SCOTUS Rules You Can Refuse Service to Same-Sex Couples

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So shouldn’t these so called christian folk loke this website designer just accept and serve people regardless instead of judging them and saying no I won’t do a same-sex wedding? Shouldn’t they love and embrace these clients and let god deal with their behavior. I mean a same-sex wedding isn’t hurting anyone and that person’s money is green I presume.


She would serve gay people. That was plainly stated in the case.

But she didn’t want to produce expressive content celebrating gay marriage, and the Court ruled Colorado couldn’t force her to.

And as we saw with the cakes, it’s not about just not doing business with people you don’t like, you need to try and ruin them. Continuously. She couldn’t risk that.
 
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That is a really ugly pompous comment for someone who lied about name-calling.
I haven’t lied about name calling. I admitted that I called you names in the past. I do not deny it. I admit I called you names in this very thread. I do not deny it. You however refuse to admit you resorted to name calling first in this thread. You can call my comment whatever you want. It is completely true. You have your head so far in the air because of some sense of superiority that you require a damn parachute to get to the ground. If you were have as perfect as you thought you were, they would’ve nailed your *** to a cross. That’s the shoe you choose to wear so if it fits, lace that ***** up and wear it.
 

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I agree with this 100%.

I also feel that the business that refuses service must be prepared for backlash, depending on circumstance. If a christian baker refuses to make a wedding cake for a gay couple, and social media pressure or boycotts drive the bakery out of business, so be it. Other businesses will gladly step in and take the market share.

A good premise but too shallow. Social media is not people driven in many cases, it is agenda driven. BOT driven, proved time and time again. Two people can turn into thousands of protesters using "social media".
 

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I haven’t lied about name calling. I admitted that I called you names in the past. I do not deny it. I admit I called you names in this very thread. I do not deny it. You however refuse to admit you resorted to name calling first in this thread. You can call my comment whatever you want. It is completely true. You have your head so far in the air because of some sense of superiority that you require a damn parachute to get to the ground. If you were have as perfect as you thought you were, they would’ve nailed your *** to a cross. That’s the shoe you choose to wear so if it fits, lace that ***** up and wear it.
Prove I called you a stalker in this thread before you used the term.

If I did, I will admit it and you can have some redemption from the Brittany Griner mistakes you made and repeatedly denied until you had to admit your mistakes. You snarked and puffed in that thread too until you had no choice.
 

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Any business should have the right to refuse service to whomever they want. Just like customers have the right not to patronize their business. That’s how it is supposed to work but “feelings” too often get in the way.
Seems simple, doesn't it? Businesses should be free to provide services to whomever they wish and refuse service to whoever they wish. The free market will take care of the rest. If they refuse enough people, they'll go out of business. Meanwhile, customers can patronize whatever business they prefer and stay away from whatever business they don't want to give their money. They can even call for a boycott. The free market takes care of the rest. Everyone is free in this scenario. For my part, if taking part in any business venture conflicts with anyone's closely held religious beliefs, I think they should be able to refuse service without repercussions.
 
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Seems simple, doesn't it? Businesses should be free to provide services to whomever they wish and refuse service to whoever they wish. The free market will take care of the rest. If they refuse enough people, they'll go out of business. Meanwhile, customers can patronize whatever business they prefer and stay away from whatever business they don't want to give their money. They can even call for a boycott. The free market takes care of the rest. Everyone is free in this scenario. For my part, if taking part in any business venture conflicts with anyone's closely held religious beliefs, I think they should be able to refuse service without repercussions.
Yeah, pretty sure the Civil Rights Act took care of that one. I agree though... in this day and age they frankly ought to remove it. I think it's a waste of time for the government - especially one that will continually be one-sided - to be in the business of trying to figure out who's being racist.
 
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Prove I called you a stalker in this thread before you used the term.

If I did, I will admit it and you can have some redemption from the Brittany Griner mistakes you made and repeatedly denied until you had to admit your mistakes. You snarked and puffed in that thread too until you had no choice.
All you have to do is go back and look. The first reference to stalker in this thread by either of us was you posting “^ stalker post” which I replied to with the same thing. You won’t ever admit anything. Your huge all encompassing ego won’t allow it. I’ve seen it in your exchanges with others in multiple threads. In your world (or mind), you are never wrong. So I will repeat for the third time. If you were half as perfect as you thought you were, they would’ve nailed your *** to a cross. That sums it up simple perfectly.
 

