Exactly what happened to the Liverpool player, except that was on a 50-50 challenge. Anytime the studs hit above foot level, you are at the mercy of the ref AND VAR on the card.
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I just watched it. That's almost exactly what happened to the Liverpool player, except his didn't look quite as bad as that one. That's a leg breaker type incident. It certainly wasn't intentional, but that doesn't matter. Again, I've seen those go both ways. It just depends on the ref and the VAR. In the English vernacular, that was unlucky.
Damn. Glad my DVR missed recording it. Looking at the play posted in this thread hard to argue the red card too much. Really sucks Peleka will miss 1st round game. She’s really been improving as the season goes on. Otherwise we were playing with house money, so the loss isn’t too bad. We should be about 7 seed matched up with a 10 seed in 1st round. I would have taken that all day long at beginning of season. And Ella Peterson should be the sub at right back. She’s a FR but has gotten some good experience this year.
If the one getting cleated initiated the contact by putting her foot down in front of the ball AFTER our girl already had her foot on it. I don't think that's even a foul, even if it's been called before in Liverpool (though you did say that one was 50-50).
One of the announcers read the actual rule for the SEC, and I don't see how on earth that counts even as a foul, much less a red card.
Here is what Ai says the SEC uses for rules:
Direct Free Kick Fouls
A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offenses against an opponent in a manner considered careless, reckless, or using excessive force:
- Kicking or attempting to kick. Nope
- Tripping or attempting to trip. Nope
- Jumping at an opponent. Nope
- Charging into an opponent. Nope
- Striking or attempting to strike. Nope (I'm pretty sure this means throwing punches/slapping. kicking with intent)
- Pushing an opponent. (Nope)
- Making contact with an opponent before touching the ball when tackling. Nope
- Deliberately handling the ball (except for the goalkeeper within their own penalty area). Nope
- Holding an opponent. Nope
Disciplinary Action (Cards)
Referees use yellow and red cards to manage player misconduct, based on the severity of the offense:
- Caution (Yellow Card): Issued for reckless fouls, dissent, persistent infringement, or unsporting behavior. Two yellow cards in one match result in a red card. Nope. Not even this.
- Ejection (Red Card): Issued for serious foul play (e.g., a tackle endangering an opponent's safety), violent conduct, spitting, using offensive language, or denying an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by deliberate handling or a foul. An ejected player cannot be substituted for. Nope. The LSU player didn't have possession and was trying to take possession.
Just because it happened to a Liverpool player doesn't mean it was a correct call.
It's happened to more than just Liverpool players. When you go in with force with the studs on a leg like that, no matter what the circumstances, you are open to a card of either color....or you might not even get a card. I watch a lot of soccer, that call is made more often than not, especially if VAR gets involved.
I've seen that exact circumstance result in broken bones. That's why the call is made, and being made more often. It's kind of like targeting in football. I don't necessarily agree with it when it's obvious the intent isn't there, but that's the game these days.
This covers it. (Red Card): Issued for serious foul play (e.g., a tackle endangering an opponent's safety),
I don't know about in the SEC or college, but every red or potential red is reviewed in the EPL. Now that doesn't mean VAR gets it right every time.
ESPN's soccer page has a VAR review every Monday.That wasn't a tackle. Our gal touched the ball before the LSU girl. Our girl was trying to dribble it away when the LSU gal put her foot down to stop the ball.
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It doesn't matter if it's a tackle. The thing we are trying to tell you is the only thing that matters is the studs on the shin. That automatically considered for a red card.
Yeah. It’s a good thing the LSU girl leg wasn’t broken. Not intentional. But you’ve got to give a red for that. Pelinka will learn from it.
How is she supposed to learn to not have her foot, on no fault of her own, roll over a ball when said ball was under her foot because the other girl stepped in front of it and moved the ball under Pelinka's foot?
I can't believe that a rule allows this. If so, the rules committee are a bunch of dumbasses.
Don’t be ridiculous. She’ll learn not to go in high and recklessly with studs showing.
You don't be ridiculous! Did you even watch the replay? She put her foot on the ball to move it away, then an instant later the LSU girl put her foot in front of the ball AT THE SAME TIME Pelinka had her foot on the ball. It was then the foot rolled over the ball. DUE TO THE LSU GIRL putting her foot in front to stop the ball.
How in the hell do you call that "going in high & reckless"?
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What in the hell has that got to do with it? If it was intentional or if she was playing recklessly that would matter. But she wasn't. A foul isn't called based on whether or not the injury was serious.
And yes, I've played in a rugby game where one of my teammates broke his leg when his cleats got stuck in some grass just as he was being hit. Complete break of his tibia, bottom part going 90 degrees, perpendicular to the part of his leg above the fracture. It wasn't pretty, but guess what? There was no foul because the leg being broken didn't matter as far as the rule is concerned.
I've also played in another game where another teammate had his jaw fractured in multiple places so severely he had to quit playing rugby for good.
I personally have had my nose broken multiple times playing rugby, the socket on my thumb has been broken playing, and more. none of them caused a foul or penalty because rules don't care about how badly somebody was hurt.
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It has everything to do with it. It doesn't matter if she was playing recklessly or not. That's why it's a point of emphasis now. Studs on legs in bone breaking angles are totally frowned upon, NO MATTER THE CIRCUMSTANCES. You are being irrational here. It's sport wide in soccer.
You asked for more experienced soccer fans to explain the call to you. WE did. If you follow the game, you might not agree with the call, but you absolutely know why it was called. I bitched like hell when it happened to Liverpool too...but the fact remains that kind of thing is more likely to get called a red than not now. Same mentality as targeting in our football.
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You simply don't seem to understand what I'm saying, I am reading the rules I've been able to find and reading what has been posted here. Based on those, I do not believe it met the criteria.
An explanation of, "Well it happened to Liverpool", or even that it's a point of emphasis now does not, as far as I can see have anything to do with whether or not a rule was broken.
As an example, what I would consider a foul would be if our girl went into a tackle with spikes up, even without intention of doing harm, and spiked the other girl. In this case, I am saying the other girl created the circumstance by putting her foot in front of the ball at the same time our girl was trying to dribble away. That is the very thing that caused our girl's foot to roll ever the ball.
A foot rolling over the ball because the other girl pretty much made it happen does not seem to meet the criteria. But perhaps I didn't read the rules correctly, so I'll look again.
In the meantime, how would you then interpret, say, a corner kick where as the ball is kicked one player fell on the ground at the same time the other team's player has jumped in the air to attempt a header, then lands with her spikes directly on the other girl's leg? It seems to me, based on your explanations that it wouldn't matter the circumstances, the girl who attempted the header gets a red card and DQ'd.
The thing that you don't get is, and it's been pointed out to you multiple times, is that what happened is considered to be dangerous play. That is the rule that covers it. It doesn't matter how or why it happened. AGAIN, you asked for more experience opinions. You got them. Now you are arguing with them. Pat, should we attempt to explain handball or offsides to him?
As for your example, that would be less likely to be called, but it still could be. I've seen it. The difference would be that the receiver of the potential foul wasn't in a normal playing position. Soccer calls are very much judgement calls for the most part. You don't seem to understand that either. I can tell you what happened in our game...that call would have been upheld by every VAR in the world.
But patdog, it wasn't a tackle. That's been one of my main points. The LSU girl had lost possession and was tied up with our other player. The LSU girl did not regain possession or even touch the ball until after our girl's foot was on the ball.
How can that be considered a tackle? And if it isn't a tackle or attempted tackle, does that give you any pause?