and a push....and rebounds is not an important category with which to measure a PG, not to mention Gordon almost never guarded the other team's PG because he wasnt quick enough and had to guard a bigger player...
Bost has the overall better numbers...and rebounds only makes it even close
Bost > Gordon
Points- Ja-Money 14.9.....Bost 12.0...advantage Ja-Money
Rebounds- Ja-Money 7.0.....Bost 4.0...advantage Ja-Money
Assists- Ja-Money 4.8.....Bost 4.8.....even
Turnovers- Ja-Money 4.1.....Bost 3.1.....advantage Bost
Steals- Ja-Money 1.2.....Bost 1.4.....advantage Bost
FG%- Ja-Money 41.4%.....Bost 37.7.....advantage Ja-Money
3pt%- Ja-Money 30.4%.....Bost 34.4%.....advantage Bost
FT%- Ja-Money 67.7%.....Bost 72%.....advantage Bost
So we got Bost with 4 wins, Ja-Money with 3, and a push....and rebounds is not an important category with which to measure a PG, not to mention Gordon almost never guarded the other team's PG because he wasnt quick enough and had to guard a bigger player...
Bost has the overall better numbers...and rebounds only makes it even close
Bost > Gordon
I think Jamont is more talented than Bost and is the overall better basketball player. In the ideal scenario, I would put Jamont on the wing and Dee at PG, but since that can't happen and I have to pick one, I'm taking Jamont.Coach34 said:
These numbers certainly don't indicate that Dee is "far and away" better than Jamont. Also, 2.9 ppg and 3 rpg is worth something.
patdog said:
Ja-money is going to score more points- he was the first option to score on the teams he played for- and like most PG's- Dee isn't...
Ja-money is going to get more rebounds, he had to guard the other team's small forwards- Dee cant get as many rebounds guarding the other team's PG
But I want my PG's to average less turnovers, shoot the 3 well, distribute the ball, get some steals, and shoot FT's well because he will have the ball most of the time at the end of the game.
Ja-money was a good basketball player forced into a PG role
Bost is a PG who is a good basketball player
Give me Bost anyday to be my PG
To pass:
1. Chuck Evans
2. TJ Honore
3. Todd Myles
To shoot from outside the paint:
1. Timmy Bowers
2. Dee Bost
3. Bart Hyche
To drive and shoot from the paint
1. Jamont
2. Jamont
3. Jamont
4. Zimmerman
To turn it over and lose the game:
1. Gary Ervin
2. Trey Moore
3. Jamont Gordon
If I don't get to pick the situation but have to pick a PG
1. Timmy Bowers
2. Jamont Gordon
3. TJ Honore
Jamont is the better college player hands down when you look at the stats no matter how you pick and choose which ones to look at. With all that said, Bost is more of a prototypical NBA PG but im still not sure he'd be a 2nd rounder this year. He has to show consistency. If he played the entire year like he did the second half of conference play, he'd damn near be a first rounder but he actually struggled most of the season. If he plays next year like he did towrds the end of the season, his Junior year could definitely be his last at MSU.
And none of thatmakes his a 2nd round draft pick if he left today. He isnt even on the radar of sites that literally scout with the scouts and talk directly with the NBA decision makers.Coach34 said:
The thing to keep in mind on the stat comparasion. Is that Jamont had the ball in his hand 90% of the time and shot the ball most possessions. Bost does all the things you want a PG to do......less turnovers, more assists......and almost has the same points per game as Jamont.
Bost all day, every day.
On the subject in general........F**** I hate being a State fan. Always some damn drama. Transfers, coaches leaving, NCAA, arrest....
Bost all day, every day.
On the subject in general........F**** I hate being a State fan. Always some damn drama. Transfers, coaches leaving, NCAA, arrest....
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