Good move as well. You rarely even see those rehires go well. Catching lightning in a bottle twice is hard.I'm sorry I'm not going
to read closely, your comments...my mistake here is engaging in a debate with you.
I do not hold grudges, here.
I do not believe, in what you believe.
RichRod will never be
in West Virginia HOF,
NEVER EVER.
RichRod WV damages
will never be erased.
RICHROD will never be invited back.
Ps....I heard "through the Grapevine" that RichRod lobbied Oliver Luck
to return to WVU
when he failed at Michigan.
Oliver turned down RichRod to return to WV.
Seems you've gone around the bend. There is so much good ammo to back up your stance against RR. However you torpedo your point when you include ******** arguments and extraneous data. It's a ******** argument that RR "destroyed Nehlen's roster." RR may have created a different looking roster, but it wasn't a definitively inferior one. He did not destroy the roster. Only coach that did that since 1980 was Holgorsen. It's a ******** argument to bring up players in the WVU HoF that played under the coach. You mention Major and Talley, but ignore Pat White, Steve Slaton, and Dan Mozes? It's extraneous information that Nehlen is in the HoF and RR is not when your point isn't purely that Nehlen is superior to RR. Your point is that RR is bad and to that end you cannot acknowledge anything that might be good and that's where your credibility takes a dive. There is no logical way you can say a guy who created 2 BCS Bowl winning teams and came within a hair of the national title game, albeit by way of a self inflicted wound, is not at least good at something. For at least a few years RR was able to assemble a roster and then use that roster very effectively in creating a solid team. Sure it was not sustained success. Maybe he was a prick in practice. Maybe he was a prick in his private life. Maybe he divorced WVU in a terrible way. None of that if true changes the fact that from 2005-2007, WVU had great success and it wasn't just "the coach got lucky"
Don Nehlen
had 2 undefeated Seasons.
88
93
Maybe,
you all were in Diapers in 88/93.
RichRod never finished season undefeated.
Bowl season, I guess is different
for the purpose of this slanted discussion.
Let talk numbers
149 West Virginia wins
61 is 2nd
60 is 3rd
I was never sure if that was true but I had heard from some close to the situation that he wanted some very shady things.
Rich Rod ...WVU'S best coach ever. Period. Only the immature and uninformed children would think otherwise.
They both had their moments good and bad. But if Coach B left tomorrow would you hire either one to replace him? I wouldn't. I want a HC on the rise, not on a downward career slide.Like I said, Holgorsen only won "big" games when it didn't matter for the season. He had a 10 win season in a down Big 12, but couldn't win a big game there against the only 2 conference foes worth a damn that year. Never could win a game against a ranked team with the conference on the line. Holgs never would've won the 2005 or 2007 Louisville games. So a coach with less wins and a comparable winning percentage that actual won the conference and a prestigious bowl more than once is better than the coach that never won the conference or a meaningful bowl game on their own.
You state your case in a reasonable and quite compelling manner now. Leaving emotion either way and bitterness out of it, RR made WVU a top 10 program for a little while, I remember that. How he left, why he left and his lack of success since then does not erase that. The Pitt loss will always be a bitter pill to swallow because it took away a chance to play for the NC. It was a poorly coached game by WVU and brilliant strategy by Pitt coaches, but it was still a single game. As they say, you'll have that.Seems you've gone around the bend. There is so much good ammo to back up your stance against RR. However you torpedo your point when you include ******** arguments and extraneous data. It's a ******** argument that RR "destroyed Nehlen's roster." RR may have created a different looking roster, but it wasn't a definitively inferior one. He did not destroy the roster. Only coach that did that since 1980 was Holgorsen. It's a ******** argument to bring up players in the WVU HoF that played under the coach. You mention Major and Talley, but ignore Pat White, Steve Slaton, and Dan Mozes? It's extraneous information that Nehlen is in the HoF and RR is not when your point isn't purely that Nehlen is superior to RR. Your point is that RR is bad and to that end you cannot acknowledge anything that might be good and that's where your credibility takes a dive. There is no logical way you can say a guy who created 2 BCS Bowl winning teams and came within a hair of the national title game, albeit by way of a self inflicted wound, is not at least good at something. For at least a few years RR was able to assemble a roster and then use that roster very effectively in creating a solid team. Sure it was not sustained success. Maybe he was a prick in practice. Maybe he was a prick in his private life. Maybe he divorced WVU in a terrible way. None of that if true changes the fact that from 2005-2007, WVU had great success and it wasn't just "the coach got lucky"
Interesting defense of your biased and irrational conclusion. The best coach ever doesn't give up the Pitt game for any price. That alone should keep him from ever being a P5 head coach again. But the sanctions he brought upon Michigan are hard to overlook also. Good defensive back though. Yeah, I guess I'm pretty immature and uneducated to be 68 yoa with a degree in Criminal Justice. But how could I be uninformed having read so many of your posts?
