Saying Rich Rod failed after WVU is just moronic
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Maybe you should find "a sense of humor" as you lobby toward historical greatness, of your candidate.
Sorry (not that Sorry)
your candidate is not even a
Div1 head coach presently and will never Sniff the College Football HOF.
Your candidate is not even ranked
2nd by wins, at WVU.
Oh well, happy Tuesday.
You seem stuck in this endless loop arguing your position in an argument with yourself. The rest of us are just witnesses to a comedy show. So...who wins? You or... you. Really you should leave the institution grounds now and then.
Your debate has flaws, and the biggest mistake of your debate is/was the Damage your candidate caused West Virginia and WVU - apon his departure.
There is Zero Greatness in your candidate, simply because of the collateral damage inflicted.
I consider this discussion CLOSED.
6-15 is 29% anywhere. But watching a grown man cry while Josh Groban music plays tells me all I need to know about what a ***** he was..
Hate to break this to you.
But this subject has morphed into "PricRod Credibility Debate"
posting - credibility while at WVU and credibility after he departed west virginia.
I know some here become frustrated and enter the "Insulting Phase" of this discussion ignoring the facts,
driven by emotions.
But "your boy" has Never lived up to HOF greatness that you all claim, think or inferred
RichRod could have achieved.
He's a average coach at best who attempted to destroy his Own Alumni.
This damage can not be ignored while remembering his 7 short years at WV.
Some Facts...
Both Don Nehlen and Major Harris are in the College Football HOF.
RichRod is not even in West Virginia HOF and no player RichRod has coached is in the College Football HOF, yet.
Don Nehlen has 149 WVU wins and RichRod doesn't has 60 WVU wins.
Both Don Nehlen and Major Harris are in the College Football HOF.
RichRod is not even in West Virginia HOF and no player RichRod has coached is in the College Football HOF, yet.
Don Nehlen has 149 WVU wins and RichRod doesn't has 60 WVU wins.
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I'm a numbers guy. But cherrypicking number is not the way I roll. WHILE AT WVU Rich had a better winning percentage than Don. That's a number I got by, with NO disrespect to Don, who kept me happy for 21 years. Rich's 69.8% winning percentage is the best at WVU since Clarence "Doc" Spears in 1922 went 80.8% (!) and won the East-West Classic, the precursor to the Rose Bowl and the closest thing to a national title in those days, and his team NEVER LOST A GAME THAT SEASON! Don was a respectable 61.4%. Dana Holgorsen was 59.8%. Art "Pappy" Lewis was 60.2%. Bobby Bowden was 61.8%. Bill Stewart in his brief tenure was 70%. Jim Carlen was 64.6%. That makes Rich THIRD ALL-TIME in winning percentage as a WVU coach. Saying he wasn't a good coach makes those who do look so foolish and full of hate. Yes, I didn't like Rich's mouth on his way to Michigan. But 18 of the 21 WVU football coaches in history did worse than him AT WVU! Stop letting the hatred make you look stupid. Rich's years at WVU were glorious! I was enthralled by them. The Pitt loss doesn't wipe out the 69.8% winning percentage, third-best in WVU history. Get some perspective!
CHERRYPICKING NUMBERS IS THE SAME AS LYING.
Don Nehlen has 149 WVU wins and RichRod doesn't has 60 WVU wins IS TRUE.
BUT RICH WON 69.8% OF HIS WVU GAMES AND DON WON 61.4%. THAT IS THE NUMBERS TELLS THE STORY WITHOUT JUDGING RICH'S PERSONALITY VS. DON. I'LL ADMIT DON WAS MORE FUN TO LISTEN TO THAN RICH. BUT RICH'S TEAMS, OTHER THAN 1988 AND 1993, WERE MORE FUN TO WATCH. AND I'VE BEEN WATCHING WVU FOR 80 YEARS SO I HAVE A LONG TRACK RECORD WITH MY EYEBALLS. HATRED DESTROYS RATIONALITY. SEE THE SILVER LINING AND NOT THE DARK CLOUDS. WHAT RICH DID AT MICHIGAN, EVEN THE NASTY STUFF HE SAID ON HIS WAY FROM MORGANTOWN, HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS COACHING SUCCESS AT WVU. NEITHER DOES HIS ARIZONA RECORD. I DIDN'T CARE WHAT BOBBY BOWDEN DID AT FLORIDA STATE, ONLY WHAT HE DID AT MY BELOVED ALMA MATER. WHY DO PEOPLE LET HATRED IN THEIR HEART GET TO THEIR BRAIN?
Um, I do not think "All Caps" helps or hurts this discussion.
As for Hate, I've talked to RichRod a few times face to face and I have Zero "Hate" for RichRod BUT what I do not like -- is Stupidity By this candidate nor by this fan base, represented here.
I find it gullible that this Fan Base,
10+ years later after the fact, has the Gullibility to Automatically
Grant this Greatness.
With all the Caps Above,
you did Not address the College Football Hall Of Fame.
