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Here is the thing. And I'll get some pushback on this but if you look at it without the Bo hate there is some sense to it.

1. Bo had a temperament that was in check the first 5 years. Within tolerable ranges. It was his last 2 years while working under SE that it really came out. His frustration with no support and SE's management style put him over the top. When he was bitching about the fans that was taken out of context and he was referring to the few fans that had high expectations not understanding some of the limitations being put on his program.

2. Bo didn't mind the recruiting as much as he hated the recruiting game. He probably had one of the best ideas in regards to recruiting when he said there should be no NLI day. Make an offer to a kid and if he accepts then sign the papers. Bo was a straight shooter and didn't like playing some of the recruiting games such as flipping and tweeting and having to cuddle recruits egos.

3. Bo didn't have Andy Vaughn. He had to use Ross Ells as his recruiting coordinator. Everyone knows the coordinator job, to be done right, needed to be full time but somehow it only became available once MR was hired. In fact he was hired in the first few weeks that MR was here making him an early addition. Imagine if Trent Bay was having to do all the Recruiting Coordination in addition to linebacker duties and linebacker recruiting. My understanding......and I can't prove this......is the Andy Vaughn connection was with SE and that SE held out hiring him until Bo was fired. Now what I don't know in this equation is why a recruiting coordinator wasn't hired when TO was still AD. I'm really not sure when the NCAA started allowing that or if money was a problem early on in the entry into the B1G. Maybe it was new enough or just the way TO and Nebraska had always done it.

SE was hired for one reason and he got it done. He alienated resources and support away from Bo. Many fans didn't understand what was driving much of this anger and frustration but only saw how it played out. And that was some pretty ugly sideline stuff. If he would have provided the same support and dollars to Bo......especially on the recruiting coordinator side it could have been a totally different outcome.

Now what he did at Northstar. Well I can tell you this. Its nothing most all of us wouldn't have done. If you got fired from work because some guy had done what SE did to limit resources and support to your entire team many of us would have probably sat around over a couple of beers calling that Boss the c word too. However.......it wouldn't have been secretly taped and leaked to the news media. Also......was he really wrong about what he said there?
 

SoFL Husker

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for what its worth.

Here is the thing. And I'll get some pushback on this but if you look at it without the Bo hate there is some sense to it.

1. Bo had a temperament that was in check the first 5 years. Within tolerable ranges. It was his last 2 years while working under SE that it really came out. His frustration with no support and SE's management style put him over the top. When he was bitching about the fans that was taken out of context and he was referring to the few fans that had high expectations not understanding some of the limitations being put on his program.

2. Bo didn't mind the recruiting as much as he hated the recruiting game. He probably had one of the best ideas in regards to recruiting when he said there should be no NLI day. Make an offer to a kid and if he accepts then sign the papers. Bo was a straight shooter and didn't like playing some of the recruiting games such as flipping and tweeting and having to cuddle recruits egos.

3. Bo didn't have Andy Vaughn. He had to use Ross Ells as his recruiting coordinator. Everyone knows the coordinator job, to be done right, needed to be full time but somehow it only became available once MR was hired. In fact he was hired in the first few weeks that MR was here making him an early addition. Imagine if Trent Bay was having to do all the Recruiting Coordination in addition to linebacker duties and linebacker recruiting. My understanding......and I can't prove this......is the Andy Vaughn connection was with SE and that SE held out hiring him until Bo was fired. Now what I don't know in this equation is why a recruiting coordinator wasn't hired when TO was still AD. I'm really not sure when the NCAA started allowing that or if money was a problem early on in the entry into the B1G. Maybe it was new enough or just the way TO and Nebraska had always done it.

SE was hired for one reason and he got it done. He alienated resources and support away from Bo. Many fans didn't understand what was driving much of this anger and frustration but only saw how it played out. And that was some pretty ugly sideline stuff. If he would have provided the same support and dollars to Bo......especially on the recruiting coordinator side it could have been a totally different outcome.

Now what he did at Northstar. Well I can tell you this. Its nothing most all of us wouldn't have done. If you got fired from work because some guy had done what SE did to limit resources and support to your entire team many of us would have probably sat around over a couple of beers calling that Boss the c word too. However.......it wouldn't have been secretly taped and leaked to the news media. Also......was he really wrong about what he said there?