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Yeah, pretty sure the Civil Rights Act took care of that one. I agree though... in this day and age they frankly ought to remove it. I think it's a waste of time for the government - especially one that will continually be one-sided - to be in the business of trying to figure out who's being racist.
I doubt people are ready to get rid of Title VII of the Civil Rights Act. But, I get the point. In today’s age, it is hard to believe the racist establishment would survive with citizens refusing to patronize. On the other hand, it would probably be better to know what businesses you don’t want to give your money to. That is why no one believes that the trans person innocently picked the baker in Colorado. He was targeted because his beliefs are considered abhorrent by a segment of our society, when that person could have gone to any baker with whom they have agreement.

There are other negatives to Title VII. I am sure there is still some very important litigation, but a lot of cases are just people upset and then seeing how they fit into a protected class. We have created a rather litigious society and people get mad about something, so they sue. The Polynesian gay man over 40 claims his discrimination as national origin, race, sex, and age, because he fits into all of those categories. You think, yeah, your employer discriminates on all of those things. Right. Pick one, it’s more convincing.
 

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The real concern is that we have so many people in positions of power and socieyt who are firmly convinced it's justified to compel speech that sustains/advances their ideology.
 

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The real concern is that we have so many people in positions of power and socieyt who are firmly convinced it's justified to compel speech that sustains/advances their ideology.


It’s a bigger concern that so many people in positions of power (as well as many, many ignorant internet posters) have no idea this was a free speech case and think it had something to do with denying gay people services.
 

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The real concern is that we have so many people in positions of power and socieyt who are firmly convinced it's justified to compel speech that sustains/advances their ideology.
Colorado created a government enforced put-you-out-of-business statute that says “your speech shall agree!” The Court concluded the statute was unconstitutional, but also stressed in its opinion that the woman’s refusal to speak was not because of someone’s sexuality, but because of her sincerely held religious belief. Would the SCOTUS take a case where she says that personal belief extends to all gay people, regardless of the content of the speech? I don’t think the Court takes that case, but does this opinion extend to that case?

@Dionysus444 may be right that we will find out with the cake case; although, some would say those facts are very similar to the current facts. Like the web designer, the baker says he will bake cakes for anyone. He won’t, however, bake a special cake that serves to say something that violates his conscience. We shall see.
 
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My mistake. You called me ignorant in this post first and I responded with stalker. Fact is still the same that you resorted to name calling in this thread first. I’ve always said you resorted to name calling first in this thread which you did.

Stating an opinion is ignorant is not the same thing as insulting the opinion giver as ignorant. You simply want to muddy the thread up enough so that it gets closed or punted: that's your goal. You wnat there to be insults.
 
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It’s a bigger concern that so many people in positions of power (as well as many, many ignorant internet posters) have no idea this was a free speech case and think it had something to do with denying gay people services.
NPCs
 

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My mistake. You called me ignorant in this post first and I responded with stalker. Fact is still the same that you resorted to name calling in this thread first. I’ve always said you resorted to name calling first in this thread which you did.
“Ignorant post” - which is an opinion I still hold.
 
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“Ignorant post” - which is an opinion I still hold.
We all know what you meant with that passive aggressive veiled attempt at name calling. Stalker post is an opinion I still hold. So if ignorant post doesn’t count as namecalling neither does stalker post. You still name called in this thread first with snowflake then so my point still remains. Tap dance around all you want. My point still remains.
 
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Stating an opinion is ignorant is not the same thing as insulting the opinion giver as ignorant. You simply want to muddy the thread up enough so that it gets closed or punted: that's your goal. You wnat there to be insults.
Not trying to muddy up anything. He can stop replying to me as easily as I can to him. Why not tell him to stop muddying up the thread with his insults? If I wanted there to be insults I would have been the one to initiate namecalling. He was the one to initiate it. Maybe you should lecture him or are you too busy patting him on the back for doing the same thing you accuse me of doing.
 

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We all know what you meant with that passive aggressive veiled attempt at name calling. Stalker post is an opinion I still hold. So if ignorant post doesn’t count as namecalling neither does stalker post. You still name called in this thread first with snowflake then so my point still remains. Tap dance around all you want. My point still remains.

That logic doesn't work. And no, that's not an insult.

I didn't see where he insulted you, but I haven't read every post.
 
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That logic doesn't work. And no, that's not an insult.

I didn't see where he insulted you, but I haven't read every post.
We can agree to disagree and had it been left at that we wouldn’t be here now. However, even after that passive aggressive attempt, he did refer to me as a snowflake. That is namecalling no matter how you slice it.
 

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Just wait until someone refuses to bake a cake for a jewish couple because they are Christian and uses this as an excuse. Even worse, when someone uses this to refuse to bake a cake for an interracial couple.

