MSU lineup: Frazier SS, Detz 3B, Renfroe RF, Pirtle 2B, Rea 1B, Bradford CF, Henderson LF, Ammirati C, Armstrong DH. Fitts RHP.
Same lineup, Armstrong DHing...
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I hope this ^^ is all sarcasm. Armstrong is terrible at the plate unless you need a bunt. Hopefully he proves me wrong today.
Amen...
He hits over .400 in JuCo and has a total of 40 stolen bases in his time there with 114 ERROR FREE defensive chances. Yet, Cohen has a love affair with the poor man's Willy Mays Hayes playing left field.
He hits over .400 in JuCo and has a total of 40 stolen bases in his time there with 114 ERROR FREE defensive chances. Yet, Cohen has a love affair with the poor man's Willy Mays Hayes playing left field.
You mean the guy that got 3 hits yesterday in a Super Regional while our "DH" looked foolish? You guys are clueless, this ain't JUCO ball...and Armstrong ain't close to Henderson's level. At least not yet.
I personally think he brings a lot to the plate from an approach perspective.
He's worked counts deep because he can foul pitches off (He and Detz, I think, have been the best at working counts this year). He's not overly aggressive, either. He may not be hitting all that great, but he's gotten hits for us against SEC talent. He can also create offense with infield contact.
I think during the offseason, they will work with him on strengthening his swing and making solid contact. He could be a leadoff candidate for us in the future.
He's certainly the best out of Porter and Fullerton because of that ability. Those are my thoughts, though...
He's worked counts deep because he can foul pitches off (He and Detz, I think, have been the best at working counts this year). He's not overly aggressive, either. He may not be hitting all that great, but he's gotten hits for us against SEC talent. He can also create offense with infield contact.
I think during the offseason, they will work with him on strengthening his swing and making solid contact. He could be a leadoff candidate for us in the future.
He's certainly the best out of Porter and Fullerton because of that ability. Those are my thoughts, though...
By the way, Henderson has a higher fielding percentage than Renfroe, Frazier, and Pirtle. Meanwhile he has a higher batting average, On base percentage, slugging percentage than Armstrong. Please tell me which Armstrong you guys are watching.
And to drt....LEADOFF guy?? Armstrong?? He will be a Senior next year. You think he's going to improve enough to LEADOFF next season?
Im not trying to be an ***, and I may eat my words, but what are you guys talking about? Armstrong will likely not even play as much next season as he is this season.
I like him too. He has good bat speed which is something that's tough to teach. He's just not a very polished hitter right now. Maybe it's because he doesn't recognize pitches right away. Who knows.
Yep... but I said CANDIDATE for leadoff because I like his approach and what he brings... but he's far from it NOW. With work in the offseason, he could potentially develop into that role. He's not a DH, that's for sure.
While you are attacking everyone who disagrees with your statements, Pirtle is thanking you for giving him a chance to bat cleanup**
Im not attacking anything, Im simply providing stats that disprove those saying he is better than Hendu, and asking why you think Armstrong could lead off. Sorry if you felt attacked.
And as for Pirtle, I have eaten my crow several times on Pirtle....and would love to do the same for Armstrong....BUT, he's about to be a Senior and hasn't done anything yet. Meanwhile Pirtle has developed THIS year. Armstrong hasn't. He has 57 at bats and has 15 hits and 19 K's. he's walked 8 times. And people in this thread saying he's got a quick bat.....he swings through and is late on more fastballs right down the middle than anyone on the team, so I guess I'm missing the boat on that logic as well.
Not trying to piss anyone off, I just can't understand what people see in Armstrong. It is the end of his Junior season and he is not helping us any except for bunt singles here and there....as soon as he gives me reason to believe I will be his biggest fan. Hopefully he catches fire and makes me look foolish...starting today. I want the guy to succeed. But he is nowhere close to being as valuable as Henderson.
"I'm not trying to be an ***." Well you are. Ignorant I might add. At least you're not stupid though.
You mention higher fielding percentage, on base percentage, and slugging percentage. Hmmm...has Armstrong even had a chance? I bet he has just as much if not more stolen bases than Henderson. Henderson Makes two errors in the field (routine I might add) and doesn't make it 1st to 3rd on a bloop single with 2 outs. He was obviously smoked up and cost us a run. That's elementary.
I might add that Armstrong has a better batting average than "your boy" Henderson. And "this ain't JuCo ball." Might not be, but your boy hasn't hit over .250 in a coon's age, son. Hitting over .400 in JuCo is quite an accomplishment as it is in any league of baseball.
