Scientists Say Canadian Bacteria Fossils Are Earth’s Oldest-3.46 billion years old

[RichardPeterJohnson]

of course, wingnuts say scientists are off by 3.459994 billion years. Liberal conspiracy.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/01/science/earths-oldest-bacteria-fossils.html?_r=0

 

[op2]

They're just saying that because they're getting grant money to say it, just like with global warming. Right, WVPATX and TarHeelEer and alktvb?

 

[Airport]

of course, wingnuts say scientists are of by 3.459994 billion years. Liberal conspiracy.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/01/science/earths-oldest-bacteria-fossils.html?_r=0

Wonder what the weather was like back then? Wonder if we've had climate change since then?

 

[atlkvb]

They're just saying that because they're getting grant money to say it, just like with global warming. Right, WVPATX and TarHeelEer and alktvb?

Uh no Op2, because when did they start counting the years on those fossils? How long has Earth been rotating around the Sun Op2...and when did we start counting? Was the Earth "warming" during all that time Op2? Who was around to know?

So we (Man) show up in a relative blink of an eye against all measurements of time and now all of a sudden after all of these Billions and Billions of years of the Earth doing perfectly fine on its own we're about to fry the planet with our "global warming"?

We're more efficient than the Sun that's been doing it's thing to Earth for billions and billions of years, and only God knows how long before that? (since that's all of the time we're currently capable of measuring)

They just discovered 7 new Planets capable of sustaining Life as we know it rotating around some other star similar to our Sun in this solar system that's light years away from us. So how long is that Op2? How long has that star been there Op2? Where was Earth in the meantime? How did those planets get there? Before us, or after us?

They have all those answers Op2?

You do?

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

Wonder what the weather was like back then? Wonder if we've had climate change since then?

The climate has always been changing. But we've certainly helped it along.
Highest Recorded Temperatures In Antarctica Announced And They May Surprise You
https://www.forbes.com/sites/marsha...unced-and-they-may-surprise-you/#15dbf8fc52e7

 

[atlkvb]

The climate has always been changing. But we've certainly helped it along.
Highest Recorded Temperatures In Antarctica Announced And They May Surprise You
https://www.forbes.com/sites/marsha...unced-and-they-may-surprise-you/#15dbf8fc52e7

Yep, and we know that maybe 300 billion years ago it was no where near as warm as it is now right RPJ?

 

[atlkvb]

They're just saying that because they're getting grant money to say it, just like with global warming. Right, WVPATX and TarHeelEer and alktvb?

Tell me Op2, what do the rock experts say was year zero? In other words, when was there "no rocks"...then "rocks" to start their countdown back to when the rocks weren't rocks?

What was there before the "rocks" that have apparently been here for "billions and billions of years"?

How do they know that if they can't point to year zero?

Why do you believe them?

 

[bamaEER]

The climate has always been changing. But we've certainly helped it along.
Highest Recorded Temperatures In Antarctica Announced And They May Surprise You
https://www.forbes.com/sites/marsha...unced-and-they-may-surprise-you/#15dbf8fc52e7

Absolutely.

 

[op2]

Uh no Op2, because when did they start counting the years on those fossils? How long has Earth been rotating around the Sun Op2...and when did we start counting? Was the Earth "warming" during all that time Op2? Who was around to know?

So we (Man) show up in a relative blink of an eye against all measurements of time and now all of a sudden after all of these Billions and Billions of years of the Earth doing perfectly fine on its own we're about to fry the planet with our "global warming"?

We're more efficient than the Sun that's been doing it's thing to Earth for billions and billions of years, and only God knows how long before that? (since that's all of the time we're currently capable of measuring)

They just discovered 7 new Planets capable of sustaining Life as we know it rotating around some other star similar to our Sun in this solar system that's light years away from us. So how long is that Op2? How long has that star been there Op2? Where was Earth in the meantime? How did those planets get there? Before us, or after us?

They have all those answers Op2?

You do?

