Schiano 1 vs. Schiano 2

[Plum Street]

I’m not happy with what we have bc I truly believe the potential for this program, though not at a bama type level, can reach Wiscy / Iowa / Sparty heights and I don’t see it happening with Greg at the helm

All we have heard is potential . I think many rutgers fans have pie in the sky dreams. Save for a few seasons under schiano 1, nothing in rutgers history suggests it can reach any of those levels you mention . There is a big enough body of work to make an educated forecast.
There is nothing wrong than wanting to have a good program that fans and alums can be proud of . But we don’t have that. Never really have.
Eventually it’s time to face facts and temper your expectations. We have been a college football joke . Be happy schiano has made us respectable for now

 

[mdk02]

This is mathematically incorrect… Allow me to explain. There are 41 post season bowl games played between 82 teams with only 133 D1 programs in the country. Statistically speaking every team in the country has a 61.65% chance of making a bowl game based on strictly the math.

So no, when over 61% of ALL D1 programs go to Bowl games and we have benefitted from the easiest schedule we will ever see in this conference (I know our fans don’t like to admit it but we’ve beat 2 big ten teams who fired their coach the previous week and Indiana, with the Michigan state win coming as a result of pure and total luck, there’s no other way to spin it).

Next year’s schedule is a bear, and I gotta be honest I’m so sick of excuses by Greg. I’m so tired of his excuses. It’s excuse after excuse after excuses never taking the blame, spending $2.8 MILLION on OC’s this year.

At some point folks have to stop comparing him to Ash as well. Ash was the worst coach in program history, great he’s better than that guy!

Easiest schedule we'll ever see? This is the last schedule with all 3 of the B1G East powerhouses in the same year along with the 2 top teams in the B1G West. Unless the 2 top PAC-12 teams hit in the same year consistently this is not the easiest schedule.

 

[Plum Street]

Easiest schedule we'll ever see? This is the last schedule with all 3 of the B1G East powerhouses in the same year along with the 2 top teams in the B1G West. Unless the 2 top PAC-12 teams hit in the same year consistently this is not the easiest schedule.

To be fair , 2 of our BIG wins were against interim coaches. . Yes , northwestern and Braun got it together but they were a mess when they opened with us.

 

[mdk02]

To be fair , 2 of our BIG wins were against interim coaches. . Yes , northwestern and Braun got it together but they were a mess when they opened with us.

It's the top of the schedule that will never be tougher. Depending on the poll #2 and #3 in the country.

 

[Plum Street]

It's the top of the schedule that will never be tougher. Depending on the poll #2 and #3 in the country.

That’s probably true

 

[RobertG]

I’m looking for a somewhat competent offense that shows a little bit of creativity, and at the very least, appears to have evolved into 21st century football with some creative schemes, wrinkles and the occasional long pass / reverse / new twist

To make a competent offense we need a competent passing game, and right now we don't have that. And I believe that GS and every coach knows that. Schiano and staff built an offense around the strengths of the team: Running game and defense with a little passing to keep the other team honest. I think the staff did an admirable job given the talent.

Now you may ask why in year 4 are we deficient in talent to run a decent passing game well that's a different conversation.

 

[RUforlife]

Mediocre FBS head coach no other program would hire, but cult icon by some fans at Rutgers.

 

[Yeah Baby]

To make a competent offense we need a competent passing game, and right now we don't have that. And I believe that GS and every coach knows that. Schiano and staff built an offense around the strengths of the team: Running game and defense with a little passing to keep the other team honest. I think the staff did an admirable job given the talent.

Now you may ask why in year 4 are we deficient in talent to run a decent passing game well that's a different conversation.

That’s an easy answer and I said it above. We play in the BIG. What pass happy teams do you see in the BIG? How many teams do you see with great Defenses, strong run games and mammoth OL? I think we have some pretty blind fans.

How many passes did PSU throw against us? How many did Michigan throw against PSU? Which teams won and why? Hint: neither team won because of their passing game. I shouldn’t have to say it but based on this thread I felt the need to state the abundantly obvious answer.

I swear our fans on this board can’t see what is so clear to most reasonable people.

 

[RobertG]

I’m not happy with what we have bc I truly believe the potential for this program, though not at a bama type level, can reach Wiscy / Iowa / Sparty heights and I don’t see it happening with Greg at the helm

Why don't you think that couldn't happen? First off Wiscy / Iowa and MSU have been winning programs for the past 30 years or so give or take. For the past 30 years RU has been known as one of the worst teams in college football and you are giving GS only 4 years to achive that goal?

IMO the team has definitely progressed enough to keep GS at the helm.

 

[JMORC2003]

They rebuilt France after WW2 faster than it's taking GS to rebuild after Ash.

 

[RUTGERS95]

This is mathematically incorrect… Allow me to explain. There are 41 post season bowl games played between 82 teams with only 133 D1 programs in the country. Statistically speaking every team in the country has a 61.65% chance of making a bowl game based on strictly the math.

So no, when over 61% of ALL D1 programs go to Bowl games and we have benefitted from the easiest schedule we will ever see in this conference (I know our fans don’t like to admit it but we’ve beat 2 big ten teams who fired their coach the previous week and Indiana, with the Michigan state win coming as a result of pure and total luck, there’s no other way to spin it).

