Shaka Smart is 13 mins away from the place Stansbury will never go
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Shaka is going to have a very good job next year. I personally think it will be Tennessee. He's got a VCU team looking like one of the better teams in the tournament. </p>
and give him a couple of million $'s a year. And if history repeats itself - and it does more times than not - he will be coaching in the Big South inside 5 years.
He's been an assistant at Clemson and Florida, he's gotten 50+ wins in his 2 seasons at VCU, he won the CBI last year, and now he's going to the Sweet 16 with a chance to play either FSU or Notre Dame for an Elite 8 appearance. He reminds me a lot of Anthony Grant and that type of subdued, yet fiery and emotional when he needs to be type coach. He's not over the top, which some of these guys at these small schools can be. I think he will be a good coach at the next school he goes to.
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I think if Tennesse opens up or some other good job does, he's gone this year. AD's jump on those hot commodities real fast, so someone will come at him with good money Secondly, I think Stansbury is going to do well enough next yearto stick around for a while longer. I've agreed with you from the beginning about Stansbury. I don't think he has what it takes to get our team mentally focused enoughand physically prepared enough to get us to where we want to be on a consistent basis. But he usually does just good enough for most everyone to be happy enough to keep him.
I think our team next year has too much talent not to get to NCAA Tournament, and it's probablythe most talented starting 5 he's ever had.Obviously if we don't get to the NCAA I think he's gone, but I see us getting in as an 8 or 9 seed, winning, then playing some 1 seed and getting beat. After 13 years of him, we still have problems rebounding and finishing games, and I don't think that will ever change as long as he's the coach. I hope we do well and things turn around for our program, but I still think our team is always going to be frustrating to watch as long as Stansbury is the HC.
I think our team next year has too much talent not to get to NCAA Tournament, and it's probablythe most talented starting 5 he's ever had.Obviously if we don't get to the NCAA I think he's gone, but I see us getting in as an 8 or 9 seed, winning, then playing some 1 seed and getting beat. After 13 years of him, we still have problems rebounding and finishing games, and I don't think that will ever change as long as he's the coach. I hope we do well and things turn around for our program, but I still think our team is always going to be frustrating to watch as long as Stansbury is the HC.
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And either way, this VCU team is on a hot run. Happens to alot of coaches. Good program, but not great. If they get to the Final Four, they've done something. Until then, I don't place the emphasis on tourney runs that most do.
at this point. As our program has taught us, never count on anything until September gets here. We still have the possibility of transfers and no idea on how one of our good young players will return from injury.
The SEC is going to be improved all the way round. Kentucky, Vandy, Tennessee will be very good in the East- plus the other 3 wont be too bad either
Bama and UPig will be tough in the West- plus LSU will be improved.
We are playing a little tougher schedule next year- which means some sure losses.
I think we will be a bubble team once again as we head into the SEC Tourney as usual
The SEC is going to be improved all the way round. Kentucky, Vandy, Tennessee will be very good in the East- plus the other 3 wont be too bad either
Bama and UPig will be tough in the West- plus LSU will be improved.
We are playing a little tougher schedule next year- which means some sure losses.
I think we will be a bubble team once again as we head into the SEC Tourney as usual
still doesnt take away from the fact hat Smart has taken them farther than he did. People around here want to spew out Stan Heath or **** like that, but it's also the same way Bill Self, Tubby Smith, Bruce Pearl, and many other successful coaches started out as well.
the "let's hire the latest guy to take a small school to the Sweet 16" thing works about 1 out of 10 times. Maybe VCU's guy is the 1, but it's much more likely that he will be Stan Heath than he will be Bruce Pearl.
I would put alineup of Smith,Bost, Hood, Moultrie, andSidney up against most every team in the SEC and feel good that we should win. There are a lot of personalities on this team that I'm concerned Stansbury won't be able to fully control, but I think if everything gels together, we've got a very talented team. Depth will be an issue. Gardner, Steele, Bryant, Shaun, and Riek is not ideal depth.