My point wasn't to revive a global warming debate but rather just to note that scientists do their thing (discovering truth as best they can) all the time without this shroud of "They're saying it because they're getting a grant" hanging over their results. It's only when someone doesn't like the results that the grant part comes into it.

I'm no cosmologist but I know a little but from your questions I get the impression you don't think we know as much as we do. We know roughly how long the Sun and the Earth have been here so we don't have to say "...and God knows how long before that."

I don't know how old those stars are then the new planet they found are orbiting but the researchers might because believe it or not they can figure such things out. And it's known how planets form too, generally speaking.

You have the Internet at your disposal. If you're truly interested you can learn a lot. Start reading more popular science websites and less political websites, 99% of which are garbage.

 

[atlkvb]

from your questions I get the impression you don't think we know as much as we do

Correct Op2! You get to move to the head of the class my Man!

My point is the more we learn (good) the more we understand what we don't know. So to pimp these "scientists" as having definitive answers is not only myopic, but wrong.

The vastness of the known Universe and how long it's been around is something we are still discovering Op2 (just as we recently found those new planets that apparently have always been there, but we're just now seeing them)

So I think it's best just to keep an open mind about these 'discoveries' instead of arrogantly trying to use each one to definitively compile our exact chronological history.

 

[atlkvb]

We know roughly how long the Sun and the Earth have been here so we don't have to say "...and God knows how long before that."
then you said:
I don't know how old those stars are then the new planet they found

Stop contradicting yourself Op2, you're better than that.

 

[op2]

Correct Op2! You get to move to the head of the class my Man!

My point is the more we learn (good) the more we understand what we don't know. So to pimp these "scientists" as having definitive answers is not only myopic, but wrong.

The vastness of the known Universe and how long it's been around is something we are still discovering Op2 (just as we recently found those new planets that apparently have always been there, but we're just now seeing them)

So I think it's best just to keep an open mind about these 'discoveries' instead of arrogantly trying to use each one to definitively compile our exact chronological history.

We had discovered any planets until about 20 years ago. That doesn't mean we didn't think planets exist. Technology evolves.

I don't see you denying all the science that is behind the computer you're using right now. You simply pick and choose.

You have the internet. Go read some science. I'm serious. It's fascinating and humbling to know that the ordinary person today has access to all this knowledge that the richest kings in the world in the past didn't have access to.

 

[op2]

Stop contradicting yourself Op2, you're better than that.

That's not a contradiction. You have serious reading comprehension issues. Just read the words on the page and think about what they mean. Don't hastily jump to conclusions.

 

[TarHeelEer]

They're just saying that because they're getting grant money to say it, just like with global warming. Right, WVPATX and TarHeelEer and alktvb?

I don't see any political issues with this, currently.

 

[atlkvb]

That's not a contradiction. You have serious reading comprehension issues. Just read the words on the page and think about what they mean. Don't hastily jump to conclusions.

I usually do, then you confuse me.

 

[Airport]

The climate has always been changing. But we've certainly helped it along.
Highest Recorded Temperatures In Antarctica Announced And They May Surprise You
https://www.forbes.com/sites/marsha...unced-and-they-may-surprise-you/#15dbf8fc52e7

Tell me how we caused the ice ages to end? It was before I bought my Tahoe and then the Denali!

 

[atlkvb]

We had discovered any planets until about 20 years ago. That doesn't mean we didn't think planets exist. Technology evolves.

I don't see you denying all the science that is behind the computer you're using right now. You simply pick and choose.

You have the internet. Go read some science. I'm serious. It's fascinating and humbling to know that the ordinary person today has access to all this knowledge that the richest kings in the world in the past didn't have access to.

I agree with you Op2! As a matter of fact Revelation promises us that in the last days Man's knowledge will explode. Amazing how that's so appropriate today?

I love Science, and technology. I'm thrilled with each new discovery. Never tire of it. I simply understand that measured against infinity, we are still very limited in our knowledge and I'm careful never to arrogantly assume we have all answers to all questions.

I prefer to balance our advances against what we know.

That is we are not here by accident.

That we are wondrously and marvelously made.

