SEC leaving the NCAA
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Yeah, i have a hard time believing that even the SEC would believe that people north of the Ohio river and west of the Mississippi would be "that" interested in an SEC-only product. Not even if it were marketed by a network as aggressively as the WNBa.
Of course, college sports hasn't been about the education of our children for many decades. And it's only gotten worse ... and most college football fans have welcomed every turn toward professionalism that has occurred, to date ... until the athletes finally fought back and tried to claim their piece of the pie. Now they claim college sports are ruined.
Regardless, as someone who is enough of an extremist that I wish colleges would be forced to make acceptance/rejection decisions blind to athletics, only allowing coaches to recruit athletes AFTER they've applied to and been accepted at that particular university ... I know nothing like that will ever happen, nor will they willingly develop a minor league system (unless it's in ADDITION to what the college level currently provides).
Re "minor leagues": Even sports that have a robust minor league system are trying to eliminate/reduce their reliance on the minor leagues, and put more of that onus on colleges to act as pseudo-minor leagues. See MLB, which not only reduced the number of minor league squads fairly recently, but is also now trying to put age limits on who can be drafted, pushing more kids into the college ranks, so they can be developed there, and not on the baseball club's dime.
I think that is already happening. They are majoring in sports. When was the last ineligible player for grades?
But how much of that cash leaves the athletic department/football program and makes its way over to the academic side? Seems like the football money goes to paying for football-related upgrades. Is the academic side really benefitting from it that much? I'm sure you have more insight on that than I do.
I think if "paid" football is split off from schools, that the schools could come up with a way that they and the players mutually agree that the school won't pimp out the players' NIL, and the players won't try to cash in on their NIL while they're there attending school.
You would be shocked at the value high-visibility, successful sports teams have on things like admissions.
It is extremely financially helpful to universities to have thriving, high-performing athletic departments.
Second time in history that the southeast struggled once it became required to pay for labor LOL
But isn't the other side of that coin that there are high-end students that aren't applying to Bama because of "Roll Tide"? That these students don't want to be seen as having gone to a "football school"?
Like THE OSU when Cardale Jones came out and said he didn't go there to play school. And Andy Katzenmoyer when he was epitomizing the "dumb jock". You think that didn't harm OSU's academic reputation, and that there weren't good students that thought about that when applying to schools?
The "brand" only matters if prospective students care about that brand. I think there are a lot of kids who want the best school, not the hottest football team, and the US News ranking matters more than the CFP ranking.
I think the people who dont attend due to not wanting to go to a football or party school is vastly outweighed by the people who go specifically due to that. ASU was a hot school of my generation because sports illustrated put out a article. Yale will be fine.But isn't the other side of that coin that there are high-end students that aren't applying to Bama because of "Roll Tide"? That these students don't want to be seen as having gone to a "football school"?
Like THE OSU when Cardale Jones came out and said he didn't go there to play school. And Andy Katzenmoyer when he was epitomizing the "dumb jock". You think that didn't harm OSU's academic reputation, and that there weren't good students that thought about that when applying to schools?
The "brand" only matters if prospective students care about that brand. I think there are a lot of kids who want the best school, not the hottest football team, and the US News ranking matters more than the CFP ranking.
Admittedly I dont know what I want here. I hate the NCAA. I also think we have far too many institutions selling watered down degrees.
I can see that it would help a school like Bama, that's US News ranking is 169th. They get kids applying because of the name more than the academic reputation. Not sure how much it helps the higher-ranked academic schools though.
Like Stanford isn't Stanford because Andrew Luck or Christian McCaffrey went there. Cal-Berkeley isn't ranked highly because of Aaron Rodgers or Jared Goff. But I could see that Bama is Bama because of Bear Bryant and Saban and the success they had.
Maybe I'm off though. I'm for people being able to make what they're worth if they want to. But I hate that we can't really root for players on our favorite team any more, because there's a decent chance they're transferring multiple times while they're in college. Used to you could get excited by a big recruit, then watch them develop for the next 3-5 years and have that connection with them. Now if your school signs someone good, they're gone after a year if they're not a starter or doesn't think they're getting enough touches, or just if they can make a bigger check somewhere else.
I think people found out that the average ASU female student was 10x hotter than anyone they could ever see in their hometown. No one knew that when the world was smaller. It was a simpler time...
So charge the team a licensing fee to use the school name and mascot and stop pretending the players are "students".
OK, I gotta agree on this one. Nelson is a Hall of Famer. He was a great coach, too. Hope he is enjoying his retirement in Maui. I read an article the other day (perhaps it was on this Board) that reported Nelson was, along with fellow Maui homeowner Willie Nelson, a member of a poker group that had a weekly game. The report noted that they all smoked cigars except for Willie. He smoked something else.
Edit: I'm not gonna reveal my source, but I have it on good authority that Don Nelson is now in Dallas, and that he is facing some pretty serious health issues. Issues that put him in an ICU. Prayers up for this Hall of Famer.
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I Googled Steve Carfino. He played for Iowa and then matriculated to the Australian National Basketball League. To me this means he was good, but perhaps not great.
Googling Steve Carfino is nothing at all like experiencing Steve Carfino.
They're messing with you.
Connor McCaffery, now THAT was a great basketball player.
Who cares. The NFL passed NCAA years ago because of all this nonsense.
He made the shot and I believe Iowa won the game (one of like 4 conference wins or something lol)
It was like Bizzaro World
Ronnie Lester carried Iowa to their last Final Four on one leg. All-American PG who was absolutely incredible until the knee injury. Iowa wins the NC that year if he hadn’t reinjured against Louisville in the semifinal.
I partly don’t agree. Recruits took “majors” and academics into account right up until NIL. Even when it was just “cost of attendance”. Coaches have said that’s not the question from families anymore. The first thing they want to know about is the money. I warned against pay for play from the beginning of my time on sports message boards. It’s far worse than even what I thought it would be. I still say athletes were receiving many advantages that the rest of the students didn’t have access to. Again, most of these athletes aren’t going to be going pro.
One of the hottest girls I knew in high school growing up in Iowa went to ASU back in the 1980s. CSBI think people found out that the average ASU female student was 10x hotter than anyone they could ever see in their hometown. No one knew that when the world was smaller. It was a simpler time...
Wonder if she was one of the Tempe 12. If you've never heard of that group, Google is your friend.
I've heard this argument before. We already have a minor league for the NFL. It's called the UFL, and not many folks show up for the games or watch them on TV. Fact is, if you take the universities away, the game goes away. You absolutely need the universities and the passion of the fans to be successful. They're also not going to show up to college games when the best players are not playing. Furthermore, UFL players make less than $100k per game and only play 10 games a season. NIL pays the best players far more per year. There's a reason why college ball is huge. Take away the college, not so much. College ball draws in well over double what the NFL does fan wise.