All very true especially in hindsight. I have made the same general argument on here for the past month or so and it resonates, however, one has to hold Bo accountable here too. Bo should have seen the need for the RC function, and he could have gotten it done early on in his career at Nebraska. A great CEO sees the need to delegate. Bo didn't get it done by not getting the position filled with the right level candidate. That is on Bo. GBR
 
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for what its worth.

Here is the thing. And I'll get some pushback on this but if you look at it without the Bo hate there is some sense to it.

1. Bo had a temperament that was in check the first 5 years. Within tolerable ranges. It was his last 2 years while working under SE that it really came out. His frustration with no support and SE's management style put him over the top. When he was bitching about the fans that was taken out of context and he was referring to the few fans that had high expectations not understanding some of the limitations being put on his program.

2. Bo didn't mind the recruiting as much as he hated the recruiting game. He probably had one of the best ideas in regards to recruiting when he said there should be no NLI day. Make an offer to a kid and if he accepts then sign the papers. Bo was a straight shooter and didn't like playing some of the recruiting games such as flipping and tweeting and having to cuddle recruits egos.

3. Bo didn't have Andy Vaughn. He had to use Ross Ells as his recruiting coordinator. Everyone knows the coordinator job, to be done right, needed to be full time but somehow it only became available once MR was hired. In fact he was hired in the first few weeks that MR was here making him an early addition. Imagine if Trent Bay was having to do all the Recruiting Coordination in addition to linebacker duties and linebacker recruiting. My understanding......and I can't prove this......is the Andy Vaughn connection was with SE and that SE held out hiring him until Bo was fired. Now what I don't know in this equation is why a recruiting coordinator wasn't hired when TO was still AD. I'm really not sure when the NCAA started allowing that or if money was a problem early on in the entry into the B1G. Maybe it was new enough or just the way TO and Nebraska had always done it.

SE was hired for one reason and he got it done. He alienated resources and support away from Bo. Many fans didn't understand what was driving much of this anger and frustration but only saw how it played out. And that was some pretty ugly sideline stuff. If he would have provided the same support and dollars to Bo......especially on the recruiting coordinator side it could have been a totally different outcome.

Now what he did at Northstar. Well I can tell you this. Its nothing most all of us wouldn't have done. If you got fired from work because some guy had done what SE did to limit resources and support to your entire team many of us would have probably sat around over a couple of beers calling that Boss the c word too. However.......it wouldn't have been secretly taped and leaked to the news media. Also......was he really wrong about what he said there?


If someone wrote the same things about Riley and the support he received from the Oregon St administration ALL of those things would be viewed as excuses. Guess it just depends on what you want to believe.

I could easily say that Osborne's presence was a big reason why the behavior was what it was.

Did Callahan have an Andy Vaughn? Did Solich? Did Osborne? excuses
 

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I 100% with being able to sign the letter at anytime. That is not only a good idea it cleans up so much.
 

Harry Caray

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I 100% with being able to sign the letter at anytime. That is not only a good idea it cleans up so much.

I think it would be bad for us. We tend to get our commitments later than most schools because our gameday environment is our best selling point. Whereas other schools tend to get more early unofficial visits because they are closer to the hotbed recruiting areas. I think a lot of recruits would be pressured into signing early and end up making bad decisions. I think you would need a rule that requires recruits to take all 5 official visits if they want to sign early.

As for the OP, Bo has nobody to blame but himself. He could have went out and hired assistants who were great recruiters but he always hired his buddies or promoted guys with no recruiting experience. And if he hated his new boss that much, he was free to look for another job - but apparently nobody wanted to hire him.
 

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If someone wrote the same things about Riley and the support he received from the Oregon St administration ALL of those things would be viewed as excuses. Guess it just depends on what you want to believe.

I could easily say that Osborne's presence was a big reason why the behavior was what it was.

Did Callahan have an Andy Vaughn? Did Solich? Did Osborne? excuses

Hey I'm not making excuses.....just posting what is out there and you can read it anyway you want. I read it as back ground material on the SE/Bo relationship and how the rift affected what was happening.
 
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Who MADE him do this?
Nobody. He was offered more money for a recruiting staff and did not take advantage because it would not fit his victim story. The recruiting budget tripled after Osborne left. The crap the OP posted is the same TC-driven crap being regurgitated.
Lol. What a joke.
 