That we have design specific purpose through intelligent creation of our known quantities, and that we can thank our Creator for all of this marvelous complexity that we are finding more about each day we seek to endeavor to learn more about it.

I'm comfortable Op2 with whatever we learn in pursuit of that, but I'm never going to assume that our ongoing discovery obviates the reasons behind it.

 

[op2]

I agree with you Op2. I love Science, and technology. I'm thrilled with each new discovery. Never tire of it. I simply understand that measured against infinity, we are still very limited in our knowledge and I'm careful never to arrogantly assume we have all answers to all questions.

I prefer to balance our advances against what we know.

That is we are not here by accident.

That we are wondrously and marvelously made.

That we have design specific purpose through intelligent creation of our known quantities, and that we can thank our Creator for all of this marvelous complexity that we are finding more about each day we seek to endeavor to learn more about it.

I'm comfortable Op2 with whatever we learn in pursuit of that, but I'm never going to assume that our ongoing discovery obviates the reasons behind it.

Okay, wait a second. Which is it. Do you think we should not arrogantly assume we have the answers to all the question? Or do you know how and why we're here? The two are mutually incompatible so it's gotta be one or the other.

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

Tell me how we caused the ice ages to end? It was before I bought my Tahoe and then the Denali!

I'll let NASA explain it to you.

The Earth's climate has changed throughout history. Just in the last 650,000 years there have been seven cycles of glacial advance and retreat, with the abrupt end of the last ice age about 7,000 years ago marking the beginning of the modern climate era — and of human civilization. Most of these climate changes are attributed to very small variations in Earth’s orbit that change the amount of solar energy our planet receives.
The current warming trend is of particular significance because most of it is very likely human-induced and proceeding at a rate that is unprecedented in the past 1,300 years.

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

I agree with you Op2! As a matter of fact Revelation promises us that in the last days Man's knowledge will explode. .

Looks like we're safe thanks to the 40-50% of the country who deny science-everything from human influenced climate change to natural selection. We've got at least a few hundred more years before the 2nd coming.

 

[bamaEER]

I'll let NASA explain it to you.

The Earth's climate has changed throughout history. Just in the last 650,000 years there have been seven cycles of glacial advance and retreat, with the abrupt end of the last ice age about 7,000 years ago marking the beginning of the modern climate era — and of human civilization. Most of these climate changes are attributed to very small variations in Earth’s orbit that change the amount of solar energy our planet receives.
The current warming trend is of particular significance because most of it is very likely human-induced and proceeding at a rate that is unprecedented in the past 1,300 years.

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

"It's a ruse....fake news.....NASA will be defunded" Biff

 

[atlkvb]

Okay, wait a second. Which is it. Do you think we should not arrogantly assume we have the answers to all the question? Or do you know how and why we're here? The two are mutually incompatible so it's gotta be one or the other.

No no not at all Op2! We should diligently seek answers to our questions, and we should never assume we have all of the answers.

When you were a little tyke, there is no way your Momma who I'm sure Loved you dearly could sit you down at 5 years of age and explain to you all you now know or have learned. You're a pretty smart cookie, but you didn't get it all in one day Op2, and she wasn't capable of feeding you that much information anyway.

So much like you as a little shaver just feeling your way around, your Parents helped you learn how to learn. The more you learned, the more you knew, but the more you also discovered you didn't know. That didn't stop you from learning, and it didn't keep you from asking "what else"? You moved on from them and kept asking, kept discovering until you reached the point to where you are today and I hope you don't think you have it all figured out yet?

We're the same way Op2 to our "Parent" or our "Creator". We're just like you at 5 years of age...able to learn certainly, able to discover...but woefully inadequate to understand all at this relatively young age in our pursuit. We can of course keep asking, keep growing, and keep reaching new vistas of understanding. But no way should we assume we have it all figured out.

We learn more, we grow, and we also learn what more we don't know. So it's not an "either/or" as your question to me suggests...it's more of "what's next" in my example to you.

We'll never know it all (that's impossible) but we should never top trying to learn as much as we can.

