Schiano gets the benefit of the doubt going into the MSU and Indiana games that he has indeed made progress, win those two games and even those skeptical of Schiano 2.0 will have to admit he has the program on the right path in year 4, however, lose either of those games and the Schiano supporters should . . . . Well, we all know the story, the Schiano cult will come to his defense even if we lose both games 50-0. That's just the way it works around here.
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if RU wins both games the haters will look for other things to complain about and find fault in those victories.
Past coaches were lousy but that shouldn’t be the bar. 4 years into a new regime the bar should be higher than a 6 win ceiling.
“Not as lousy” is hardly a reason to be satisfied with what he’s done in 3.5 years.
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not only that but Flood could out coach and the get the most out of the kids he had far better than Greg.
This year’s team has already exceeded my expectations. I looked at our schedule and our talent, and predicted 4 wins. I think that we have to get to five wins to support the “making progress” narrative, and 6 wins would be outstanding given our tough schedule. All that being said, let’s take it one game at a time and hope to continue our home unbeaten streak this week.
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Man.. the haters are out in force as they were preseason... before we went 4-0 to start. They got in their shots when we were 0-0 and now they saw a lot of Rutgers fans thought we could possibly beat Wisconsin so they are back to spread their special brand of misery again... before we might win a couple and become bowl eligible.
They get "in there" again to stake their future "I told you so" claims should Rutgers falter.
It is sad and disgusting that feel some satisfaction in doing so.
They get "in there" again to stake their future "I told you so" claims should Rutgers falter.
It is sad and disgusting that feel some satisfaction in doing so.
RU matches up poorly with Maryland because they score points.
this is why there is no meaningful dialogue or real discussion. No one is hating; we have people that see things more realistically and want accountability and those that think we were an INT from beating Wisconsin.
you are disingenuous
true, we don't have an offense that is built to score a lot of points so if we fall behind, it's that much harder to come back
4 is where most had their floor with 5 being possible
I cut team some slack because of CV-19 fiasco at Schiano's 2.0 start.
But truth is this team has been hard to get excited over with the endless baby steps and pitfalls
No winning season in a long time - just early low calorie wins to pad the W column and then the beatdowns.
Anyone really think RU is going give PSU and OSU good games?
I've always liked Greg a lot because he's a good guy and gets really likeable players.
I like Greg's juice on defense and he does develop good defensive players.
On offense its an endless slog - always playing not to lose and no killer instinct
Greg is one of the those great DC but no offense guys
I thought Greg was great in early aughties but looking back he got luck to have a OL and Rice/Leonard.
I've seen 2 dramatic CFB turnarounds up close (Army and Colorado) and it doesnt have to take a half dozen years.
Monken is very smart about football and he's a program driver - changed recruiting in 2 years.
The players pick-up on his drive and you don't feel that with RU.
Greg did have it 20 years ago so I know what it looks like.
Obviously the B1G is harder than the BE but I think it should have made recruiting better.
RU always seems to wait for the star position coach to arrive and make recruiting miracles.
Think Sanders hope his DB coach pulls players in?
Colorado was a real punch in the face.
Coach comes in and tells team of transfers he doesnt have time for them to grow-up (whoa - shocker)
Shedeur was a 3 star for class of 21 - now he has most yards in CFB (2000+) with 16 TDs and 2 INTs
His best WR has been injured for 3 weeks, his OL sucks and run game is mediocre.
Peach Bowl wants the team and recruits are banging on the doors from coast to coast.
Army was a 15 year loser with a few wins a year
Moken's third year he was 8-5, then 10-3 and then 11-2.
They took Michigan, Oklahoma (top 10) and Wisconsin to OTs with mostly 2* players.
The program was being driven and not just coasting in neutral hoping players "mature" every year.
I know people can resent the toxic attitude but the truth is a lot of people are just rooting for laundry (and its not cheap).
I like the game of football and have to like the players and coach on my teams (including pros)
But I also want to see striving and competition.
Football DEMANDS a fighting spirit from all involved.