Next year’s schedule is a bear, and I gotta be honest I’m so sick of excuses by Greg. I’m so tired of his excuses. It’s excuse after excuse after excuses never taking the blame, spending $2.8 MILLION on OC’s this year.

At some point folks have to stop comparing him to Ash as well. Ash was the worst coach in program history, great he’s better than that guy!

reason doesn't work here

I feel like we're celebrating growing an inch and now trying out for center at 5'9

 

[RUTGERS95]

I’m not happy with what we have bc I truly believe the potential for this program, though not at a bama type level, can reach Wiscy / Iowa / Sparty heights and I don’t see it happening with Greg at the helm

same

I feel like Greg will hold the team back like version 1.0 and his inability to have competent qb play is still an issue

I'd kill for a Jack Moran to come to here

 

[RobertG]

They rebuilt France after WW2 faster than it's taking GS to rebuild after Ash.

"That a Europe more prosperous than ever would emerge from this apocalypse astonished the world. Most economies shattered by war returned to pre-war levels of output within five years."

The Marshall plan also provided $2 Billion to France. So Schiano gets 1 more year and $1.9 Billion more

https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/reco... more prosperous,of output within five years.

 

[RU848789]

That playbook won 6 and got us to a legit bowl for the first time in years and produced the top rusher in the B1G, we were in every game. The team did not practice spreading the game out and we relied on ground and pound because that “is who we are” as Schiano stated. If you move the team away to a radically different approach late in the season you will get more mistakes. Mistakes lead to turnovers and turnovers lead to blowouts. With blowouts you have no chance.

Also if you listened to Schianos press conference after Iowa, Schiano stated that the offense that we run today may not be the offense of the future.

Also our passing game is one of the worst in the country, it would seem insane relying on the passing game against 2 of the best defenses in the county

Why don't you think that couldn't happen? First off Wiscy / Iowa and MSU have been winning programs for the past 30 years or so give or take. For the past 30 years RU has been known as one of the worst teams in college football and you are giving GS only 4 years to achive that goal?

IMO the team has definitely progressed enough to keep GS at the helm.

Great posts throughout this thread, including the two quoted above. Thanks for saving me some typing, lol. Our fanbase has quite a few people with unrealistic expectations, who don't understand the difficulty of improving while playing in the toughest half-conference in the country and can't appreciate the improvements we've clearly made, so far, even if we're still clearly deficient in some parts of the game and still lack quality depth.

Hopefully, we can address those areas and continue playing respectable football over the next couple of years and eventually reach WI/IA levels of success. I think that is attainable and likely our ceiling (sans a huge influx of donor support) and I'd be ecstatic with that level of success, while running a clean program we can be proud of.

 

[mdk02]

They rebuilt France after WW2 faster than it's taking GS to rebuild after Ash.

France wasn't competing against the SEC and the rest of the B1G for recruits.

 

[JayDogSmooth]

Why don't you think that couldn't happen? First off Wiscy / Iowa and MSU have been winning programs for the past 30 years or so give or take. For the past 30 years RU has been known as one of the worst teams in college football and you are giving GS only 4 years to achive that goal?

IMO the team has definitely progressed enough to keep GS at the helm.

I never said, I think that Greg Schiano should get fired, I just said that I don’t think he’s the guy to get us to that next level

What he’s done in four years here has been commendable, considering where Ash left us, with Covid, as well as playing in the Big Ten

I fully expect him to be here another 5+ years, and hopefully get us to that seven or eight when plateau, get us the football only facility and the other needed improvements

But he is not anywhere near the Coach to get us to the next level, where I truly believe that we can be, as he is damn near 20 years into his head, coaching tenure with us & the Bucs,, and nothing has shown me that he has learned from his previous mistakes and get to that next level coaching wise like Sabin, urban, Norvell, Dabo, etc. have acended to

 

[JayDogSmooth]

same

I feel like Greg will hold the team back like version 1.0 and his inability to have competent qb play is still an issue

I'd kill for a Jack Moran to come to here

I’d love to be wrong,

I’d be the first to come on here admit I was way off and that Greg has outperformed my expectations and we are on that level if we ever get to it


I just do not see it happening as he has not evolved, and does not appear to have learned from his past coaching Ways

 

[zebnatto]

If you break the game down to five components (special teams, run offense, pass offense, run defense, pass defense), only one is holding us back but impacting the other four (less so special teams).

 

[RUTGERS95]

I’d love to be wrong,

I’d be the first to come on here admit I was way off and that Greg has outperformed my expectations and we are on that level if we ever get to it


I just do not see it happening as he has not evolved, and does not appear to have learned from his past coaching Ways

complete agreement

 

[NickRU714]

It's the top of the schedule that will never be tougher. Depending on the poll #2 and #3 in the country.

Separate topic but I'm skeptical that our schedule just drops of a cliff next year.
I know we don't have OSU/UM/PSU next year but is nobody else going to be good?
Sure UW/USC could drop - but couldn't be said every year with OSU/UM/PSU?

