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Their skill players are not better than ours. If so, not by much.
It's a differencee in playing scared or playing to win. That's it.
We should have been up 21-7 at the half.
We can keep scheduling cupcakes from now on...it's worked so well to this point*****.
Or, we can take the challenge and try to be a real player. Recruits will respect your willingness to play the best. And if we coach better, we';; beat these teams. It's not talent. Look at the recruiting rankings...look at the game. You could see it on the field yesterday. It was obvious.
It's a differencee in playing scared or playing to win. That's it.
We should have been up 21-7 at the half.
We can keep scheduling cupcakes from now on...it's worked so well to this point*****.
Or, we can take the challenge and try to be a real player. Recruits will respect your willingness to play the best. And if we coach better, we';; beat these teams. It's not talent. Look at the recruiting rankings...look at the game. You could see it on the field yesterday. It was obvious.
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We have two schools of thought. One says we get better by playing quality out of conference teams, and the other says we get better by playing multiple Little Sisters of the Poor. I guess neither opinion can be proved.
Being a realist about our standing in the SEC does not mean accepting mediocrity and buying sure wins. If we want to move up in the world we need to expect to compete with good teams. We're not talking about playing Alabama 12 games a year. I don't accept the idea that we have to be a bottom feeder in the sec year in and year out. If we're going to take that attitude we should change conferences. And there are conferences that we could dominate right now. Not because we play sec, but because we are better.
And I don't accept the idea that we have a crappy fan base. No, we don't have as large a population (or resources) to draw from as some of the elite programs. But, look at the number of fans (including complainers) who support this team year in and year out despite more than a few lean years. Compare that to other programs that start losing, and drop significantly in fan attendance. MSU has more than its share of loyal fans.
We're not going to dominate the conference every year, but we can and should be competitive in conference, and this program is capable of playing for the conference championship. We've played for a championship before.
You could say that I don't accept reality, but that would be a cheap shot (or it could be true).
Anyway, I'd rather play an Oklahoma State once and a while, than to habitually play powder puff u. I want a win where the team can feel like they've accomplished something.
Our team is not the train wreck our basketball recently was.
We played a good team.
We got beat.
Now let's get better.
Being a realist about our standing in the SEC does not mean accepting mediocrity and buying sure wins. If we want to move up in the world we need to expect to compete with good teams. We're not talking about playing Alabama 12 games a year. I don't accept the idea that we have to be a bottom feeder in the sec year in and year out. If we're going to take that attitude we should change conferences. And there are conferences that we could dominate right now. Not because we play sec, but because we are better.
And I don't accept the idea that we have a crappy fan base. No, we don't have as large a population (or resources) to draw from as some of the elite programs. But, look at the number of fans (including complainers) who support this team year in and year out despite more than a few lean years. Compare that to other programs that start losing, and drop significantly in fan attendance. MSU has more than its share of loyal fans.
We're not going to dominate the conference every year, but we can and should be competitive in conference, and this program is capable of playing for the conference championship. We've played for a championship before.
You could say that I don't accept reality, but that would be a cheap shot (or it could be true).
Anyway, I'd rather play an Oklahoma State once and a while, than to habitually play powder puff u. I want a win where the team can feel like they've accomplished something.
Our team is not the train wreck our basketball recently was.
We played a good team.
We got beat.
Now let's get better.
We did not play "not to lose."
I wish we had played not to lose. Our coaches knew we were going to lose in the first half and started calling plays to not get blown out. First time I've ever seen that in the first half when a team had the lead. Mind blowing.
Stricklin is one of the kindest men I know. Anyone who has met him knows that. Anything said otherwise is contrary to the truth.
Yeah but what's gonna happen when said recruit sees that said team doesn't seem to give a damn when the game gets going? I doubt very seriously a recruit is gonna sit around and say "Look at ol' MSU manning up and playing Oklahoma State. I've got to get on board with them!" That **** ain't gonna happen. You wanna get a real player the big money guys are gonna have to start playing real games. That's it.
Playing in the Western Division is tough enough as it it. Scheduling "tougher" opponents when we can't even compete with Bama, LSU, TAMU or many times Auburn is just stupid, IMO.
I can see scheduling teams like OSU in the future, but we better start getting serious about recruiting and the players/coaches need to get their thumbs out of their asses on game day and act like they give a **** about winning.
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So your theory is that our players don't give a damn about playing a top 15
school, but does give a damn about playing Alcorn?
Or that it just doesn't matter if they don't give a damn about Alcorn as long as we win, that will impress recruits?