That's different. Homosexuality & lesbianism is not the equivalent of race. It's only among a sick, twisted society like ours currently has it been made so. We can treat a people with respect but somethings are just morally wrong & it's quiet ok to reject certain behaviors.

We need to get back to objective morality & say goodbye to moral relativism & there would be better agreement.
 
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That's different. Homosexuality & lesbianism is not the equivalent of race. It's only among a sick, twisted society like ours currently has it been made so. We can treat a people with respect but somethings are just morally wrong & it's quiet ok to reject certain behaviors.

We need to get back to objective morality & say goodbye to moral relativism & there would be better agreement.
Kind of like judging people like you just did. You can read and follow your Jewish book of fairytales all you want. Since you give me permission to reject certain behaviors, I reject your bigotry and hatred.
 

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She would serve gay people. That was plainly stated in the case.

But she didn’t want to produce expressive content celebrating gay marriage, and the Court ruled Colorado couldn’t force her to.

And as we saw with the cakes, it’s not about just not doing business with people you don’t like, you need to try and ruin them. Continuously. She couldn’t risk that.
Seems simple, doesn't it? Businesses should be free to provide services to whomever they wish and refuse service to whoever they wish. The free market will take care of the rest. If they refuse enough people, they'll go out of business. Meanwhile, customers can patronize whatever business they prefer and stay away from whatever business they don't want to give their money. They can even call for a boycott. The free market takes care of the rest. Everyone is free in this scenario. For my part, if taking part in any business venture conflicts with anyone's closely held religious beliefs, I think they should be able to refuse service without repercussions.
That's different. Homosexuality & lesbianism is not the equivalent of race. It's only among a sick, twisted society like ours currently has it been made so. We can treat a people with respect but somethings are just morally wrong & it's quiet ok to reject certain behaviors.
That's different. Homosexuality & lesbianism is not the equivalent of race. It's only among a sick, twisted society like ours currently has it been made so. We can treat a people with respect but somethings are just morally wrong & it's quiet ok to reject certain behaviors.

We need to get back to objective morality & say goodbye to moral relativism & there would be better agreement.
Jesus f’in christ🤦‍♂️😱. Scary.
We need to get back to objective morality & say goodbye to moral relativism & there would be better agreement.
 

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That's different. Homosexuality & lesbianism is not the equivalent of race. It's only among a sick, twisted society like ours currently has it been made so. We can treat a people with respect but somethings are just morally wrong & it's quiet ok to reject certain behaviors.

We need to get back to objective morality & say goodbye to moral relativism & there would be better agreement.

 

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Those examples aren’t private businesses. If that bakery chooses not to cater to same sex couples that is their right. People that believe that same sex couples aren’t an issue or have a moral issue with it may choose not shop there.

Now, if enough people who disagree with the shops standards stop shopping there then the owners have a decision to make. If their business doesn’t fall off or more people shop there due their policies then so be it.

It’s not up to government to tell me, as a business owner, who i can and can’t do commerce with. It’s my choice and I will either suffer the damage or reap the rewards.
Most of the people whining bout the decision have never owned a business, yet want to lecture others on how to run a business.
Their rational is pretty dumb and often times reflect the opinions of state run propaganda
 
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It’s not bigotry and hate if you call it atheism or LGTBQ+.
I haven’t seen much if any bigotry from the LGBT community. I’ve only seen them want to be accepted for who they are. I’ve only seen them want to be able to walk down the street holding hands or kissing their partner just like heterosexual couples do on a daily basis. When a gay couple does it, people like you say they are trying to throw it in your face without that same complaint against a heterosexual couple. I’ve only seen LGBT people finally be able to be proud of who they are and not have to hide it from society. I’ve only seen LGBT community want to be able to go out and live their life without having to worry about being beaten, tied to a fence, and left for dead like Matthew Shepherd. If those things the LGBT community is doing is bigotry and hate to you, then you have warped sense of what those words mean.

It’s funny you mention atheism as bigotry and hate, when Christians are the only ones that seem to show those things. People who hold Christian beliefs, think everyone is wrong but then. They want freedom of religion if it is their religion. You never see a Buddhist preaching in public calling everyone who doesn’t believe the same thing they do a sinner. That solely happens with Christians preaching and singing in usually enclosed spaces like airplanes where people don’t even have the option to leave. They hold on to the belief that their sky daddy is better than any other religion. That sense of superiority and close mindedness is the actual bigotry and hate. You and your religion have bigotry and hate on lockdown.
 