Just like you didn't Op2 when you started learning...and I hope you still are?

 

[atlkvb]

Looks like we're safe thanks to the 40-50% of the country who deny science-everything from human influenced climate change to natural selection. We've got at least a few hundred more years before the 2nd coming.

It (Revelation) also says RPJ that no one knows when that day is coming. It could be tomorrow, or it may be millions of years after you and I are long gone. As I said, measured against infinity, our time here on this Earth is just a blink of an eye. (Which Revelation also says is how the end will come)

In the blink of an eye.

So we still have lots more time to learn RPJ, but it's not unlimited.

 

[op2]

No no not at all Op2! We should diligently seek answers to our questions, and we should never assume we have all of the answers.

When you were a little tyke, there is no way your Momma who I'm sure Loved you dearly could sit you down at 5 years of age and explain to you all you now know or have learned. You're a pretty smart cookie, but you didn't get it all in one day Op2, and she wasn't capable of feeding you that much information anyway.

So much like you as a little shaver just feeling your way around, your Parents helped you learn how to learn. The more you learned, the more you knew, but the more you also discovered you didn't know. That didn't stop you from learning, but it kept you asking "what else"? You moved on from them and kept asking, kept discovering until you reached the point to where you are today and I hope you don't think you have it all figured out yet?

We're the same way Op2 to our "Parent" or our "Creator". We're just like you at 5 years of age...able to learn certainly, able to discover...but woefully inadequate to understand all at this relatively young age in our pursuit. We can of course keep asking, keep growing, and keep reaching new vistas of understanding. But no way should we assume we have it all figured out.

We learn more, we grow, and we also learn what more we don't know. So it's not an "either/or" as your question to me suggests...it's more of "what's next" in my example to you.

We'll never know it all (that's impossible) but we should never top trying to learn as much as we can.

Just like you didn't Op2 when you started learning...and I hope you still are?

I agree we'll never know everything and I don't know anyone that says otherwise, but saying we should be humble about what we know and then turning around and saying there is a Creator is contradictory If you claim there's a Creator then you're not being humble about what we know.

 

[op2]

It (Revelation) also says RPJ that no one knows when that day is coming. It could be tomorrow, or it may be millions of years after you and I are long gone. As I said, measured against infinity, our time here on this Earth is just a blink of an eye. (Which Revelation also says is how the end will come)

In the blink of an eye.

So we still have lots more time to learn RPJ, but it's not unlimited.

Why don't you tell the people that wrote Revealation to be humble and stop talking like they know things that they don't know?

 

[atlkvb]

Why don't you tell the people that wrote Revealation to be humble and stop talking like they know things that they don't know?

That's the point Op2, the Author (John) didn't know the exact time or the exact moment the end would come. He had a revelation from Almighty God of the circumstances and conditions that would precede the end, but not even John knew the exact moment. (no one does)

So your question to me is impossible because the Bible does not give us access to all information. Just what we can handle, and what we needed to know.

 

[op2]

That's the point Op2, the Author (John) didn't know the exact time or the exact moment the end would come. He had a revelation from Almighty God of the circumstances and conditions that would precede the end, but not even John knew the exact moment. (no one does)

So your question to me is impossible because the Bible does not give us access to all information. Just what we can handle, and what we needed to know.

And how do you know that John had a revealation from Almight God?

And to turn this around, suppose a Muslim said to you that that Qu'ran was dictated to the Prophet Muhammad by Almight God. Prove him wrong.

 

[bamaEER]

It (Revelation) also says RPJ that no one knows when that day is coming. It could be tomorrow, or it may be millions of years after you and I are long gone. As I said, measured against infinity, our time here on this Earth is just a blink of an eye. (Which Revelation also says is how the end will come)

In the blink of an eye.

So we still have lots more time to learn RPJ, but it's not unlimited.

We are already seeing bad things happening now. And given certain indicators, like atmospheric CO2 (below), this will have a cascading effect over time. So if there is a 'doomsday', it will be preceded by a lengthy slippery slope (hundreds/thousands of years). And through it all, the dollar is more important than the planet.