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I think it would be bad for us. We tend to get our commitments later than most schools because our gameday environment is our best selling point. Whereas other schools tend to get more early unofficial visits because they are closer to the hotbed recruiting areas. I think a lot of recruits would be pressured into signing early and end up making bad decisions. I think you would need a rule that requires recruits to take all 5 official visits if they want to sign early.

As for the OP, Bo has nobody to blame but himself. He could have went out and hired assistants who were great recruiters but he always hired his buddies or promoted guys with no recruiting experience. And if he hated his new boss that much, he was free to look for another job - but apparently nobody wanted to hire him.
I know what you mean but I think that other schools would fill up quick, so recruits would feel the
"pressure" to sign, you know?
 
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Bo was a lazy recruiter and that is why he wanted no signing day. That way he didn't have to work to keep recruits, something every other coach has to do. Hell, he was excited when he got the YSU job and found out he could recruit from his car.
Also, the fallacy that he wasn't given resources makes me laugh. His recruiting budget was doubled when Eichorst was brought here. His relationship with SE may have been rocky, as we all assume SE was brought here to fire Bo. But saying he didn't have the resources is crazy. Full time recruiting staffs weren't allowed at one time but were approved at a date that escapes me, but I'm pretty sure it was when Bo was still here. He had every chance to hire a dedicated recruiting staff, but instead he pissed and moaned about not having advantages here, about SE hating him, etc. Just as much of that could have been put on TO as SE.

Bo sucked. SE sucked. And that is why they are both gone.
 

Toms Wife

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Pelini was bad. Eichorst was bad. There's no good guy in this story.

Pelini, horrible ambassador of our program. Did he ever want to make our program better in terms of expecting more and doing more.

Eichorst, his job was to lead our athletic programs. How can that happen in a "no comment", "invisible AD" atmosphere.
So much this. They both had some incredibly cringe-worthy moments. And to think they garnered two of the top three public employee salaries in the whole state!
 
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huskerfan1414

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Sure Sean sucked as AD and probably didn't do his job well enough, but Bo also sucked at a lot of things too. It's possible for both to be at fault.
 

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for what its worth.

Here is the thing. And I'll get some pushback on this but if you look at it without the Bo hate there is some sense to it.

1. Bo had a temperament that was in check the first 5 years. Within tolerable ranges. It was his last 2 years while working under SE that it really came out. His frustration with no support and SE's management style put him over the top. When he was bitching about the fans that was taken out of context and he was referring to the few fans that had high expectations not understanding some of the limitations being put on his program.

2. Bo didn't mind the recruiting as much as he hated the recruiting game. He probably had one of the best ideas in regards to recruiting when he said there should be no NLI day. Make an offer to a kid and if he accepts then sign the papers. Bo was a straight shooter and didn't like playing some of the recruiting games such as flipping and tweeting and having to cuddle recruits egos.

3. Bo didn't have Andy Vaughn. He had to use Ross Ells as his recruiting coordinator. Everyone knows the coordinator job, to be done right, needed to be full time but somehow it only became available once MR was hired. In fact he was hired in the first few weeks that MR was here making him an early addition. Imagine if Trent Bay was having to do all the Recruiting Coordination in addition to linebacker duties and linebacker recruiting. My understanding......and I can't prove this......is the Andy Vaughn connection was with SE and that SE held out hiring him until Bo was fired. Now what I don't know in this equation is why a recruiting coordinator wasn't hired when TO was still AD. I'm really not sure when the NCAA started allowing that or if money was a problem early on in the entry into the B1G. Maybe it was new enough or just the way TO and Nebraska had always done it.

SE was hired for one reason and he got it done. He alienated resources and support away from Bo. Many fans didn't understand what was driving much of this anger and frustration but only saw how it played out. And that was some pretty ugly sideline stuff. If he would have provided the same support and dollars to Bo......especially on the recruiting coordinator side it could have been a totally different outcome.

Now what he did at Northstar. Well I can tell you this. Its nothing most all of us wouldn't have done. If you got fired from work because some guy had done what SE did to limit resources and support to your entire team many of us would have probably sat around over a couple of beers calling that Boss the c word too. However.......it wouldn't have been secretly taped and leaked to the news media. Also......was he really wrong about what he said there?


