in last year's Auburn game in marshmallow's blog just made me sick. There is NO excuse for losing to those ******** this year.
Seeing the run by Relf
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in last year's Auburn game in marshmallow's blog just made me sick. There is NO excuse for losing to those ******** this year.
but I remember the play like it was yesterday. There was a point during the play where you could clearly see that it was going to be Relf versus the single Auburn player at the goal line and if someone had asked me, I would have said that Relf scores on that 99.9% of the time. I could not believe my eyes when I watched a player that was outweighed by probably 40 lb just completely stick Relf at the goal line. It made me sick at the time, and it still make me shake my head.
1st half Chris Relf would've knocked that guy back 5 yards. he was gassed, we rode him the entire game. he had nothing left, but he sure didn't give maximum effort on that play. </p>
Giving up two quick TDs.
Dyer making our DEs look like chumps.
Special teams giving them the ball close to the 50 every time.
Headsetgate.
Relf's inability to lunge at the goal line.
After taking them to the wire twice, I want to destroy them this year.
Dyer making our DEs look like chumps.
Special teams giving them the ball close to the 50 every time.
Headsetgate.
Relf's inability to lunge at the goal line.
After taking them to the wire twice, I want to destroy them this year.
at least I think I saw that recently. He could have just reached across the goal line, but it was in his other hand.
He doesn't make a great block but it doesn't inhibit the play at all. His goal on that play is to just not whiff his block. He does a decent job of controlling his man. Relf in no way has to avoid him. That is just the natural 'pause' of the option play. You have to give your blockers a second to get in position for the play. The problem is that our TE goes outside instead of staying inside and catching the flow
MemphisMaroonClubDog said:
He and Fletcher had a combo block on the 7-tech and Fletcher released him because he slanted inside. Clausell, instead of taking his 45-degree step at the 7-tech, just shuffles to the left and catches the guy. He doesnt come off the ball what-so-ever- causing Ralph to have to go deeper than he would have liked. Relf should have never had to go any deeper than the 5-yard line on the play- but because Clausell didnt fire off and just "caught" his man, he had to bow it back to the 6 yd line before he could start gaining ground. The absolute worst thing on the option play is having to go deeper- you want to be able to gain ground to the LOS as quick as possible.
Now, you are correct in that Fletcher, after releasing the 7 to Clausell, didnt go on to seal inside. He instead chased the LB who was scraping QB to pitch.
I have no idea how to post a picture of the video still frame so I will force you to do it. Please go to the :07 and tell me how Clausell's block at the 2 yard line causes Relf (who is already at the 5 yard line) causes this play to blow up?
Clausell's man never penetrates beyond the 2 1/2 yard line. The problem on that play is not caused by Clausell. He may be worthless on most plays but not this one...
The 'depth' that Relf creates on this play is the style of the option we run. You have to give the blocks a chance to develop. We do not run an offense that is a direct, straight ahead offense. We allow the blocks to develop
Clausell's man never penetrates beyond the 2 1/2 yard line. The problem on that play is not caused by Clausell. He may be worthless on most plays but not this one...
The 'depth' that Relf creates on this play is the style of the option we run. You have to give the blocks a chance to develop. We do not run an offense that is a direct, straight ahead offense. We allow the blocks to develop
MemphisMaroonClubDog said:
" you have zero grasp of the option"
Father ran the Wishbone Offense as a coach for 11 years after studying with the staffs of Emory Bellard and Bear Bryant
My other HS coach who I learned the option game from coached in college and HS- and is in the Miss HOF
My 1st job coaching was under a coach that is in the Tennessee HS HOF
I've been to clinics to hear Fisher DeBerry, Mike Sewak...as well as numerous one on one with the Louisville Legend Mark Hudspeth.
And in all that time- I've never heard anybody say an offensive tackle is supposed to catch his man instead of fire out, and the QB is supposed to get real deep into the backfield instead of getting upfield asap.
Clausell got no push because he didnt fire out and instead caught his man- keeping him on the 3 yd line and the guy eventually falls on the 4. On the edge right there is where we should have gotten some push. Go back and watch Carmon and Sherrod do it- they werent catching their man. Hell, Clausell was even firing out like he was supposed to at the en of the year. If he fires off and attacks that guy, it changes the whole play because Relf doesnt have to go as deep and he gets to the goalline quicker
and I could go on and on about my credentials of how I was part of the best rushing offense in the history of the State of MS but who cares....