METHINKS YOU PROTEST TOO MUCH. I DON'T GET IRATE WHEN PEOPLE DISAGREE WITH ME. ALSO I NOTICE THE CLOSER I AM TO THE TRUTH THE ANGIER THE RESPONSES GET. RICH DID NOT GIVE UP THE PITT GAME. PAT WHITE WAS INJURED SO BADLY THAT HE MADE A POOR PASS INTO THE NORTH END ZONE AT THE END THAT WOULD HAVE WON THE GAME INSTEAD OF LOSING 9-13. A VICTORY OVER PITT AND PLAYING FOR THE NATIONAL CROWN WOULD HAVE BEEN A CROWNING ACHIEVEMENT FOR RICH. IT'S LUDICROUS TO THINK THAT HE WOULD THROW THE GAME IN A FIT OF ANGER AT THE ATHLETIC DIRECTOR, WHO WAS COASTING TOWARD RETIREMENT. A DEGREE IN CRIMINAL JUSTICE SHOULD HAVE TAUGHT YOU TO LISTEN TO THE TRUTH, EVEN WHEN YOU DON'T LIKE WHERE IT TAKES YOU. I DO THAT, AND HAVE TO REVERSE COURSE WHEN I SEE THAT IT SHOWS ME I WAS GOING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION. MY 43 YEARS AS A NEWSPAPER EDITOR INCLUDING 20 AS A SPORTSWRITER TAUGHT ME THAT. AS A SPORTSWRITER IN WEST VIRGINIA, OHIO AND FLORIDA. CHILL, AND SEEK THE TRUTH. YOU'LL LIVE LONGER AND HAPPIER. THAT'S HOW I GOT TO BE 88 YEARS OLD.
BY THE WAY I DID NOT SAY RICH WAS THE BEST COACH EVER. I SAID CLARENCE "DOC" SPEARS WAS BECAUSE HE WON WHAT I CONSIDER THE NATIONAL TITLE GAME IN 1922 BY BEATING GONZAGA IN THE EAST-WEST CLASSIC, PRECURSOR TO THE ROSE BOWL. I LISTED DON NEHLEN #2 AND RICH #3. READING COMPRENSION PROBLEM FOR AN ATTORNEY IS NOT A GOOD THING.
I was having a little fun at your expense, sorry. Pitt knew which way Pat nearly always ran according to one of their coaches. You know the strangest little action by a lineman or the QB himself can become a habit that gives away a play and it can be spotted by the right pair of eyes. I'm sure you know it happens and it tends to be a one game thing before it's resolved. The Pitt coach was likely eager to point it out to Rich after the game and I have no reason to think he lied. He could have just claimed they were the better team.
How do I really feel about Rich strictly during his time at WVU? My last post right above yours covers it. Due to your longevity, I have to ask. Did you also see this in person?
That Pittsburgh game was the biggest failure in WVU Sports History - as RichRod Coked all over himself.
You state your case in a reasonable and quite compelling manner now. Leaving emotion either way and bitterness out of it, RR made WVU a top 10 program for a little while, I remember that. How he left, why he left and his lack of success since then does not erase that. The Pitt loss will always be a bitter pill to swallow because it took away a chance to play for the NC. It was a poorly coached game by WVU and brilliant strategy by Pitt coaches, but it was still a single game. As they say, you'll have that.
Well there was a little more to that loss than play calling.I would say the second biggest failure happened to Coach Bowden on 10/19/1970. It also happened to be at Pitt and WVU had a 35-8 lead at halftime. Pitt came back and scored four unanswered TDs in the second half and won 36-35. Coach Bowden said later he learned something that day. Never play to not lose, play to win no matter what the score is.
I was having a little fun at your expense, sorry. Pitt knew which way Pat nearly always ran according to one of their coaches. You know the strangest little action by a lineman or the QB himself can become a habit that gives away a play and it can be spotted by the right pair of eyes. I'm sure you know it happens and it tends to be a one game thing before it's resolved. The Pitt coach was likely eager to point it out to Rich after the game and I have no reason to think he lied. He could have just claimed they were the better team.
How do I really feel about Rich strictly during his time at WVU? My last post right above yours covers it. Due to your longevity, I have to ask. Did you also see this in person?