 

[atlkvb]

I agree we'll never know everything and I don't know anyone that says otherwise, but saying we should be humble about what we know and then turning around and saying there is a Creator is contradictory If you claim there's a Creator then you're not being humble about what we know.

Now who's having trouble with reading comprehension Op2? I'm saying the exact opposite! Our humility tempers our arrogance to believe we have all the answers, as we often promote Science as having.

True discovery remains open to ALL possibilities, and ALL scenarios. I've never once suggested to you that our Scientific discovery should embolden our arrogance. I'm arguing that our Scientific research should keep us humble enough to admit that the more we know, the more we don't know.

I insist on our adherence to a Creator, because only in understanding our origin can we ever hope to understand our purpose. It is the height of human arrogance to assume otherwise, and folly to believe we are here by accident. Our humility is grounded in our respect for and reverence of our Creation.

 

[op2]

Now who's having trouble with reading comprehension Op2? I'm saying the exact opposite! Our humility tempers our arrogance to believe we have all the answers, as we often promote Science as having.

True discovery remains open to ALL possibilities, and ALL scenarios. I've never once suggested to you that our Scientific discovery should embolden our arrogance. I'm arguing that our Scientific research should keep us humble enough to admit that the more we know, the more we don't know.

I insist on our adherence to a Creator, because only in understanding our origin can we ever hope to understand our purpose. It is the height of human arrogance to assume otherwise, and folly to believe we are here by accident. Our humility is grounded in our respect for and reverence of our Creation.

"I insist on our adherence to a Creator, because only in understanding our origin can we ever hope to understand our purpose. It is the height of human arrogance to assume otherwise, and folly to believe we are here by accident. Our humility is grounded in our respect for and reverence of our Creation."

Sorry but you can't just say something and then other people to believe it's true because you said it. It's the height human arrogance to assume you know the answers to such grandiose questions when you don't. Try some humility for a change. Believe if you like but just don't insist to others that your beliefs are true even though you can't prove them.

 

[atlkvb]

We are already seeing bad things happening now. And given certain indicators, like atmospheric CO2 (below), this will have a cascading effect over time. So if there is a 'doomsday', it will be preceded by a lengthy slippery slope (hundreds/thousands of years). And through it all, the dollar is more important than the planet.

bamaEER, you are a unique fixture in Creation. You Sir are priceless. Your value to the creation can't be measured in dollars. Nothing else can be either. So much goes on beyond our control or the things you're worried about causing our "doomsday" that if we ever really did have complete control over it we wouldn't last another second.

So relax, the creative force that has placed all of that (including you) into the Cosmos already has it under control...you just need to worry about you bamaEER and your purpose in it.

 

[atlkvb]

Sorry but you can't just say something and then other people to believe it's true

Of course not Op2. You are certainly free to disagree with that statement, however just as you can insist it to be not relevant for you, that does not invalidate it for the rest of creation.

 

[op2]

bamaEER, you are a unique fixture in Creation. You Sir are priceless. Your value to the creation can't be measured in dollars. Nothing else can be either. So much goes on beyond our control or the things you're worried about causing our "doomsday" that if we ever really did have complete control over it we wouldn't last another second.

So relax, the creative force that has placed all of that (including you) into the Cosmos already has it under control...you just need to worry about you bamaEER and your purpose in it.

And how do you know this? You're starting to sound like Deepak Chopra.

 

[atlkvb]

It's the height human arrogance to assume you know the answers to such grandiose questions when you don't.

I never said I did Op2. I said the more we learn, we more we don't know. But we can all understand that at some point, somehow, we were placed here someway. Do I "know" how that happened?

No. No one does.

Do I believe how it was described to us in the Bible?

Yes.

Is that all there is to it?

No.

Is it all we can understand?

Yes and No. It's not all we can understand of course not, but it is all we'll ever need to know or all we'll ever be able to fully comprehend.

 

[atlkvb]

And how do you know this? You're starting to sound like Deepak Chopra.

