Do you have a link to this data? You would have to compare draws against common opponents (like BC), game times, and blips like playing Notre Dame.
Rutgers shows everyone where the green is
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Agree. The RAC was a ghost town for many years. The board argued if it was a facilities problem with the RAC, and much of the reason recruiting suffered and losing continued across multiple coaches.
Then when winning happened the facilities argument pretty much went away with the RAC.
You don't know that population means nothing. That is ignorant. I'm guessing you went to Camden.
Not completely pointless because it defines maximum potential. In addition, RU gets a major upgrade from adding 1 percent of the population as fans. That does not apply to many teams.
Which kinda goes back to what I was saying earlier and have been for awhile…
Just consistently getting only to the winning level will do wonders here (perception and coverage) that other teams just don’t get or have.
Here is 2022 link.
We are ranked way down near the bottom of all P5 teams for TV viewership. #58 on the ratings.
Thanks for providing the link. I have to say that the numbers don't appear to make sense. Does anyone else feel the same? For example, an unremarkable Marilyn team, who plays in front of lots of empty seats, is ranked in the top 20? Ole Miss is ranked higher than Oklahoma and Wisconsin? Northwestern is #35?
This disclaimer may explain a lot:
As you peruse these lists, remember that TV viewership can be influenced by a whole bunch of factors, including game time, channel, competitiveness, and what other games are going on at the same time. Outliers can also sway averages, especially in a small sample size like this one. Streaming numbers are included when available. Games that do not have available data are counted as zero.
This analysis shows the same. RU doesn’t bring a lot of TV viewers.
How Many Viewers Did Your NCAA Team Attract?
We take a look at EVERY FBS team and also compare league by league! Who's the top ten in viewership? How do the ACC schools rank relative to each other? How big a boost does Alabama give the SEC West? It's all inside.
”These rankings confirm a lot of people’s opinions on the three recent additions. Nebraska helps more on over-the-air ratings while the later additions of Rutgers & Maryland may help a ton on the Big Ten Network carriage fee revenue but have not drawn as strongly over the air.”
True for now but both schools have tremendous potential.This analysis shows the same. RU doesn’t bring a lot of TV viewers.
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”These rankings confirm a lot of people’s opinions on the three recent additions. Nebraska helps more on over-the-air ratings while the later additions of Rutgers & Maryland may help a ton on the Big Ten Network carriage fee revenue but have not drawn as strongly over the air.”
That’s even a bigger shock…. Very bottom of the B1G and half million viewers behind next to last Illinois.This analysis shows the same. RU doesn’t bring a lot of TV viewers.
How Many Viewers Did Your NCAA Team Attract?
We take a look at EVERY FBS team and also compare league by league! Who's the top ten in viewership? How do the ACC schools rank relative to each other? How big a boost does Alabama give the SEC West? It's all inside.
”These rankings confirm a lot of people’s opinions on the three recent additions. Nebraska helps more on over-the-air ratings while the later additions of Rutgers & Maryland may help a ton on the Big Ten Network carriage fee revenue but have not drawn as strongly over the air.”
And pissed that Syracuse has almost double the TV viewers than us over the last 8 years. All the while we have been in the B1G. The program needs a dramatic overhaul in our fanbase. It starts with the on the field performance now. Just win baby.
Last year Syracuse attendance of 7 home games came to 285,345 and Rutgers for 6 games was 304,538
Syracuse also started out 5-0 and their home attendance jumped up to 49K vs No. 15 NC State.. another win for Cuse.
What the TV ratings, if true, came down to was NETWORK games on TV vs CABLE games on TV. Syracuse started out 5-0 then beat No. 15 NC State at home. Now 6-0 Syracuse lost a close game to #5 Clemson on ABC and followed that up as 6-1 Syracuse getting drilled by ND at home on ABC.
TV ratings, in this case, do not reflect the popularity of Syracuse football.. but of the matchups and desirability for network broadcast by the network with the ACC contract.
When we are undefeated in midseason and playing a ranked Big Ten team we will be a network game too and get big ratings. And, of course, another issue is the number of good teams in the Big Ten with more of a national following than Rutgers. We might not be choosing to be a featured national game purely because there is a better game for TV ratings available among Big Ten games on a given weekend.
Bottom Line: Let us see how this plays out. Don't panic that Syracuse is going to eat your lunch because of higher TV ratings. They are not.
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What I’ve said for a bit now…
Match up > geography/market
Will be how it goes moving forward.
But it can only help our cause if we win.
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There are more residents in Middlesex County than within 50 miles of a number of those schools.
Such as the last 5 schools in the B1G, the last 6 in the SEC, the last 3 in the ACC and the last 4 in the B12.
Such as the last 5 schools in the B1G, the last 6 in the SEC, the last 3 in the ACC and the last 4 in the B12.
Actually Maryland draws 1.8 million viewers every week… ranked #18 in CFB. This is the 2002 season only.This analysis shows the same. RU doesn’t bring a lot of TV viewers.
How Many Viewers Did Your NCAA Team Attract?
We take a look at EVERY FBS team and also compare league by league! Who's the top ten in viewership? How do the ACC schools rank relative to each other? How big a boost does Alabama give the SEC West? It's all inside.