?Well who cares, who gives a rat's ***, who gives a sht in this discussion?HELL, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT I HAD FOR LUNCH YESTERDAY. BUT IF THE GAME WAS IN MOUNTAINEER FIELD IN THE PAST 30+ YEARS I SAW IT. I ONLY MISSED 2 GAMES, AND 1 WAS BECAUSE AN ICESTORM CAUSED A 100-CAR PILEUP ON I-79 AND MY SISTER IN RIVESVILLE CALLED TO WARN ME NOT TO COME TO THE GAME. I WAS ALMOST IN YOUNGSTOWN AND TURNED AROUND AND WENT BACK HOME. MY FAVORITE MEMORIES WERE OF DARYLL TALLEY TERRORIZING QUARTERBACKS, HALFBACKS, FULLBACKS AND LINEMEN TRYING TO KEEP DARRYL FROM COMING OFF THE END TO DO HIS DAMAGE. THAT GUY IS BY FAR THE #1 DEFENDER IN MY LIFETIME. EVEN BETTER THAN SAM HUFF, WHO DID FAR MORE IN THE NFL THAN HE DID AT WVU, ALTHOUGH HE WAS GOOD FOR MY ALMA MATER. AS FOR OFFENSE, NOBODY COMES CLOSE TO TAVON AUSTIN. HE WAS A DISAPPEARING ACT THAT NO DEFENDER COULD STAY WITH. I KNOW THE MAJOR WAS GREAT, BUT TAVON'S 500-YARD GAME AGAINST OKLAHOMA IN THE 50-49 LOSS WAS EPIC. MY SON-IN-LAW WITH ME IN MOUNTAINEER FIELD AND I WERE BREATHLESS.
Taught us a new word, also. I understand quite well the parable from the book of Luke regarding the prodigal son, but prodacal is new to me. Perhaps a synonym?"Prodacal Coal Miners Son"
- turned "White Trash Spoiled Millionaire".
Simply Cannot make this stuff up.
Yes sir...Taught us a new word, also. I understand quite well the parable from the book of Luke regarding the prodigal son, but prodacal is new to me. Perhaps a synonym?
Michigan IS NOT a hard place for coaches to succeed.At Michigan a place where it's hard for many coaches to succeed he increased his win total every year.
Went 7-4 against a Big10 schedule probably a little more impressive than Brown's second season at WVU.
If he's given that 4th season he has a BCS Bowl team. Michigan stupidly jumped the gun on firing him. It took him 5 seasons at WVU to actually get it going.
At Arizona he had Two 8 win seasons
One 10 win season
Two 7 win seasons
One losing season.
Going 45-35 at Arizona is like going 45-35 at Wake Forest or Vanderbilt. I lived in Phoenix during his Arizona years, trust me ASU and Arizona are tough places to win at. Why go to Southern Arizona when you can go to Southern California or a Blue Blood like Texas. That area is twice as difficult to recruit to as WVU deals with.
I get hating him because you feel betrayed but saying he failed (like a few select people claim) is silly and an uneducated biased claim. Get over it.
Yes sir...
I kinda think my spelling/grammar
kinda Fits the Logic Preached here.
As far as the message, when I reflect on what I wrote here
- RichRod was "greatness lost", not "greatness attained".
Oh well - as I laugh about your corrections,
I made it through
WVU Engineering School &
32 years USNAVY Engineering,
32 Years Chief Engineering Office NAVSEA
by my ability to Communicate Verbally,
Talk and Think.
Harsh my comments, but Truth Hurts.
If I'm not mistaken, his 7-4 year at Michigan followed the season they were ***** slapped for five NCAA violations under his control. Bo Schembechler didn't have much trouble winning at Michigan for 20 years. With a record of 194-48-5 as their head coach he never had a losing record. He also provided WVU with a talented young assistant named Don Nehlen to be their head coach.Michigan IS NOT a hard place for coaches to succeed.
Rich's record at Michigan speaks for itself....worst in school history. His Big 10 conference record was a mere 6-18 at one of the storied programs in all of college football. That is not subjective...those are the facts. Take the time to look at the history of Michigan football and you will see why he got canned.
At Arizona, he was ordinary at best. His Pac 12 conference W-L record was only 24-30.
Bottom line is that Rich has not performed very well as a head coach at the P5 level, and that is one of the reasons that he is no longer in demand by P5 programs as a head coach.
You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts.
?Well who cares, who gives a rat's ***, who gives a sht in this discussion?
This debate has gone ashtray - as you all wasted most of our lives with this 48 or 96++ hour debate,
which we'll never get back.
But we are back to the same spot.
West Virginia is NOT interested in NCAA Probation - nor is WVU interested in being accused of Racist practices by coaches who are fleding to Michigan with their "hair plugs on fire", WHILE NOT WANTING TO PAY A CONTRACTUAL Buy Out to the tune of $4 million.
This cannot be ignored when a debate on WVU "greatness", is occurring.
60 wins + unnecessary DRAMA (unnecessary CAPS, to make a point) does Not Match (and never Will match)
a College Football HOF Coach
plus 149 WVU Wins.
Waste of time,
Waste of Space this crap.
WV can't help that the "Prodacal Coal Miners Son" is simply -- White Trash and now morfed into
a Spoiled Million Aire.