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Atheists think everyone is wrong except them. LGTQB+ think everyone is wrong except them. They have bigotry and hate on lockdown.
 

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That's different. Homosexuality & lesbianism is not the equivalent of race. It's only among a sick, twisted society like ours currently has it been made so. We can treat a people with respect but somethings are just morally wrong & it's quiet ok to reject certain behaviors.

We need to get back to objective morality & say goodbye to moral relativism & there would be better agreement.
You realize homosexuality has been around for 1000s of years in most EVERY society right?

The baddest dudes on the planet at the time Romans/Greeks/Macedonians/etc weren’t just gay they were pedophiles in todays terms.

Societies in Africa made young boys orally satisfy older warriors because the sperm was thought to make them men and tough warriors.

Homosexuality has been rampant in royal families for millennia and the regular parts of society.

If you think this is new you’re not very well-read or a study of the past.
 
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Atheists think everyone is wrong except them. LGTQB+ think everyone is wrong except them. They have bigotry and hate on lockdown.
Simply false. Show me an atheist who has attacked a Christian simply for being Christian. Show me a member of the LGBT community attack a straight person simply for being straight. I can show you plenty of Christians doing it. I can show you plenty of straight people doing it. Hell, it has happened in this very thread.
 

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I haven’t seen much if any bigotry from the LGBT community. I’ve only seen them want to be accepted for who they are. I’ve only seen them want to be able to walk down the street holding hands or kissing their partner just like heterosexual couples do on a daily basis. When a gay couple does it, people like you say they are trying to throw it in your face without that same complaint against a heterosexual couple. I’ve only seen LGBT people finally be able to be proud of who they are and not have to hide it from society. I’ve only seen LGBT community want to be able to go out and live their life without having to worry about being beaten, tied to a fence, and left for dead like Matthew Shepherd. If those things the LGBT community is doing is bigotry and hate to you, then you have warped sense of what those words mean.

It’s funny you mention atheism as bigotry and hate, when Christians are the only ones that seem to show those things. People who hold Christian beliefs, think everyone is wrong but then. They want freedom of religion if it is their religion. You never see a Buddhist preaching in public calling everyone who doesn’t believe the same thing they do a sinner. That solely happens with Christians preaching and singing in usually enclosed spaces like airplanes where people don’t even have the option to leave. They hold on to the belief that their sky daddy is better than any other religion. That sense of superiority and close mindedness is the actual bigotry and hate. You and your religion have bigotry and hate on lockdown.
Well said.
Simply false. Show me an atheist who has attacked a Christian simply for being Christian. Show me a member of the LGBT community attack a straight person simply for being straight. I can show you plenty of Christians doing it. I can show you plenty of straight people doing it. Hell, it has happened in this very thread.
Ha, yes atheists a running around torching churches and gang beating christians. Terrible plight for these christians i say. They desperately need legal protection.
 

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Atheists think everyone is wrong except them. LGTQB+ think everyone is wrong except them. They have bigotry and hate on lockdown.
Are you in the 8th grade still?
OBTW, we’re having a big witch burning at the downtown stake today at 3:00pm if you are interested. But byo bible.
 

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Simply false.

Wrong

Show me an atheist who has attacked a Christian simply for being Christian. Show me a member of the LGBT community attack a straight person simply for being straight. I can show you plenty of Christians doing it. I can show you plenty of straight people doing it. Hell, it has happened in this very thread.

The baker in Colorado is being attacked just because of his Christian beliefs.

That was easy.
 

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Ha, yes atheists a running around torching churches and gang beating christians. Terrible plight for these christians i say. They desperately need legal protection.
Yeah, that is what Christians are doing to atheists. Wow, you cannot hold a linear thought. 🤦‍♂️
 

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Are you in the 8th grade still?
OBTW, we’re having a big witch burning at the downtown stake today at 3:00pm if you are interested. But byo bible.
Nice post atheist. Common sense atheists everywhere are wishing you would shut up.
 
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Wrong



The baker in Colorado is being attacked just because of his Christian beliefs.

That was easy.
No he’s not. He is being attacked for refusing to provide a service to a gay couple. His excuse is his Christian beliefs. Those beliefs aren’t being attacked. His business practices are. Those practices would still be attacked if he refused to serve the gay couple using a different excuse. There is a huge difference.
 

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No he’s not. He is being attacked for refusing to provide a service to a gay couple. His excuse is his Christian beliefs. Those beliefs aren’t being attacked. His business practices are. Those practices would still be attacked if he refused to serve the gay couple using a different excuse. There is a huge difference.
I cannot stop your from lying to yourself and rejecting reality. Have a great day.