And how come - Don Nehlen and Major Harris is in the College Football Hall Of Fame, and
RichRod is NOT even in West Virginia HOF.
How's that for Caps?
(Repeating)
?How Come RichRod is Not even in the West Virginia HOF, If RichRod is Greatness coach in WVU History?
Answer that Fact.
I'm waiting
As for Hate, I've talked to RichRod a few times face to face and I have Zero "Hate" for RichRod BUT what I do not like -- is Stupidity By this candidate nor by this fan base, represented here.
I find it gullible that this Fan Base,
10+ years later after the fact, has the Gullibility to Automatically
Grant this Greatness.
With all the Caps Above,
you did Not address the College Football Hall Of Fame.
And how come - Don Nehlen and Major Harris is in the College Football Hall Of Fame, and
RichRod is NOT even in West Virginia HOF.
How's that for Caps?
(Repeating)
?How Come RichRod is Not even in the West Virginia HOF, If RichRod is Greatness coach in WVU History?
Answer that Fact.
I'm waiting
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SO, THE COACH WITH THE 3RD-BEST RECORD IN WVU HISTORY IS A MEANINGLESS NUMBER TO YOU? WOW! I THINK THAT EXPOSES PETTINESS AND MEANNESS. IT'S NOT A POPULARITY OR CHARACTER CONTEST. THE NUMBERS SAY RICH WAS BETTER THAN 18 OF WVU'S 21 COACHES. AND YOU DISAGREE? JUST BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T THINK HE SMILED ENOUGH OR COMBED HIS HAIR RIGHT? GET REAL!
Don Nehlen built the program from a lot of good talent into a good team and added all the additional seating, bigger better locker room and an indoor practice building. He turned West Virginia into a National team, by a school no one heard about west of the Mississippi. By 88, everyone knew about the WVU football team.
That is all on Nehlen. I doubt that anyone who followed Nehlen could of had the success that we all enjoyed watching in the 80s and 90s under his guidance in building a loosing program into a team that played for the title in 8 years.
That is all on Nehlen. I doubt that anyone who followed Nehlen could of had the success that we all enjoyed watching in the 80s and 90s under his guidance in building a loosing program into a team that played for the title in 8 years.
Yep, well said.
Very Well Said!
Beating Penn State lead to all the churn and future WV success.
But STOMPING Penn State for Nehlen was monumental.
NO, STEWART HAS 2ND BEST WINNING PERCENTAGE. DID I SAY HE WAS #2 BEST COACH EVER? HARDLY. RICH, DON, BOBBY, CARLEN, ART LEWIS WERE BETTER COACHES, IN MY OPINION. THE NUMBERS CAME UP WITH THE PERCENTAGES. SNARL AT THE NUMBERS, NOT ME. INTERPRET THE NUMBERS ANY WAY YOU WANT. BUT I THINK IT MAKES ANYONE WHO BELITTLES RICH'S COACHING ... AT WVU ... LOOK HATEFUL AND INACCURATE. 3RD BEST PERCENTAGE AMONG THE 21 WVU FOOTBALL COACHES IN HISTORY. AND IMPARTIAL EXPERTS WOULD SAY IN THE TOP 5 ALL-TIME AMONG WVU COACHES. YOU DISAGREE WITH RICH IN THE TOP 5 IN THE WAY HE PERFORMED FOR WVU. NOT FOR MICHIGAN OR ARIZONA, BUT WVU, WHICH IS THE ONLY SCHOOL I CARE ABOUT.
I guess "All Caps" make you all a historical authority on West Virginia football greatness, as noted above.
We can talk Boldly here, call people insults BUT
But you never offered a response to why - Don Nehlen is in the
College Football Hall Of Fame with Major Harris and Daryl Talley Is in the College Football HOF (Nehlen's players)
AND RichRod will never be in even in West Virginia HOF - nor rings of honor and Zero RichRod players are in Hall of Fame - WVU HOF.
Greatness is signified by Hall of Fame nomination and MEMBERSHIP
NOT Spue on a msg board.
We can talk Boldly here, call people insults BUT
But you never offered a response to why - Don Nehlen is in the
College Football Hall Of Fame with Major Harris and Daryl Talley Is in the College Football HOF (Nehlen's players)
AND RichRod will never be in even in West Virginia HOF - nor rings of honor and Zero RichRod players are in Hall of Fame - WVU HOF.
Greatness is signified by Hall of Fame nomination and MEMBERSHIP
NOT Spue on a msg board.
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Let's talk Behavior, Immature Behavior
I worked for USNAVY for 30+ years,
and I've hardly ever seen temper tantrums like by RichRod himself.
but after viewing many RichRod "Closed practices" and few bowl games - I've hardly ever witnessed immature
Behavior like PricRod.
HOF material? Nope
Ultimate Leadership? Nope
Leader of Men, Nope.
Family atmosphere, nope.
Best WVU coach Ever? NOPE
By the way Immature Behavior does Not affend me, I participate here.