Alot depends on who in the SEC decides to leave early. Bama could look really different if Green decides to leave. He can score in the post and the NBA needs some of that right now.I could see him leaving. UK has a sick recruiting class right now, so they should be good no matter who leaves this year from their team. Vandy should be good. Jenkins, Taylor, Ezeli, Tinsley, and Tchiengang all return unless some decide to go early. They will be tough. But other than those 3 teams, I don't think anyone in the SEC can compete with us talent-wise. If Stansbury can pull this team together, we could be good. But if the personalities of this team take over, we could see a more talented version of what we saw this year. </p>
Alot depends on who in the SEC decides to leave early. Bama could look really different if Green decides to leave. He can score in the post and the NBA needs some of that right now.I could see him leaving. UK has a sick recruiting class right now, so they should be good no matter who leaves this year from their team. Vandy should be good. Jenkins, Taylor, Ezeli, Tinsley, and Tchiengang all return unless some decide to go early. They will be tough. But other than those 3 teams, I don't think anyone in the SEC can compete with us talent-wise. If Stansbury can pull this team together, we could be good. But if the personalities of this team take over, we could see a more talented version of what we saw this year. </p>
No interet in getting into a dick swinging contest here, just though I would mention the latest total failure at the major level after having a great season at a midmajor. .
I have no idea either way.
It isn't a bad idea to hire a mid major coach, I don't think anyone would argue that, it's just absurd to hire someone like that based off 1 NCAA tournament run where luck is half the key to success.
It isn't a bad idea to hire a mid major coach, I don't think anyone would argue that, it's just absurd to hire someone like that based off 1 NCAA tournament run where luck is half the key to success.
My comment was about hiring someone after making one tourney run, not after sustained success over time. Bruce Pearl is a rarity in that he was more or less unknown until taking Wisc-GB deep into the tourney, then getting hired by UT and having success there as well. There are many more Stan Heaths than there are Bruce Pearls. Calhoun, Pitino, those guys had long tenures of success at mid-majors before taking a big job.
When the time comes, we should hire a guy with sustained head coaching success at a smaller school that also has some major conference assistant coaching experience. Not a flash in the pan guy that won 2 games (or 3) in the NCAA tournament once. This VCU guy might turn out great. Right now, he's just a guy that had a great week.
When the time comes, we should hire a guy with sustained head coaching success at a smaller school that also has some major conference assistant coaching experience. Not a flash in the pan guy that won 2 games (or 3) in the NCAA tournament once. This VCU guy might turn out great. Right now, he's just a guy that had a great week.
Pitino made the NCAAs at Boston U, took Providence to the Final Four in two years, then went to UK.
Coach K had just polished off a 9-17 season at Army when Duke hired him 827 wins ago.
Calhoun took Northeastern to five NCAAs before UConn hired him.
Donovan was 35-20 with no postseason in two years at Marshall before going to UF.
Tubby went to back to back Sweet 16s at Tulsa before going to UGA. Like Pitino, he did two years at his first major job before going to UK.
Self took Tulsa to the second round then the Elite Eight in his last two years at Tulsa before going to Illinois.
Coach K had just polished off a 9-17 season at Army when Duke hired him 827 wins ago.
Calhoun took Northeastern to five NCAAs before UConn hired him.
Donovan was 35-20 with no postseason in two years at Marshall before going to UF.
Tubby went to back to back Sweet 16s at Tulsa before going to UGA. Like Pitino, he did two years at his first major job before going to UK.
Self took Tulsa to the second round then the Elite Eight in his last two years at Tulsa before going to Illinois.
Pitino had success at BU before going to Providence, which last time I checked, was in the Big East (a major conference). UK did hire him after he took PC to the Final Four in '86, but he had had quite a bit of success before that and already had a "big conference" job anyway at PC. He didn't get hired because of one tourney run.
Bill Self went to two Sweet 16's at Tulsa before going to Illinois. Not one weekend of good basketball.
For the third time, and I'll type it slowly for you, we should hire a coach with sustained success, not a guy who had one good weekend of basketball.
Bill Self went to two Sweet 16's at Tulsa before going to Illinois. Not one weekend of good basketball.
For the third time, and I'll type it slowly for you, we should hire a coach with sustained success, not a guy who had one good weekend of basketball.
Coach K and Donovan had nothing to hang their hats on. Calhoun made several NCAAs but won one game I think in all that time. Matt Painter did one year at Southern Illinois before getting the Purdue job, and in that year he lost in the first round.