The answer is to find a coach that can make our players give a **** agaisnt the good teams and call plays that are creative to give them a chance. If that happens we win last night and we're not having this bull **** converstion about why we should all be scared to play anybody who might beat us.
school, but does give a damn about playing Alcorn?
Or that it just doesn't matter if they don't give a damn about Alcorn as long as we win, that will impress recruits?
The answer is to find a coach that can make our players give a **** agaisnt the good teams and call plays that are creative to give them a chance. If that happens we win last night and we're not having this bull **** converstion about why we should all be scared to play anybody who might beat us.
I've meet him several times and he's never been anything but cordial and very talkative. I haven't seen one reason to not like the guy.
That's what I'm saying; we play top 15ish teams every year just by being in the West. The West is tough enough as is it for the little guys in the conference. Playing teams like OSU damn sure ain't helping us, especially when we can't even compete in our own division. Recruits aren't gonna give a damn now who we play. We've got much bigger problems to worry about now than trying to schedule tougher opponents because we are "willing to play the best", or whatever.
mullen hasnt lost to a **** team yet. we have had some close calls, but the worst thing we have ever doen is lost to a top 25 houston team in year 1....a game that mullen blew because of inexperience and to an auburn team on the road where we were slight favorites. so, yeah, i would say scheduling smart is working out very well under semi-competent management.
and how can you justify us being up 21-7? we had one decent drive that stalled in the red zone and that is it. "should have been up"? are you an insane person? we couldnt get out of our own way and that offense was totally inept. a very mediocre osu defense slammed the door in our face with little effort. wow...somehow, we should have scored 3 td's in the first half? ive heard it all....we had 333 total yards...we are the 112th ranked offense and there are only 120 schools... just damn....
did you even watch the game?
as far as recruiting rankings:
2010 class: osu: 18 msu: 38 (seniors)
2011 class: osu: 18 msu: 45 (juniors)
2012 class: osu: 24 msu: 18 (sophmores)
2013 class: osu: 25 msu: 22 (freshmen)
avg class: osu: 21.25 msu: 30.75
the disparity is OBVIOUS....and most of our guys that are difference makers are on the defensive side of the ball (when they are allowed to travel and play with the team)...while theirs are on the offensive side of the ball.
"ten recruiting positions difference doesnt mean **** and is insignificant in overall performance".....said no one, ever.
and before you bring the 09 redshirts into discussion, 4* bumphis is gone, 4* mcphee is gone, 4* maruice langston is gone, 4* montrell conner is gone, 4* chris white is gone, 4* josh boyd is gone, 4* fletcher cox is gone, 3* johnthan banks is gone, 3* cameron lawrence is gone.
the only players of significant note from that class that redshirted are as follows:
4* tyler russell
3* ladarious perkins
3* gabe jackson
3* nickoe whitley
and fyi, recruits dont respect anything but winning, *****, money, and what THEY get out of it.
we didnt play a good team, we played a great team...they most likely will win at least 10 games this year and are preseason favorites in the big 12.
as far as this alcorn drum you continue to bang, every single team in the sec plays an alcorn type team. just stop referencing alcorn, or if you are going to reference alcorn, please reference florida playing georgia st, georgia playing n. texas and app state, uk playing w. kentucky and alabama st, mizzou playing murray st and ark st, usce playing e. carolina, ut playing austin pea and s. alabama, vandy playing umass, austin pea, and uab, bama playing chattanooga and ga st, arkansas playing ul lafayett and samford, auburn playing w. carolina, ark st, and fau, lsu playing kent st, uab, and furman, om playing s.e. mst, idaho, and troy, and aTm playing sam houston st and new mexico.
also, why cant there be a 3rd option between playing top 15 teams or playing little sisters of the poor?
there are aq conference opponents that are tailor-made for us to play and that are on our level. try really hard and think about teams i am talking about. im sure if you apply yourself, you could string together a few teams that i could be referencing.
and if we accept our fate as one of the lesser schools, and one that has been firmly forged in the 100+ years we have been playing football, we should just up and leave the conference because we arent willing to risk a probable loss to an elite team? yeah, that makes sense.
how bout this, we neither schedule sisters of the poor for 4 games NOR do we schedule any games where we don't have at least a 50% chance of winning. since you have so much confidence in the program, surely you believe there is some type of happy medium in there....or let me guess, the only answer is proving ourselves in the baptism by fire that has been our ooc recruiting strategy far more often than not.
why do you refuse to acknowledge that teams like duke, wake forest, and a myrida of other teams exist?
it's year 5. If we can't muster more than 3 against a porous big12 defense, then it's not the AD's or the fans' fault...no matter how bad you want it to be. Mullen doesn't beat teams that finish above .500. He needs to start doing it, or move over for someone who can.