Sorry
but I ain't that Sorry.
Wvu fans aren't as Stupid as the examples credited Here.
Maybe I missed something along the convoluted trajectory of this thread. I thought this thread started with that **** stirring moron Vault Hunter trying to claim that RR's failure at Michigan and middling at best results at Arizona were something more. I don't recall him or anyone else saying that they wanted RR back or for him to be in the WVU HOF, although said moron OP may have been trying to imply that. I do recall a few claiming he was WVU's best coach ever which is not true. I also recall some implying RR was utter trash in all aspects and not a positive for WVU during his heyday which is also untrue. RR is a POS in his personal life and business professional life. RR had a nasty divorce with WVU that, while he had some legit grievances with the athletic department who were incompetent boobs themselves, was filled with unjustifiable scumbag behavior. Currently RR is 20 years removed from his big time head coaching debut and is no longer the innovator he once was. His track record over the last 7 or so years is not even average.
RR was also a very competent headcoach in running a football program and in his brief heyday from 2005-2007 was a damn good coach. That doesn't make him the best and it doesn't guarantee that had he stayed he would have continued to have similar success. However he was a good replacement for Nehlen and his 7 years were very positive for WVU which brought the program to the same heights of 1988 and 1993 under Nehlen. There are "flash in the pan" or "one hit wonders" in any profession as sustained, continuous high level success isn't easy lest anyone could do it. Perhaps that was the case with RR, but to deny he ever had a flash or hit at all during his head coaching career is just wrong.
Again, it was just a dig . I realized what you were doing there. I spent some time copy editing also but to a much lesser extent. Both of us still do it in our minds whether reading articles here or in a major publication, right?
Besides, if I used the word 'there' when the possessive adjective 'their' was appropriate you would likely observe it and correct me.
One more and then I'll stop, OK? I've also noticed how much easier it is to copy edit someone else's writing than your own. Apparently we sometimes see what we meant to write instead of what is actually on the screen.Yes sir...
I know that being "an Editor"
is easier then being "an Author".
One more and then I'll stop, OK? I've also noticed how much easier it is to copy edit someone else's writing than your own. Apparently we sometimes see what we meant to write instead of what is actually on the screen.
While my volume doesn't compare with yours and many others, I wrote quite a few sports articles for several entities including Bleacher Report a few years ago. My ultimate goal is to write an unauthorized autobiography!
Regarding Mr. Rodriguez and perhaps Mr. Holgorsen as well, I guess it would actually come down to would you rehire him if Coach Brown left? VaultHunter?
?Well who cares, who gives a rat's ***, who gives a sht in this discussion?
This debate has gone ashtray - as you all wasted most of our lives with this 48 or 96++ hour debate,
which we'll never get back.
But we are back to the same spot.
West Virginia is NOT interested in NCAA Probation - nor is WVU interested in being accused of Racist practices by coaches who are fleding to Michigan with their "hair plugs on fire", WHILE NOT WANTING TO PAY A CONTRACTUAL Buy Out to the tune of $4 million.
This cannot be ignored when a debate on WVU "greatness", is occurring.
60 wins + unnecessary DRAMA (unnecessary CAPS, to make a point) does Not Match (and never Will match)
a College Football HOF Coach
plus 149 WVU Wins.
Waste of time,
Waste of Space this crap.
WV can't help that the "Prodacal Coal Miners Son" is simply -- White Trash and now morfed into
a Spoiled Million Aire.
Sorry
but I ain't that Sorry.
Wvu fans aren't as Stupid as the examples credited Here.
AGAIN, 149 WINS AND 93 LOSSES. LONGEVITY HAD AS MUCH TO DO WITH THAT AS DON, A COACH THAT I RESPECT GREATLY, BUT HE AVERAGED 7-4 PER SEASON. THAT IS NOT SPECTACULAR IN ANY BOOK. NO MATTER HOW OFTEN YOU THROW OUT 149. DOES THAT MEAN YOU THINK HUGGINS IS OVER-RATED BECAUSE HE IS NOT IN THE HALL OF FAME? HUGGINS IS A FAR, FAR BETTER COACH THAN NEHLEN. SO WAS FRED SCHAUS, DOC SPEARS AND RICH RODRIGUEZ. BOBBY BOWDEN DIDN'T SHINE TILL HE WENT TO FLORIDA STATE. CARLEN WAS ONLY AT WVU FOR 2 YEARS. DID WELL, BUT 2 YEARS IS NOT ENOUGH PROOF OF GOOD OR BAD. EVERY TIME YOU SAY 149 WITHOUT SAYING 93 IT EXPOSES YOUR IRRATIONAL BIAS. I JUST GO WHERE THE NUMBERS TAKE ME. IT'S MORE INTELLIGENT.