”These rankings confirm a lot of people’s opinions on the three recent additions. Nebraska helps more on over-the-air ratings while the later additions of Rutgers & Maryland may help a ton on the Big Ten Network carriage fee revenue but have not drawn as strongly over the air.”
3x the average for RU. They have brought both carriage fees and eyeballs to the TV. We have only brought the former. Our viewership is beyond anemic. We have no following regionally let alone nationally. Need to change the perception….Win.
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This data is equally flawed. The author even states that, saying that " In the absence of a much more detailed statistical model, this is a way to segment things out into several ranking groups where the TV deals are at least semi-fair to use for comparison." Basically, the author invented his own statistical model.This analysis shows the same. RU doesn’t bring a lot of TV viewers.
How Many Viewers Did Your NCAA Team Attract?
We take a look at EVERY FBS team and also compare league by league! Who's the top ten in viewership? How do the ACC schools rank relative to each other? How big a boost does Alabama give the SEC West? It's all inside.
”These rankings confirm a lot of people’s opinions on the three recent additions. Nebraska helps more on over-the-air ratings while the later additions of Rutgers & Maryland may help a ton on the Big Ten Network carriage fee revenue but have not drawn as strongly over the air.”
He also states "the number of games since 2013 in my sample, and what they average in those games." So this data basically includes the Ash years, which in my opinion, completely skews the data.
I would like to see the RAW DATA for each college football team, game by game, for the LAST TWO SEASONS. You can then average those games (regular season only to make it the same for each team) and that, to me, would give you a better sense of what the real numbers are. Better yet, drop the lowest two numbers for each team, to prevent outliers, and get the average for the rest of the games. I think that list would look very different.
Scarlet Jerry
If we ever got to your 3rd WINning, I think we'd get the eyeballs on tv for sure. That kind of winning can get you the casual fans in this area and bandwagon jumpers imo. Not to mention it's one thing to win like that against Cincy, WVU, Pitt etc but it's completely another if it's against the PSUs, OSUs, Michigans etc which would amplify it. Doing it is very hard but the rest of the benefits would just follow naturally IMO.^^^These^^^ thoughts of mine only consider physical attendance. Butts in the seats.
As for eyeballs and TV, even a good to great Rutgers could struggle in this dept. as we move forward.
We’ll see.
Agreed. But Basketball will help display the potential to whomever needs to see it. A Top 5 Rutgers basketball team will be absolutely bonkers around here. But football does need to look competent soon.
Syracuse's problem is the demise of upstate NY.
Jesus Christ.. do you think the people in Rutgers footprint watch more Big Ten football since we joined?
What's wrong with you "fans" that you have to crap on Rutgers whenever you can?
We are not getting the BROADCAST NETWORK games that run nationally or every widely regionally. Because we have not been in a good position to sell such a game yert. And that's our fault, yes.. but it does not mean that the general OP topic of number of people in our market means zero. It means a lot.. otherwise we would not have ben offered.
Now, I will admit, that ESPN advised the ACC to skip over Rutgers.. I think that was an effort to keep the NYC market for other games for other teams.. hoping they could destroy Rutgers football.. relegate it to Patriot League level.. where even having Rutgers on some lame channel playing Lafayette wouldn't interfere with a national game on a broadcast network.
But The Big Ten and their business analysts saw the value of Rutgers in this market. That has not changed. It is worth something.. it has a lot of value.
Heck.. for all I know Rutgers winning might screw that up. Where Rutgers is now they can push us off to odd times, off days, and periphery cable channels. Avoid having Rutgers fans in this big market NOT watching the Big Ten national broadcasts... not hurting their NYC and Philly market ratings which brings big money from advertisers.
But if Rutgers wins.. and they feel forced to use us for a national broadcast on a broadcast network.. they have the problem that the Rutgers football has little appeal has little value outside this market. Michigan vs Rutgers might not draw nationally even as much as Michigan vs Nebraska.
I still think the OP story has a lot of value. This is a huge market and we should be working in every well possible to cash in more on it.. including winning, of course.
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I sure hope so.
With the additional inventory now in the B1G, the match up thing gets harder for us. Even for a much better Rutgers squad.
A better Rutgers will help fill the Stadium, but we'll see how it does for eyeballs when there are other great B1G games going on at the same time.
Although, if we do begin to carry our own weight the "Rutgers doesn't belong" argument just goes away. That alone could be good enough for our future.
Who is crapping on Rutgers ? Numerous posters on this board including myself sh#t on Syracuse all we can. Fact is they badly outdraw us on viewership.. them just about every other P5 program.
The points have been made several times, but of course ignored by those with their own agenda.
RU viewership is low because we do not appear on Network TV. Any valid comparison of viewers would separate network games from cable/satellite/streaming games.
RU viewership is down and we are not on Network TV because we don't win. One will fix the other, but there is no money for #2 so #1 is not going to happen.
BTW: I am very positive about improved performance this year, but in this league improved performance does not immediately translate to immediate wins.
RU viewership is low because we do not appear on Network TV. Any valid comparison of viewers would separate network games from cable/satellite/streaming games.
RU viewership is down and we are not on Network TV because we don't win. One will fix the other, but there is no money for #2 so #1 is not going to happen.
BTW: I am very positive about improved performance this year, but in this league improved performance does not immediately translate to immediate wins.