The simple fact is this: Clausell's block is sufficient, not great, not even good, but its sufficient. His man, in no way, inhibits Relf's movement on the play. I guarantee you that if you were to review our option to the left, you would see that Relf takes the exact same route EVERY single time. His depth on this play is not due to Clausell's block 3 yards in front of him, his depth is to allow the play to develop. If you run straight ahead as hard as you can on the option, you will NEVER have a successful play.
To have seen as much of the option offense as you claim, you grasped almost none of it. Although, I am not suprised at all...
The simple fact is this: Clausell's block is sufficient, not great, not even good, but its sufficient. His man, in no way, inhibits Relf's movement on the play. I guarantee you that if you were to review our option to the left, you would see that Relf takes the exact same route EVERY single time. His depth on this play is not due to Clausell's block 3 yards in front of him, his depth is to allow the play to develop. If you run straight ahead as hard as you can on the option, you will NEVER have a successful play.
To have seen as much of the option offense as you claim, you grasped almost none of it. Although, I am not suprised at all...
I'll continue to say that the worst part of that play was the play call itself. Worst of Mullen's career. There is no way on 2nd down with 10 seconds left, that you run the football. It lacks all logic. We should have thrown the ball there, and ran this play the next down. There is really no excuse for it.
it's the QB's job to get down the line asap and read his pitch key. Once he makes the read, he cuts it up or makes the pitch. The ONLY thing the QB waits on is the FB to clear- that's it. You start waiting and the defense will be all over you
"To have seen as much of the option offense as you claim, you grasped almost none of it. Although, I am not suprised at all..."
I feel like Emory Bellard talking to a 7 year old about the Veer- and the 7 yr old telling him he's wrong. You are just way off dude. Wayyy off
"To have seen as much of the option offense as you claim, you grasped almost none of it. Although, I am not suprised at all..."
I feel like Emory Bellard talking to a 7 year old about the Veer- and the 7 yr old telling him he's wrong. You are just way off dude. Wayyy off
**** the entire game. However, I was sitting in the end-zone, and Ballardactuallyscored on the previous play. We should have been going for two to try to win itbecausethe Auburn D was gassed.<div>
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at least purposely. We didn't score and nothing is going to change that. All I can hope is our coaching staff learned something from that situation that will help the next time we face something similar.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veer
This is where the name of the offense, the veer, comes from. This is just one part of the four-part option. If the quarterback keeps the ball, he attempts to cut up the field with the opposite side halfback, who has been running right towards the dive back's original position. He is the pitch man.
talks about how the QB attempts to get upfield asap- you dont want to get forced deep- and Clausell not firing out caused us to go deeper
This is where the name of the offense, the veer, comes from. This is just one part of the four-part option. If the quarterback keeps the ball, he attempts to cut up the field with the opposite side halfback, who has been running right towards the dive back's original position. He is the pitch man.
talks about how the QB attempts to get upfield asap- you dont want to get forced deep- and Clausell not firing out caused us to go deeper
Flabs right, it was Relf's call on the field. Let's take a step back here for a moment to see EXACTLY where the thought process was for Mullen & Les. Relf had just won the MVP award in the Gator Bowl & even the 2 games prior to that game he had torched Arky & Tsun. Then before the Auburn game we had a nice game offensively vs Memphis as well. We were riding high coming into this game, plus they didn't have Cam or Fairley (who almost single handedly beat us the yr before). Relf was running rupshide against Auburn's defense. Plus he's a senior? And some of you think him having the final play was a "BAD" play call? Come on here people lets get some 17ing perspective here! He was torching this defense! We out gained them 531 (us) to 361 (them).
or whose "fault" it is. I'm not super versed in the veer like coach is but I do know that in the veer the T's are supposed to fire off quickly. But beyond that, don't question the play call....question the personel. Why the HELL is FC lined up in the backfield in the firstplace? I would've felt better w/ another OL or another fullback. You can't even get mad @ FC on that play, he had NO buisness on the field at that point in time....AT ALL!
ways to defend the option at ANY level is to get penetration and screw up the play's desired route.By "buying time" with the penetration even if notackle on the ball is made, you create new pursuit angles and allow therest of the defense to get in place. Hell, this isn't an option concept, this is a run defense concept. If your DT gets push, on an off tackle run, it alters the path of the running back.It allows your backside guys more time and better angles to get to the ball carrier. </p>
Ya'll can argue over the block and whether or not the qb is supposed to turn up field or let the blocks develop all you want. Point is, if Relf makes the pitch, it's 6 ....Of course either way it's not gonna change anything now. Just hope we leave no doubt this year!