All I'm saying is Armstrong fits this teams needs more than the poor man's Willy Mays Hayes. Cohen likes his small ball and being aggressive on the basepaths. Hell...Robson is leaps and bounds more suited for SEC play than Henderson is and that's a fact...JACK!
And yes...Armstrong could be a potential lead off guy. Lord knows it won't be Henderson. We've got 3 guys with world class speed that I would love to see the field next year: Armstrong, Hann, and Robson.
Maybe YOU are the IGNORANT one...because no, Armstrong doesn't have a better average. Henderson is at .276, while your boy is at .263. So I guess that means you are wrong AGAIN about Henderson not "hitting .250 in a coon's age" since he currently sits at .276. Haha may want to get your facts straight before calling someone ignorant.
And you are clueless if you think him hitting .400 in JUCO means jack **** when he gets to MSU.
Terribly weak argument with a bunch of stats that were wrong, and some JUCO nonsense.
You must have forgotten how many huge hits Henderson has gotten us just in the last two postseasons. And before the two errors yesterday, I can't remember the last Henderson screw up in the field. But that's what a weak argument does...it bases **** off of 1 game.
This thread has gone to Wonderland. Cadaver is right.
Armstrong, at 28%, has the highest strikeout percentage ON THE TEAM!
He's only hitting .263 while having a super inflated .395 BABIP. At that BABIP you should be hitting at least .330.
Armstrong, at 28%, has the highest strikeout percentage ON THE TEAM!
He's only hitting .263 while having a super inflated .395 BABIP. At that BABIP you should be hitting at least .330.
Shall I keep going?
Henderson had a perfect 1.000 fielding percentage in SEC play this season. Far from poor man's Willie Mays Hayes, wouldn't you say?
Henderson had a perfect 1.000 fielding percentage in SEC play this season. Far from poor man's Willie Mays Hayes, wouldn't you say?
I'm agreeing with you on all counts but Pirtle and Detz had suspect transitions into D1 level and are now 2 of our most important players on both ends.
Armstrong has the potential, he's proven he can do it at some level, but he needs some AB's and time in the outfield and he'll be a rock for us next season. Leadoff? Hell no. Hopefully Frazier will be back, but if not I think Pirtle has a good shot at it. What Armstrong needs is to be plugged into the OF somewhere for the first 18 or so non-conference games next season against some weak competition to get into a groove.
Wow, highest Strikeout percentage ON THE TEAM? And we want to make him a LEADOFF hitter? Or better yet, DH him?
Terribly weak arguement, huh? 40 stolen bases. hits .391 frosh year. .404 soph year. Has NO errors in 114 chances.That's more than solid dipshit. "I'm just glad you aren't the coach because we would have Armstrong in LF helping us NOnE, while Henderson who has been hot lately would be riding pine." I'm glad you're not the coach because you'd be in the dugout right now riding Henderson's cock.
Armstrong did most certainly have a better batting avg than Henderson yesterday pregame. If Armstrong had more attempts at the plate then Armstrong would be over .300 right now with about 15 stolen bases. Speed kills. Henderson has been a wild card since the day he stepped on campus. Cohen has coddled him after repeated dumb17 plays. He is getting more reps because his has been there longer as Robson and Armstrong are first year players. Simple as that.
You don't know jack **** about baseball, bud. You've probably never even played it except for on your computer.
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Again, I'm agreeing with you on about everything (see above), but that .263 is with very limited appearances. I think he'll be a lot better if he had a full season at the plate.
DH doesn't necessarily have to be a great hitter either. I've been watching a lot of games here lately and I don't think I've seen really any team that has a DH with a great average. I think most teams make sure their best hitters are in the field somewhere, kind of like how we have like 3 2nd basement in our starting lineup. I do wish we had a DH that could hit a HR on the reg though.
Haha you are an idiot. I'm looking at official stats dumbass, so NO Armstrong doesn't have a higher average.
And I actually am not the biggest fan of Henderson...Im just in shock that you think Armstrong is better because he is NOT, in any category.
And enough wi your ******** JUCO stats, who cares? It has led to a below average first year in the SEC, so why do you keep pointing out useless JUCO numbers? I'm sure Preston Brown had great high school numbers his Senior year, but does that mean **** now? That's the dumbest logic I've ever heard.
And what part of Henderson having a perfect fielding percentage in the SEC did you miss? SEC>JUCO .
You aren't even worth arguing with because you have zero baseball knowledge apparently. I'll let you keep thinking your boy should be playing over one of our best hitters of late though, Ms Armstrong.
Armstrong also had a .417 BABIP yesterday pregame. That may not mean anything to you and may offend the unthinking writers but Armstrong has had a lot of LUCK with his hits so far this season. Super high BABIP's are unsustainable, and his is super high with a mediocre avg.