Playing not to lose and hoping recruits show signs of life is dull
I see guys like Langan have that, but the offense is so weird that the kid gets rocked every game
He gets dull "safe" plays that the defense knows is coming and defenders just whallop him - Its hard to watch because it doesn't have to be that way but that's RU's janky offense
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Maryland is a decent team this year. They held on with OSU the first half on Saturday and have the ability to put up points in bunches.
Iowa on the other hand has the worst offense in college football. An indescribably bad offense.
Iowa fans will be the first to tell you they are easily the worst 5-1 team in the country and honestly one of the worst 5-1 teams in recent memory. That have a great defense as always but the offense is a trainwreck
Iowa on the other hand has the worst offense in college football. An indescribably bad offense.
Iowa fans will be the first to tell you they are easily the worst 5-1 team in the country and honestly one of the worst 5-1 teams in recent memory. That have a great defense as always but the offense is a trainwreck
Some stats can be deceiving. Going into the Wisconsin game Rutgers scored 30.8 points and 346.6 yards of total offense per game. Not much different than Wisconsin. Most here don't think our offense is that good but you say Wisconsin stats are good.
Nor did he look at the opposition. 500+ yards against Buffalo and 450+ against GA Southern.
Are you counting Wagner? Wisconsin only played FBS level competition. Georgia Southern is 4-1 in the Sun Belt and much better than Temple.
To put things in perspective, Maryland replaced their OC after an 8-5 season where they scored 28 points per game. They also have a QB that has actually improved during his career there.
The situation at Iowa is ridiculous. They spit out NFL quality O-linemen and TEs like Toyota spits out cars. The fact that their offense is so bad is a coaching problem.
what makes what I said "disingenuous"?
The thoughts are genuine. So are what we have seen from the haters. If you feel you identify yourself as one of the people to which I refer, that is on you.
Actually- I d believe Flood was a better game day coach, but Greg did get more out of his players. Often, the kids succeeded out of spite- but somehow it worked. lol
So if we beat MSU and IU, we will be on the level of Iowa?
Yes I do think Wisconsin is good. They will win the B1GW easily. They will probably have 8 wins, which is pretty good.
Have no idea about Iowa as I said. Only saw them briefly against Penn State. Besides it doesn't work that way.
I genuinely do not believe Iowa is much if any better than us this year. Their offense is historically awful. I heard a stat on sports talk the other day that stated Iowa has not converted a single 3rd and 10 all season… Not one in 6 games!
Realistically it’s just a matter of jumping out to a lead on them and playing sound, turnover free football the rest of the way.
Iowa is extremely winnable
In just my opinion for 2023...Maryland is currently the best of Maryland, Wisc, Iowa, Rutgers
Wisc is number 2 and Iowa/Rutgers could be argued to be about even.
Someone earlier mentioned Wisky and scoring 30+ a game being impressive. That can be so deceptive. We are scoring almost 28 per game. And we know our offense sucks. lol
On the other hand- our defense is better than all of them as well.
This is one year that if we were in the Est division- we could have actually been thinking about running the table. how crazy is that. The East is just crazy ahead of the west.
Wisc is number 2 and Iowa/Rutgers could be argued to be about even.
Someone earlier mentioned Wisky and scoring 30+ a game being impressive. That can be so deceptive. We are scoring almost 28 per game. And we know our offense sucks. lol
On the other hand- our defense is better than all of them as well.
This is one year that if we were in the Est division- we could have actually been thinking about running the table. how crazy is that. The East is just crazy ahead of the west.
You have to keep in mind that Buffalo is horrible this year and that Wagner is better then they were last year. They may be able to give Buffalo a battle if they had played this year. Purdue ad VaTech are pretty much equal. Wisc's one good team it played- Wash St- Well, they do not exactly have a great defense.
You make a lot of good points about Colorado and Army. Although Army’s style made it easier to contend and get up to speed . But the common denominator in both those teams is really good smart QB play.
That is what was missing from Greg’s 2.0 until this year. Year 1/2 was trying to dig out from the mess from Ash. Year 3 turned into a disaster with Gleason’s firing , Gavin not being ready , Gavin getting hurt , Simon throwing interceptions causing losses in 2 games.