People were saying Wisconsin would easily win the West and be ranked this year.
Wouldn't they be better next year then?
Make sense to expect MSU to be better next year without Tucker (who everyone said was overrated before the controversy)?

We should also be better next year but I'm not sold on the schedule being dramatically easier.

 

[RUTGERS95]

Separate topic but I'm skeptical that our schedule just drops of a cliff next year.
I know we don't have OSU/UM/PSU next year but is nobody else going to be good?
Sure UW/USC could drop - but couldn't be said every year with OSU/UM/PSU?

People were saying Wisconsin would easily win the West and be ranked this year.
Wouldn't they be better next year then?
Make sense to expect MSU to be better next year without Tucker (who everyone said was overrated before the controversy)?

We should also be better next year but I'm not sold on the schedule being dramatically easier.

we cought some teams in utter chaos and in down year and we took advantage, as we should have. I too don't expect sparty or wisc or usc/ucla to be easy next year

obviously not playing um, psu, osu is huge

 

[RobertG]

I never said, I think that Greg Schiano should get fired, I just said that I don’t think he’s the guy to get us to that next level

What he’s done in four years here has been commendable, considering where Ash left us, with Covid, as well as playing in the Big Ten

I fully expect him to be here another 5+ years, and hopefully get us to that seven or eight when plateau, get us the football only facility and the other needed improvements

But he is not anywhere near the Coach to get us to the next level, where I truly believe that we can be, as he is damn near 20 years into his head, coaching tenure with us & the Bucs,, and nothing has shown me that he has learned from his previous mistakes and get to that next level coaching wise like Sabin, urban, Norvell, Dabo, etc. have acended to

Sabin = Alabama
Norvell = FSU
Sweeny = Clemson
Urban = OSU, Florida

Alabama, FSU, Clemson, OSU, Florida, Rutgers. 5 of those teams have have storied histories of winning with rabid fan bases across their state and nationally and full institutional support. 1 doesn't.

I think your expectations are not going to be met by anyone until there is a consistent winner here for 10 years in a row.

 

[mdk02]

Separate topic but I'm skeptical that our schedule just drops of a cliff next year.
I know we don't have OSU/UM/PSU next year but is nobody else going to be good?
Sure UW/USC could drop - but couldn't be said every year with OSU/UM/PSU?

People were saying Wisconsin would easily win the West and be ranked this year.
Wouldn't they be better next year then?
Make sense to expect MSU to be better next year without Tucker (who everyone said was overrated before the controversy)?

We should also be better next year but I'm not sold on the schedule being dramatically easier.

Doesn't drop off a cliff. But I was responding to a post stating this (2023) was the easiest schedule Rutgers will ever see.

 

[JayDogSmooth]

Sabin = Alabama
Norvell = FSU
Sweeny = Clemson
Urban = OSU, Florida

Alabama, FSU, Clemson, OSU, Florida, Rutgers. 5 of those teams have have storied histories of winning with rabid fan bases across their state and nationally and full institutional support. 1 doesn't.

I think your expectations are not going to be met by anyone until there is a consistent winner here for 10 years in a row.

They all came from humble means before they got their big breaks

Saban was at Toledo / sparty
Mike = Memphis
Dabo = real estate
Urbs = bowling green + Utah

The point is, they’ve all learned from their mistakes and evolved. I don’t see Gregg learning from his mistakes and evolving, that is my issue.

 

[yesrutgers01]

Doesn't drop off a cliff. But I was responding to a post stating this (2023) was the easiest schedule Rutgers will ever see.

imagine if someone told you playing the 1/2/11/20 ranked teams as well as a 4-1 Wisc with their starting QB healthy- plus VaTech- Would be considered the easiest schedule to anyone.

 

[RobertG]

They all came from humble means before they got their big breaks

Saban was at Toledo / sparty
Mike = Memphis
Dabo = real estate
Urbs = bowling green + Utah

The point is, they’ve all learned from their mistakes and evolved. I don’t see Gregg learning from his mistakes and evolving, that is my issue.

What would be the story on Schiano if he left RU in 2007 for Michigan? That's pretty much the trajectory of the above.

 

[JayDogSmooth]

What would be the story on Schiano if he left RU in 2007 for Michigan? That's pretty much the trajectory of the above.

He likely have been like Brady Hoke / Rich Rod, lasted 3 to 4 years, and been fired for lack of performance would be my best guess

Certainly wouldn’t have parlay that into the Buccaneers job

 

[mdk02]

imagine if someone told you playing the 1/2/11/20 ranked teams as well as a 4-1 Wisc with their starting QB healthy- plus VaTech- Would be considered the easiest schedule to anyone.

Someone did. Hard to believe.

 

[RobertG]

He likely have been like Brady Hoke / Rich Rod, lasted 3 to 4 years, and been fired for lack of performance would be my best guess

Certainly wouldn’t have parlay that into the Buccaneers job

Schiano is a much better recruiter than Hoke and Rich Rod was disliked by the players. Schiano seems to fit the mold of Michigan more so than those two. Who knows but I think he would have had much more success. Don't know if he would have ever beaten OSU. Might have been his WVU if he was at Mich.