Doing a heckuva job with he Chicago Bears......
(semi-OT) Kevin Warren
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the nonsensical hate this guy has gotten on this board is...well...interesting
Man in essence stole millions from the conference. Deserves to be ripped.
you're joking right?
he landed a coup with UCLA/USC and drove out the largest TV deal in the history of the college sports
so tell me again what we're ripping him for?
@RU_PAYBACK - I dont know how to reply to you because your reply is somehow embedded in my reply...LOL
forgive me if I misunderstood, but am I wrong to believe you started this thread because you don't think Warren did a good job?
and secondly, would you feel better if I put "hate" in quotes? I dont believe you actually hate the guy (I have no idea if you do or dont)...I was using the word in the message board context it's usually used in.
forgive me if I misunderstood, but am I wrong to believe you started this thread because you don't think Warren did a good job?
and secondly, would you feel better if I put "hate" in quotes? I dont believe you actually hate the guy (I have no idea if you do or dont)...I was using the word in the message board context it's usually used in.
Landed a coup with USC/UCLA? They approached the B1G because they wanted out of the PAC12.
The size of the latest TV deals was thanks to his predecessor Delaney, who had the foresight to make six year deals in the B1G’s previous contract to get back to market faster when they other conferences always jumped at the security of longer term deals.
you realize they called the BIG and joined, he did nothing but said ok let me tell the presidents
A different take on it. I just think he made a dumb move leaving the job he had for the one he got. Chicago was a dumpster fire and now is a bigger dumpster fire. Maybe he can clean it up but the QB is a total bust, the cupboard was bare and the Mack trade never panned out, so he's got yrs of work ahead of him. He could be the king of the best conference that has exerted it's influence to become unrivaled.
It was reported that Warren was not respected by many of the University ADs / Presidents and that he was quite aloof.
In fairness on the expansion issues, Warren was very pro expansion and lobbied to admit Oregon and Washington and maybe others when USC / UCLA were admitted.
In fairness on the expansion issues, Warren was very pro expansion and lobbied to admit Oregon and Washington and maybe others when USC / UCLA were admitted.
Good point about the Mack trade. That was supposed to save money and re-set them for the future. Kind of like a Herschel Walker-lite trade. But it never really panned out.
Rumors were that the athletic director at osu was the driving force behind the move. Who knows. I give him credit for the TV deal but a demerit for how he handled the covid season.
i mean it gets hard to debate someone's effectiveness with your approach...but carry on.
I mean just read your post...you probably have zero inside information on this, yet you're burying someone as if you know what happened. Why do you think that is?
As for the product on the field, I think ( just a guess) he really isn't too involved in coaching and roster moves.
He was hired to get a new stadium for the Bears because of how he developed and pushed through the Stadium for the Minnesota Vikings .
The cost to build a new stadium for the Bears is estimated to be arounf $2 billion while developing the surrounding ara will make total cose arounf % billion
Kevin was hired to run the business side and delegate running the sports side to others
He was hired to get a new stadium for the Bears because of how he developed and pushed through the Stadium for the Minnesota Vikings .
The cost to build a new stadium for the Bears is estimated to be arounf $2 billion while developing the surrounding ara will make total cose arounf % billion
Kevin was hired to run the business side and delegate running the sports side to others
Ha you beat me to it!
I heard Warren would talk to the USC/UCLA presidents while on the treadmill or something.
Because I can read, and comprehend what I read?
It has been reported that USC/UCLA approached the B1G, not the other way around. I didn’t have to be there.
It was a discussion point at the time the previous B1G contracts were signed how Delaney went against the grain by making only six year deals and how, while it was a gamble, it had the potential of setting the B1G up for a huge payday by getting to the open market quicker (which is exactly what happened).
I’m sorry your two arguments were both so easily debunked, but it didn’t take much effort.
That literally fell into his lap. UCLA and USC knew it was time to jump ship. The Covid year was a disaster even greater than it should've been. He wasn't as bad as some say and he definitely added value in areas as well. Credit for USC and UCLA though? That was a layup.
"Layups aren't automatic." - signed, Charles Smith.
As far as I'm concerned, unless someone can prove that Kevin Warren didn't orchestrate the move of USC/UCLA to the B1G, negotiate the tv deal, and finagle his way out of "The Alliance" so that the B1G could capitalize...then everything said is just hearsay. There is plenty of evidence to suggest that these moves happened on Warren's watch (just like the COVID decision is laid on him), but I don't see any evidence to the contrary.
Show and prove.
Show and prove.
I am sure dozens of schools approached the B1G...are they all in the B1G?
not sure what argument you think you've debunked. that Warren wasn't the commissioner of the B1G when USC and UCLA were brought in? That he wasn't the commissioner when the new TV deal was announced? you've read a couple of articles so you're an authority on how much he had to do with it all? you might want to look up the definition of debunked.
anyway, my original point holds...which is I find it funny that Warren has so many people triggered (you seem to be included in that grouping).
Can I nitpick a little? It's clear that USC wanted to jump to the B1G. They then persuaded UCLA (which was discontent with the Pac-12 because UCLA had a huge deficit) to jump with them. I don't doubt that the two approached the B1G together, but it's pretty clear who took the initiative.
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Not just because he’s black (the country is used to someone being black now), but because he’s black and is an authority within institutions and spaces that hadn’t seen it or dealt with it before. His COVID moves also signaled to some a tendency toward being liberal. He’s not immune to being critiqued, don’t get me wrong, but this motivation to discuss him now is unwarranted. Not to mention, he doesn’t even get credit for accomplishing anything positive on his watch. I could give MANY examples of how and when this happens…but do I really need to?
He gets credit for it .
I don’t get the hate for this guy here
It's kind of like the 2014 season Flood had. Nobody will give him any credit. They were Greg's players. It was because of Friedgen. Etc. Etc. Well, Flood reached out to Friedgen and got him to come to Rutgers. To not give him at least some credit for the 2014 season is just silly, regardless of the Counting Crows concert, the Princeton incident and all the crap that happened in 2015.
I think most people give flood credit for 2014. He did coach some good games and had his team prepared.
Should have said "quite a few fans" instead of nobody. We agree again. That's twice in one day!
For what it’s worth , I wanted flood fired in 2012, 2013 and 2015.
But in 2014 I permitted him to stay.
I remember the USF game in [CORRECTED to 2013], and there was a strong buzz that Flood was going to get fired. People were convinced it was going to happen. Wasn't that also the Kyle Flood bobblehead night?
Did the trouble start after getting waxed by Houston, Cincinnati, UCF? Losing to UConn was the supposed nail in his coffin.
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what in the world come over you 2
Floods recruiting and the fear he couldn't keep RU on an upward path made many here want him gone.
Some from the moment he was hired.
I was a Floodie at first but by the time he became Judy in disguise , I had soured on him and felt Rutgers was on a downward path with him in charge.
Kevin Warren ,as far as I'm concerned , did a good job and was part of getting west coast expansion TO move along smoothly as well as getting a good TV rights deal , even if the TV deal needed to be tweaked by Tony Petitti he made a good deal for the B1G