I worked for USNAVY for 30+ years,
and I've hardly ever seen temper tantrums like by RichRod himself.
but after viewing many RichRod "Closed practices" and few bowl games - I've hardly ever witnessed immature
Behavior like PricRod.
HOF material? Nope
Ultimate Leadership? Nope
Leader of Men, Nope.
Family atmosphere, nope.
Best WVU coach Ever? NOPE
By the way Immature Behavior does Not affend me, I participate here.
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Seems you've gone around the bend. There is so much good ammo to back up your stance against RR. However you torpedo your point when you include ******** arguments and extraneous data. It's a ******** argument that RR "destroyed Nehlen's roster." RR may have created a different looking roster, but it wasn't a definitively inferior one. He did not destroy the roster. Only coach that did that since 1980 was Holgorsen. It's a ******** argument to bring up players in the WVU HoF that played under the coach. You mention Major and Talley, but ignore Pat White, Steve Slaton, and Dan Mozes? It's extraneous information that Nehlen is in the HoF and RR is not when your point isn't purely that Nehlen is superior to RR. Your point is that RR is bad and to that end you cannot acknowledge anything that might be good and that's where your credibility takes a dive. There is no logical way you can say a guy who created 2 BCS Bowl winning teams and came within a hair of the national title game, albeit by way of a self inflicted wound, is not at least good at something. For at least a few years RR was able to assemble a roster and then use that roster very effectively in creating a solid team. Sure it was not sustained success. Maybe he was a prick in practice. Maybe he was a prick in his private life. Maybe he divorced WVU in a terrible way. None of that if true changes the fact that from 2005-2007, WVU had great success and it wasn't just "the coach got lucky"
Sorry I'm bored..
You didn't discuss
the 9 - 13 Loss to Pittsburgh.
Especially the following drama orchestration following 9 - 13.
You didn't properly address
the HOF Facts.
RichRod will Never be in WVU Hall of Fame - He silled his fate.
Maybe, just maybe this counter debate signals how "gullible" and "desperate" this fan base actually is.
RichRod nor Holgerson will never return, even in a ceremonial bases.
May I repeat- there will never be a Ceremonial return for RichRod.
No celebration for RichRod.
You/we can't separate the full picture of PricRod.
The Pittsburgh loss, signals he never accepted responsibility of that Pitt Disaster.
Believe what you wish, but nobody is better than HoF Major and HoF Nehlen.
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You again are incoherently ranting. You 're saying 2 different things and act as though people must accept both or nothing at all. RR was not as good as Nehlen. He also had at least some acumen as a coach to accomplish what he did and despite all his failings he was not the worst FB coach to walk the earth as you frame him to be. Not being as good as Nehlen, not being in the hall of fame, choking away a huge game, instigating a messy divorce, etc... does not negate the fact he had some positive coaching ability. You seem to have to see this issue as an all or nothing stance. You pretty much say that unless you don't believe RR is the absolute worst at everything for all time without any redeeming qualities or benefit to WVU, you must therefore think he is the GOAT. RR despite every failing you mentioned still had some good coaching points during his time at WVU and is not the Cignetti like incompetent boob you make him out to be.
You're "Jibber Jabbering", again.
That 9 - 13 disaster was in the 3 year period
you referenced.
Losing to Pittsburgh is probably the biggest Disaster in West Virginia sports history.
I guess
you blocked the pain.
Wonder who was the wvu head coach, during that 9 - 13 disaster?
Saved Wannstash's job...
Lost to a 5-7 Pitt.
Shady McCoy run amuck
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I'm not, you're obfuscating. Answer these questions. Was RR better than Cignetti? Did RR not preside over at least the 2nd loftiest position WVU football has ever been to? If so, how is it possible he presided over that without being at least an average coach in some respect be it game planning, recruiting, fundamentals/execution, etc... ? Lastly, are you saying that RR was overall a terrible coach without positive impact on WVU during the 2000's.
I'm sorry I'm not going
to read closely, your comments...my mistake here is engaging in a debate with you.
I do not hold grudges, here.
I do not believe, in what you believe.
RichRod will never be
in West Virginia HOF,
NEVER EVER.
RichRod WV damages
will never be erased.
RICHROD will never be invited back.
Ps....I heard "through the Grapevine" that RichRod lobbied Oliver Luck
to return to WVU
when he failed at Michigan.
Oliver turned down RichRod to return to WV.
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I do not agree with the way DickRod left WVU. However most of the blame goes to Garrison and Pastilong who made little to no effort at fundraising what so ever. All EP did was whine and say there's no $. Ollie made a few phone calls and was able to generate the $.
Does anybody remember Ken Kendrick? One of our most generous boosters who had an evaluation done on the athletic dept. 50 discrepancies were found that could have been fixed with little to no $. He said it best about our AD in 07. "A 40 to 50 million a year operation ran like a dry cleaning store" You don't tell your best employee what he needs, you ask him what he wants.
Yes DIckRods success after WVU was usually average except for the 13 or 14 year when he won the PAC 12 South at Arizona. My prediction is he'll eventually end up as a head coach at Marshall.