Wrong. The F the fans rant was from 2011 (while TO was the AD).
 

Mack In Motion

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His recruiting budget was doubled when Eichorst was brought here.

This line needs to be posted every single time someone starts the inane argument that SE was sabotaging Pelini.

Here's a thought: If Pelini was wildly successful, SE would have been able to write his own ticket here for a long, long, long, long time.

Pelini's failure to win anything of significance during his tenure here was part of SE getting fired. If we had been nationally relevant during his tenure, it's likely that both he and SE would still be here, assuming that they didn't leave on their own terms.
 

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Hey I'm not making excuses.....just posting what is out there and you can read it anyway you want. I read it as back ground material on the SE/Bo relationship and how the rift affected what was happening.

Bo didn’t win enough games and took his frustrations out on everyone else. Every thing else is excuses
 
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for what its worth.

Here is the thing. And I'll get some pushback on this but if you look at it without the Bo hate there is some sense to it.

1. Bo had a temperament that was in check the first 5 years. Within tolerable ranges. It was his last 2 years while working under SE that it really came out. His frustration with no support and SE's management style put him over the top. When he was bitching about the fans that was taken out of context and he was referring to the few fans that had high expectations not understanding some of the limitations being put on his program.

2. Bo didn't mind the recruiting as much as he hated the recruiting game. He probably had one of the best ideas in regards to recruiting when he said there should be no NLI day. Make an offer to a kid and if he accepts then sign the papers. Bo was a straight shooter and didn't like playing some of the recruiting games such as flipping and tweeting and having to cuddle recruits egos.

3. Bo didn't have Andy Vaughn. He had to use Ross Ells as his recruiting coordinator. Everyone knows the coordinator job, to be done right, needed to be full time but somehow it only became available once MR was hired. In fact he was hired in the first few weeks that MR was here making him an early addition. Imagine if Trent Bay was having to do all the Recruiting Coordination in addition to linebacker duties and linebacker recruiting. My understanding......and I can't prove this......is the Andy Vaughn connection was with SE and that SE held out hiring him until Bo was fired. Now what I don't know in this equation is why a recruiting coordinator wasn't hired when TO was still AD. I'm really not sure when the NCAA started allowing that or if money was a problem early on in the entry into the B1G. Maybe it was new enough or just the way TO and Nebraska had always done it.

SE was hired for one reason and he got it done. He alienated resources and support away from Bo. Many fans didn't understand what was driving much of this anger and frustration but only saw how it played out. And that was some pretty ugly sideline stuff. If he would have provided the same support and dollars to Bo......especially on the recruiting coordinator side it could have been a totally different outcome.

Now what he did at Northstar. Well I can tell you this. Its nothing most all of us wouldn't have done. If you got fired from work because some guy had done what SE did to limit resources and support to your entire team many of us would have probably sat around over a couple of beers calling that Boss the c word too. However.......it wouldn't have been secretly taped and leaked to the news media. Also......was he really wrong about what he said there?
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Bo wasn't a horrible coach. His teams still won at least 9 games and lost 4 games every year. Better than his predecessor and his successor.

His formula worked for 9 wins, but not for conference championships and not against the great teams. Good enough to be ranked, but not good enough to be ranked high.

He has a winning FCS program.

At any time, another school could hire him away to run a Power 5 program. This has yet to happen.

Why? Because of his asshat personality. No one wants that crap.

A lot of schools are desperate for a winning coach... just not a winning coach that is an *** to the media and fans apparently.
 
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Bo wasn't a horrible coach. His teams still won at least 9 games and lost 4 games every year. Better than his predecessor and his successor.

His formula worked for 9 wins, but not for conference championships and not against the great teams. Good enough to be ranked, but not good enough to be ranked high.

He has a winning FCS program.

At any time, another school could hire him away to run a Power 5 program. This has yet to happen.

Why? Because of his asshat personality. No one wants that crap.

A lot of schools are desperate for a winning coach... just not a winning coach that is an *** to the media and fans apparently.
It’ll be tougher now and in the future to win 9 now because of 9 conference games.
 

SnohomishRed

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Pelini was bad. Eichorst was bad. There's no good guy in this story.

Pelini, horrible ambassador of our program. Did he ever want to make our program better in terms of expecting more and doing more.