I know this because he has no created equal. He is unique. That's self evident.

 

[atlkvb]

We are already seeing bad things happening now. And given certain indicators, like atmospheric CO2 (below), this will have a cascading effect over time. So if there is a 'doomsday', it will be preceded by a lengthy slippery slope (hundreds/thousands of years). And through it all, the dollar is more important than the planet.

BamaEER that's a very pretty chart you posted. Very informative. Can you please answer a question for me?

How do you suppose Black kids in inner cities who the Left claims don't get enough money in their failing Government schools end up performing miraculously academically when school choice vouchers are introduced to educate them in Parochial schools and/or Charter schools?

These are the same dollars used in those same neighborhoods (in many cases operating with less money and tighter budgets than the Government schools) and the same kids coming from the same Families that the Left says are economically disadvantaged...which is the reason the Left uses to excuse the Government school's failure....end up learning and excelling academically.

So why do you think this happens? Can you explain it as magnificently as you have posted that pretty chart to explain 'man made' global warming and our imminent doom from it?

 

[Airport]

I'll let NASA explain it to you.

The Earth's climate has changed throughout history. Just in the last 650,000 years there have been seven cycles of glacial advance and retreat, with the abrupt end of the last ice age about 7,000 years ago marking the beginning of the modern climate era — and of human civilization. Most of these climate changes are attributed to very small variations in Earth’s orbit that change the amount of solar energy our planet receives.
The current warming trend is of particular significance because most of it is very likely human-induced and proceeding at a rate that is unprecedented in the past 1,300 years.

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

Since 20,000 years ago Chicago was covered in a mile of ice, I would say the warming trend at that time was more significant than the so called "warming trend" now. NASA has had it's budget cut every year the last 8-10 years, so they need a reason to stay alive. There are plenty of scientist who disagree with NASA. The earth is at least 4 billion years old. We have 150 years of accurate temps in the US and far less in the rest of the world. 150 years is to 4 billion what one or two grains of sand is to the the entire Myrtle beach region. Not enough evidence to tell if the beach is eroding or forming. Very likely is not proof.

 

[bamaEER]

BamaEER that's a very pretty chart you posted. Very informative. Can you please answer a question for me?

How do you suppose Black kids in inner cities who the Left claims don't get enough money in their failing Government schools end up performing miraculously academically when school choice vouchers are introduced to educate them in Parochial schools and/or Charter schools?

These are the same dollars used in those same neighborhoods (in many cases operating with less money and tighter budgets than the Government schools) and the same kids coming from the same Families that the Left says are economically disadvantaged...which is the reason the Left uses to excuse the Government school's failure....end up learning and excelling academically.

So why do you think this happens? Can you explain it as magnificently as you have posted that pretty chart to explain 'man made' global warming and our imminent doom from it?

The jury is still out on your charter school notion. Results are mostly mixed.

 

[atlkvb]

And how do you know that John had a revealation from Almight God?

And to turn this around, suppose a Muslim said to you that that Qu'ran was dictated to the Prophet Muhammad by Almight God. Prove him wrong.

I can tell you Op2 that Revelation can be tested against actual history. Know what?

It's 100% accurate. John has been spot on in every prediction made. The prophecies in the Old Testament were also all 100% accurate and fulfilled with 100% precision through Christ.

I've examined the claims in the Qu'ran, and it's reliability does not hold up to the Bible's historical accuracy. For instance, Israel is not supposed to exist in the Qu'ran. However in Revelation, it was predicted to come out of nowhere toward the end or latter days.

Look a what we have in Israel today, and where it came from after thousands of years. I could go on but to answer your question, yes you are correct...all claims should be tested however not all claims can be true since Truth is not relative.

If you take the time to examine it's claims, I think you will find the Bible's claims to be 100% correct 100% of the time.

 

[atlkvb]

The jury is still out on your charter school notion. Results are mostly mixed.

True, so explain the positive results at least while the jury deliberates on the ongoing experiments. All the inner city Government schools have failed.

Why?