Finally an established OC comes in, kinda like what you are saying about Monken , who was head coach and OC at Army , and Kirk has transformed Gavin to our first functional offense in maybe a decade. Gavin has progressed a lot but has to take that next step.
Your comparison is also a little harder to make because we play Michigan , Ohio State and Penn State every year and not 1 time like Army did with Oklahoma and others. Plus our 3 were all Playoff caliber teams not overrated .
Offense potency is what has held Schiano 2.0 back and likely cost us a chance at a win at Wisconsin and at Michigan to a lesser extent ( Defense played lousy there ) . That has to be improved and I hope Kirk opens up the offense more so we have a chance to improve it and for Gavin to improve even more.
You are comparing an FBS Buffalo team with wins over Akron and Central Michigan to FCS Wagner with wins over St. Francis and Merrimack? You do realize that Akron is also the only FBS win for Temple? Temple and Wagner would be a close game in which Wagner might win.
I would slow down on Colorado. Let's see how much of a turnaround it really is- they beat TCU that ends up not being good- Nebraska, that isnt that good Colorado St(2 OT) who sucks as does Arz St.- and barely beat them.
His recruiting isnt bad- looks almost exactly like ours.
both Buffalo and Wagner lost to Fordham. Though Buffalo did play them tougher. I didn't say Wagner would beat them, I said they may give them a battle this year.
you may be right the more I think about it. Greg commands a respect that Flood never did and by default, the kids gave more or appear to. That's a good call on your part
coaching side of it though, Flood owns Greg and would trash him head to head with like talent. Flood was not bad on gameday at all
Bottom line:
The Scarlet Knights beat the programs they were expected do beat
One (P-5 & BIG) by a 24-7 score.
The (G-5) next was a 36-7 win
Another P-5 game wound up 35-16 in RU's favor.
A loss to a top program 36-7 ( ranked #2 in top 25)
A win against cupcake sacrificial lamb opponent 52- 3
A 24-13 loss, at their house, to a good program expected to win by most so called experts .Which was considered a top 25 team preseason
College football rankings: ESPN reveals Week 1 top 25 poll - College Football HQ
AP top 25 ranking: No. 19
Where Wisconsin is: There's a lot to like about the changes that Wisconsin has made in an eventful offseason, hiring Luke Fickell away from Cincinnati as head coach and his bringing on Phil Longo as offensive coordinator. Add in transfer quarterback Tanner Mordecai — who had over 7,100 yards passing and 72 touchdown passes the last two seasons — and transfer receivers Bryson Green and C.J. Williams, and the Badgers are poised to spread Big Ten defenses out in a big way. That's in addition to returning tailback Braelon Allen, the thousand-yard rusher who will get some pressure taken off him to help balance things out. Watch for a major litmus test on Oct. 28 as Wisconsin welcomes Ohio State to Camp Randall.
https://www.si.com/fannation/colleg...ootball-rankings-espn-top-25-poll-2023-season
The Scarlet Knights beat the programs they were expected do beat
One (P-5 & BIG) by a 24-7 score.
The (G-5) next was a 36-7 win
Another P-5 game wound up 35-16 in RU's favor.
A loss to a top program 36-7 ( ranked #2 in top 25)
A win against cupcake sacrificial lamb opponent 52- 3
A 24-13 loss, at their house, to a good program expected to win by most so called experts .Which was considered a top 25 team preseason
College football rankings: ESPN reveals Week 1 top 25 poll - College Football HQ
18. Wisconsin
Where Wisconsin was: 7-6 (4-5 Big Ten)AP top 25 ranking: No. 19
Where Wisconsin is: There's a lot to like about the changes that Wisconsin has made in an eventful offseason, hiring Luke Fickell away from Cincinnati as head coach and his bringing on Phil Longo as offensive coordinator. Add in transfer quarterback Tanner Mordecai — who had over 7,100 yards passing and 72 touchdown passes the last two seasons — and transfer receivers Bryson Green and C.J. Williams, and the Badgers are poised to spread Big Ten defenses out in a big way. That's in addition to returning tailback Braelon Allen, the thousand-yard rusher who will get some pressure taken off him to help balance things out. Watch for a major litmus test on Oct. 28 as Wisconsin welcomes Ohio State to Camp Randall.