Eichorst, his job was to lead our athletic programs. How can that happen in a "no comment", "invisible AD" atmosphere.
I agree both were bad - I think the Pelini thing went downhill starting with the 2009 loss and then the 2010 A&M game when Perlman publicly chastised him. Once TO left and Perlmans man was aboard then it became really toxic

The other thing was Eichorst - he had no desire to see Pelini make it thats not why he was hired

And lurking in the shadows of all this was Perlman - thank god he is gone
 
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Bo wasn't a horrible coach. His teams still won at least 9 games and lost 4 games every year. Better than his predecessor and his successor.

His formula worked for 9 wins, but not for conference championships and not against the great teams. Good enough to be ranked, but not good enough to be ranked high.

He has a winning FCS program.

At any time, another school could hire him away to run a Power 5 program. This has yet to happen.

Why? Because of his asshat personality. No one wants that crap.

A lot of schools are desperate for a winning coach... just not a winning coach that is an *** to the media and fans apparently.
There are plenty of winning coaches that are ********. Look around.

The point is, we fired him because he was not good enough. It was a great move. Now, being worse is good enough for most. This is the danger of hiring a nice guy that plays well with the media. The media loves him and people seem happy. And we keep getting worse.

I'd rather have an ******* as a coach so we will fire him when he sucks.
 
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There are plenty of winning coaches that are ********. Look around.

The point is, we fired him because he was not good enough. It was a great move. Now, being worse is good enough for most. This is the danger of hiring a nice guy that plays well with the media. The media loves him and people seem happy. And we keep getting worse.

I'd rather have an ******* as a coach so we will fire him when he sucks.

Outstanding post.
 

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for what its worth.

Here is the thing. And I'll get some pushback on this but if you look at it without the Bo hate there is some sense to it.

1. Bo had a temperament that was in check the first 5 years. Within tolerable ranges. It was his last 2 years while working under SE that it really came out. His frustration with no support and SE's management style put him over the top. When he was bitching about the fans that was taken out of context and he was referring to the few fans that had high expectations not understanding some of the limitations being put on his program.

2. Bo didn't mind the recruiting as much as he hated the recruiting game. He probably had one of the best ideas in regards to recruiting when he said there should be no NLI day. Make an offer to a kid and if he accepts then sign the papers. Bo was a straight shooter and didn't like playing some of the recruiting games such as flipping and tweeting and having to cuddle recruits egos.

3. Bo didn't have Andy Vaughn. He had to use Ross Ells as his recruiting coordinator. Everyone knows the coordinator job, to be done right, needed to be full time but somehow it only became available once MR was hired. In fact he was hired in the first few weeks that MR was here making him an early addition. Imagine if Trent Bay was having to do all the Recruiting Coordination in addition to linebacker duties and linebacker recruiting. My understanding......and I can't prove this......is the Andy Vaughn connection was with SE and that SE held out hiring him until Bo was fired. Now what I don't know in this equation is why a recruiting coordinator wasn't hired when TO was still AD. I'm really not sure when the NCAA started allowing that or if money was a problem early on in the entry into the B1G. Maybe it was new enough or just the way TO and Nebraska had always done it.

SE was hired for one reason and he got it done. He alienated resources and support away from Bo. Many fans didn't understand what was driving much of this anger and frustration but only saw how it played out. And that was some pretty ugly sideline stuff. If he would have provided the same support and dollars to Bo......especially on the recruiting coordinator side it could have been a totally different outcome.

Now what he did at Northstar. Well I can tell you this. Its nothing most all of us wouldn't have done. If you got fired from work because some guy had done what SE did to limit resources and support to your entire team many of us would have probably sat around over a couple of beers calling that Boss the c word too. However.......it wouldn't have been secretly taped and leaked to the news media. Also......was he really wrong about what he said there?
Surprised Mary Pat still posts on Husker sites
 

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No. Don't go there. This poster just cut and pasted from another site. He has no agenda. LOL

Was it not true? I didn't remember and didn't bother to check.

Not sure if you were referring to me, but both quotes were cut and pasted from this thread.
 

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Bo's temperament was in check? He told Tom Osborne to go eff himself on more than one occasion.

He's told everyone to go eff themselves on more than one occassion. Let's not reinvent this guy, fellas.