Armstrong is a .200 hitter this year with the highest K% on the team. Wish we would have gone with Flair months ago for our RH DH but that ship has sailed and so has he.
Haha, no you moron, IT IS RIGHT HERE for all to see....
http://www.nmnathletics.com/fls/16800/stats/bb/2013/teamcume.htm
Idiot. You're arguing stats with me and I'm looking at the damn stat page.
So you're telling me that you don't recruit guys off of their numbers? You're delusional.
"Enough with your ******** JUCO stats....That's the dumbest logic I've ever heard." Oh...well...what say ye we go down to Guntown and see if we can pick up there 7, 8, and 9 hitters. Better yet. Let's offer every 9 hole hitter in the State of Mississippi. God bless. Go back to Gene's pg. You're fit to be coaching at the Sister's of the Blind.
You sound so dumb. I didn't say his numbers didn't mean **** when we recruited him....I'm saying his numbers from JUCO don't mean **** if he can't get it done at MsU. You can't possibly be this dumb.
Maybe Armstrong should just jump straight to the pros, because if he hit .400 in JUCO, surely he can do it in the MLB.
Hey....just goin' by your logic there dubmass. Quit tryin' to back up in your tracks and turn **** around.
By the way...read up (they're side by side). Per SEC Website.
http://www.secdigitalnetwork.com/Portals/3/SEC Website/Baseball/2013/ms.htm
Guess my argument was legit, huh? Eat ****.
Cheers. Time for the game.
Cadaver, I'll take 0.013 points less average to rid my eyes of having to see...
All the GD awful baserunning **** from Henderson. How many outs has he given away and innings crushed this season alone, because of his ****** baserunning? I'd rather have a smart player out there with slightly lower average, because he wouldnt run me out of multiple innings. Your argument is 17ing ridiculous. Hendersons offense nor defense make up for the dumbass baserunning he has displayed. He should have been in the dugout when that last ball reached home plate. End of story.
All the GD awful baserunning **** from Henderson. How many outs has he given away and innings crushed this season alone, because of his ****** baserunning? I'd rather have a smart player out there with slightly lower average, because he wouldnt run me out of multiple innings. Your argument is 17ing ridiculous. Hendersons offense nor defense make up for the dumbass baserunning he has displayed. He should have been in the dugout when that last ball reached home plate. End of story.
I hope you are kidding Cadav. You can't possibly be so ingorant not to notice...
How much more quite Armstrong's approach is at the plate, as opposed to Henderson. And how many fewer "what the 17" swings he has up there. Henderson looks lost on about 50% of his swings. Derek has a smooth approach and swing. Had he been given more opportunities and gotten comfortable in SEC play, Henderson would be holding a clipboard. Cohen is just sticking with an incumbent starter, the same way most coaches do. There's a reason that Derek is DHing now.
If serious, you obviously dont know **** about baseball. Your posts in this thread prove it.
How much more quite Armstrong's approach is at the plate, as opposed to Henderson. And how many fewer "what the 17" swings he has up there. Henderson looks lost on about 50% of his swings. Derek has a smooth approach and swing. Had he been given more opportunities and gotten comfortable in SEC play, Henderson would be holding a clipboard. Cohen is just sticking with an incumbent starter, the same way most coaches do. There's a reason that Derek is DHing now.
If serious, you obviously dont know **** about baseball. Your posts in this thread prove it.
No, you're just an argumentative little **** who won't listen to anyone else's point of view. Tell your daddy 34 that a lot of us over here will pay his bill if it means y'all will migrate back over.
You seem to have a lot of animosity towards elitedawgs. Perhaps you should address that issue.
I am trying to just observe, but I had to jump in here. Are you saying that Henderson is a better defender than those guys, and are using fielding pct. as evidence? You do realize that fielding pct is the most overrated and meaningless stat in baseball, right? You do realize that outfielders usually have better fielding pct than infielders because they get fewer chances and the chances are easier? You do realize that Renfroe gets to more balls, covers more ground, and has a much better arm, factors that fielding pct doesn't take into account?
If you're going to argue a point, you need to come stronger than that. The entire board is now dumber for having read that.
I personally witnessed two errors in the SEC tournament. Like I said earlier, that statistic is ********.
Example. Game one of the super regional, and Henderson overruns a fly ball in the corner, comes back, but inexplicably misses the ball...letting it glance off the side of his glove. 99.75% of the free world rules that an error, but I guess the official scorer in Virginia is the same numbnuts that has been on our board, so he rules it a hit. Yay! Henderson had a 1.000 fielding percentage yesterday! Except he didn't.
Where are the stats on his baserunning? Will they reflect the two bonehead plays he had yesterday?
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