https://www.si.com/fannation/colleg...ootball-rankings-espn-top-25-poll-2023-season
Wagner lost 46-16 to Fordham. Buffalo was up 21-3 on Fordham and lifted their foot off the pedal and it came back to bite them when they missed a game tying field goal late. The better comparison is Temple and Buffalo both beating Akron by 3 points. Temple and Buffalo are probably pretty comparable.
Temple does suck...agree on that one. lol
But the real point is that Wisc really hasnt beaten any power houses either.
Just stop!!! They are playing competent football. GW and the entire team are getting valuable experience. They are improving. Schiano laid it out quite clearly several times, While Rutgers is getting better so too are the Elite teams. They are not standing still and waiting for Rutgers to catch up. With that said, Rutgers is improving, recruiting is getting better and I still believe that HCGS is going to get us to the promised land! So suck egg Shelby65.
Quick answer, yes. Both games later in the season, we simply are not as deep yet at each position as other B1G teams in the 4th year of the rebuild. Those teams have the ability to absorb more injuries to key players.
Army's style and lack of repeat league opponents defo helped but they were running option all the years they were losing.
Monken's big change was taking his Georgia Southern and Hawaii experience and recruiting the whole nation and especially the southern states. Ellerson had two players from Florida and a half dozen more from GA, Carolinas et al. By his third year Monken had almost 30 players from southern states. No more reliance on WRs from Newburgh and Croton.
Monken also worked the USMA brass over with Bo Corrigan. Since Ellerson coached at Hawaii with Paul Johnson he was not intimidated by West Point. Earlier coaches felt they had to defer to military brass and not make waves but Monken was like "You want to to coach and win or not? Players dont need to do USMA PT training while summer football camp." So the rules got changed - including the weight requirements that even Navy routinely waved with medical exemptions. Navy would have 6 300+lb players on roster and Army's biggest guy would be 270. As I wrote above, Moken was a driver of the whole Army football train. A lot of little changes made for big changes.
Monken is also really smart. Ask him what happened on any play and he wont say "I have to see the video." He'll say a play didn't work because a tackle used his hands wrong when blocking the edge. I don't know how he did it but he always had answers.
I know Army has an edge not playing big teams in a league every year. But at the same time the players they get are mostly low/no stars who still need some academic promise (more guys do get in trouble with less strict demands). Monken gets the players to have an OG attitude. They come to play and dont care who against. The days of losing to Stony Brook and Yale dont happen anymore. Of course since the NCAA basically banned the option they have to work around that at a time when many people dont want to join military (which was never even true when wars were on).
Colorado had been decimated for a decade and more. As we know, football and basketball pay the bills for other sports and at Colorado they were running dry. The current AD had hired 4 coaches (and a black coach before Deion). Now millions are rolling in to the whole team, the college and Boulder. They've set viewer records, soldout season tickets and filled their stadium and other while being the highest priced ticket. Next year the roster will have more stars than the Mily Way - and most will be good citizens. Nike execs and Phil Knight were all over Dieon at Oregon game. They want in on Colorado like many others.
If they lose the rest of their games it wont matter. The buzz is real and not a fad. Deion knows he needs 5-7 more studs and he'll probaty get a couple dozen. There are lots of top players on SEC teams that find themselves on bad teams all of a sudden. The portal will run as hell when its open. Only thing that can stop things is if Sanders gets sick, dies etc. He's on an edge healthwise. He missed meeting last week and looked sick on sideline last week
A thing people don't realize is that Sanders is a huge father figure to players and others. The fact he has his own kids on teams helps. I knew that would happen since I knew what changes Sanders had made after suicide attempt years ago.
Lil Wayne on Sanders as afather firgure. I dont like Rap mostly but Wayne is smart