So while they didn't get hired off one good weekend, they didn't exactly have stellar resumes.
That's why I'm glad some of the names that are being discussed were brought up DURING the season this year, not based off what has happened in the last five days. Smart was on that list. He took his VCU squad to Wichita State and beat Gregg Marshall's team in Bracket Busters. That game had a weird ending too....like a last second foul or something.
So while they didn't get hired off one good weekend, they didn't exactly have stellar resumes.
That's why I'm glad some of the names that are being discussed were brought up DURING the season this year, not based off what has happened in the last five days. Smart was on that list. He took his VCU squad to Wichita State and beat Gregg Marshall's team in Bracket Busters. That game had a weird ending too....like a last second foul or something.
He was 91-51 in 4 years at BU. That's in a one-bid league, and he also made an NIT in there.
Yes, he only made one NCAA tourney run, but he had success before that.
You can argue me all you want on this one particular coach, but my overall point is correct. It makes no sense to hire a guy based on one weekend of basketball. It makes much more sense to hire a guy who has had quite a bit of sustained success, like Pitino had even before going to PC.
Like I said already, Shaka Smart might turn out to be another Bruce Pearl. Who knows? But it's a much smarter and less riskier thing to hire a guy who has won as a head coach over time and has major conference experience as an assistant as well.
This is all moot anyway. Stansbury will be our coach next year.
Yes, he only made one NCAA tourney run, but he had success before that.
You can argue me all you want on this one particular coach, but my overall point is correct. It makes no sense to hire a guy based on one weekend of basketball. It makes much more sense to hire a guy who has had quite a bit of sustained success, like Pitino had even before going to PC.
Like I said already, Shaka Smart might turn out to be another Bruce Pearl. Who knows? But it's a much smarter and less riskier thing to hire a guy who has won as a head coach over time and has major conference experience as an assistant as well.
This is all moot anyway. Stansbury will be our coach next year.
A Sweet 16 is nice to put on his resume, but I'd hire Shaka Smart without it. Here is why:
-He runs a fantastic system...Create havoc on defense, share the ball on offense, spread the court and let your players make plays. Also, they never let up. His players have no idea how to run a 'stall' offense. This is key in selling recruits, players, and fans.
-His players respect him. They mentioned on TV tonight how one of his guys posted an inspirational quote on Twitter and later came back and said that it wasn't his quote, but something Coach Smart had told them.
-He represents VCU and himself very well. Extremely polished in front of a camera, and in a recruit's living room I'd bet.
-He runs a fantastic system...Create havoc on defense, share the ball on offense, spread the court and let your players make plays. Also, they never let up. His players have no idea how to run a 'stall' offense. This is key in selling recruits, players, and fans.
-His players respect him. They mentioned on TV tonight how one of his guys posted an inspirational quote on Twitter and later came back and said that it wasn't his quote, but something Coach Smart had told them.
-He represents VCU and himself very well. Extremely polished in front of a camera, and in a recruit's living room I'd bet.
Takes App State to NCAA's, gets hired by Tulsa and wins NIT in first year and then goes to Tennessee where he is a terrible failure.
Some guys are hired because smart ADs see in them the great potential for success. Billy Donovan is one such example. Some guys are hired because lazy ADs look only at the recent NCAA Tourney to see who is the latest hot name to take a mid-major on a nice run. The thinking is as follows: if he can do that at this small school, imagine what he can do here. Had the AD done his homeworld he would have known that this success was a fluke and the guy isn't going to take his program anywhere.
Hiring coaches is always risky. However, smart ADs do their homework and can spot potential. Lazy ADs hire the hot name with almost no consideration for anything else. </p>
Hiring coaches is always risky. However, smart ADs do their homework and can spot potential. Lazy ADs hire the hot name with almost no consideration for anything else. </p>
Pitino left BU to work for Hubie Brown with the Knicks. After two years, he landed the Providence job.Coach34 said:
He left Providence after two seasons to become HC of the Knicks where he won 52 games his second year.
The run at Providence didn't hurt, but his NBA ties landed him the UK job.
Not really. Pearlwon 6 conference championships at USIand UWM and won a NC at USI. He might have been an unknown to the casual fan in Mississippi, but he had a solid resume when he got the UT job.MSUCostanza said: