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Shane Lyons discusses the reasoning behind no fans at the opener
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You talk as if you abandoned it a long time ago if that is the case.
So Lyons isn't asking you.
He is asking people that still support the program.
Your narrative has been the same. Same with a few others.
Let's cut the ********.
So those who “support the program“ = money mark boosters?
I guess according to you and Lyons the regular fans and those who buy and attend games with their family but can’t afford to be a booster are considered to not be “supporting the program”.
Such a damn idiot.
Dedication doesn't just disappear
Especially since you continue to post on this message board.
Classic troll behavior. Act like a disgruntled fan especially one that has given so much time and effort to a program.
Not like you wake up one morning and say I hate WVU now after giving 30 years of my life to them...
Just isn't normal.
Especially since you continue to post on this message board.
Classic troll behavior. Act like a disgruntled fan especially one that has given so much time and effort to a program.
Not like you wake up one morning and say I hate WVU now after giving 30 years of my life to them...
Just isn't normal.
You didn't even attend WVU and you are a compulsive liar, Chris.
WVU has never received a check with your name on it.
Things don't add up
If you did everything you say you did....Why just stop posting as well.
If you going to stop giving money you stop giving time as well.
You still dedicate your time. For some people time is $$$$. They can make better use of their time
So obviously something is still important because you still post.
You want something to be there that isn't.
You try so hard to get what is in your mind on this board...
But none of it makes any sense at all.
Unlike you, I'm off work late at night and can use my discretionary time as I choose.
You still use it on WVU football....
This isn't changing
You have for awhile. Sane narrative about how people should stop caring so much about college football and you don't see the lack of importance in it.
Same as you do about people giving money
During this entire time you are giving WVU your time and effort
I think the disconnect is you view WVU football more as a social or community institution rather than the corporate business minded institution that it is. It's foolish to give money in a no strings attached manor to an institution who has no obligation to you and has never shown anything other than a pure business relationship with practically all the fans. College football is ridiculously lucrative and the moment things get back to normal, they'd find investors ... I mean donors quickly. They'd also get right back to ticket sales. So it's more like corporate welfare than trying to save the local community theater or food pantry.
A few points and/or questions I have:
1) I would assume that all athletic departments are being hit during this crisis? Are we saying that if we give more money now, while every other team is struggling, then we can basically buy ourselves a national championship? Finally compete with the Texas' and Clemson's of the world? Most people give/donate expecting a certain product on the field/court. Are we saying this is our time to make it happen - while everyone else is down?
2) What does the AD plan to do with the money they are going to get? In other words, how are they going to give us some semblance of a guarantee the product will improve?
3) During this crisis, is the academic side struggling as well? What I mean is how bad is it for the Business Department? The English Department, etc. If they are struggling as well, would that money be better spent propping them up first. After all, they are STUDENT athletes first and if the English department fails then there goes the Athletic department, too.
I guess, to sum up, is: How bad is it really? A little low but still in the black? A little in the red? On the brink of collapse?
1) I would assume that all athletic departments are being hit during this crisis? Are we saying that if we give more money now, while every other team is struggling, then we can basically buy ourselves a national championship? Finally compete with the Texas' and Clemson's of the world? Most people give/donate expecting a certain product on the field/court. Are we saying this is our time to make it happen - while everyone else is down?
2) What does the AD plan to do with the money they are going to get? In other words, how are they going to give us some semblance of a guarantee the product will improve?
3) During this crisis, is the academic side struggling as well? What I mean is how bad is it for the Business Department? The English Department, etc. If they are struggling as well, would that money be better spent propping them up first. After all, they are STUDENT athletes first and if the English department fails then there goes the Athletic department, too.
I guess, to sum up, is: How bad is it really? A little low but still in the black? A little in the red? On the brink of collapse?
In the business world, when things get back to normal, the costs of being down will get passed on to the consumer, i.e. the fan, through higher prices to make up for lost revenue. Especially if there is a monopoly, which in the case of college sports, it could be considered as such.
Is there going to be a pseudo-guarantee ticket prices, concession prices, etc. won't increase dramatically if more money is donated? Are we getting close to the limit now so that the average fan can't pay any more? Will that end up causing more empty seats and lost revenue in the long run?
Lots of questions...
I wouldn’t equate college sports to any business model or philanthropy to support a school. I believe it is simply about entertainment for most people. For me it is entertainment and I have 3 WVU sheep skins from the CoE or CEMR as it’s known now. Also my devotion left years ago when I saw what college sports really are, it’s entertainment like a movie or tv show.
I also believe college sports is in a bubble as are all sports. Live attendance gate numbers at both the college and even professional levels for football and basketball has been falling for at least the last 5 plus years. The bowl games,, even non New Years Marquis Bowl Games,, which used to mean MILLIONS in economic impact (see Continental Tire Bowl (Charlotte) and Gator Bowl (Jacksonville) 20 years back) aren’t even a blip on the economic scale now. Throw in a pandemic (life threatening to the masses or not) and athletics bringing politics, etc to their game, and the leg room won’t be limited by seat width.
I don’t think you’ll see a full stadium for a while and what this means is people will find other ways to occupy their time and ways to spend their $$$$. Most likely what the sports fans spend their $$$$ on will be cheaper, and a new normal will be created.
The idea that sports will be able to charge more $$$$$ to make up for lost revenue is not sound imo. They may charge more for it but I doubt fans will be in a hurry to buy at a higher price what is being sold. I have seen NASCAR in the 90s go to NAPCAR by 2006 without a pandemic. You used to have to buy season ticket at Bristol (6 freaking races over 3 series in the spring and fall) and there was a multi year waiting list. Today you can walk up on race day and if you pay 50% face value on the ticket you’re getting ripped off. Most of the tracks now use Tarps with advertising over not just a section but the entire backstretch like it’s a Pitt Panther or Oakland Raider Football game with a tarped upper deck.
These other sports and especially college sports are not immune from a downturn in popularity & attendance. NASCAR fans and college football fans have a lot in common between their geography, the tailgating, and support for their favorites. The fans have also shown they’re not dumb and they’ll find other outlets for their entertainment dollars.
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I also believe college sports is in a bubble as are all sports. Live attendance gate numbers at both the college and even professional levels for football and basketball has been falling for at least the last 5 plus years. The bowl games,, even non New Years Marquis Bowl Games,, which used to mean MILLIONS in economic impact (see Continental Tire Bowl (Charlotte) and Gator Bowl (Jacksonville) 20 years back) aren’t even a blip on the economic scale now. Throw in a pandemic (life threatening to the masses or not) and athletics bringing politics, etc to their game, and the leg room won’t be limited by seat width.
I don’t think you’ll see a full stadium for a while and what this means is people will find other ways to occupy their time and ways to spend their $$$$. Most likely what the sports fans spend their $$$$ on will be cheaper, and a new normal will be created.
The idea that sports will be able to charge more $$$$$ to make up for lost revenue is not sound imo. They may charge more for it but I doubt fans will be in a hurry to buy at a higher price what is being sold. I have seen NASCAR in the 90s go to NAPCAR by 2006 without a pandemic. You used to have to buy season ticket at Bristol (6 freaking races over 3 series in the spring and fall) and there was a multi year waiting list. Today you can walk up on race day and if you pay 50% face value on the ticket you’re getting ripped off. Most of the tracks now use Tarps with advertising over not just a section but the entire backstretch like it’s a Pitt Panther or Oakland Raider Football game with a tarped upper deck.
These other sports and especially college sports are not immune from a downturn in popularity & attendance. NASCAR fans and college football fans have a lot in common between their geography, the tailgating, and support for their favorites. The fans have also shown they’re not dumb and they’ll find other outlets for their entertainment dollars.
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It would be blind faith to donate money expecting consideration on the back end. WVU, like all programs, have more often than not gone with what the market could bear when it comes to pricing. And the more people willing to "take one for the team" will actually embolden the admin further toward milking the fan base when they know they have that kind of loyalty.
I read a quote from Lyons weeks ago that because of no B12 and NCAA basketball tournaments, the rainy day fund has been used up.
Fiscal responsibility and contingency management is job one for the AD. Shane is operating like a California progressive...and failing at his job just the same.
Their rainy day fund is the university itself. The universities rainy day fund are the taxpayers and students, and the students rainy day fund is the government...and the government's rainy day fund is the taxpayer - everyone is just borrowing against each other. Robbing Peter to pay Paul so Paul can payback Peter.
Nothing can go wrong....
Sorry I don't see that. What is his failure you claim? Show some documentation of it. Shane Lyons not only has to deal with fiscal end of it but also with keeping up the arms race so to speak in building up facilities to a higher standard. Those bigger better facilities makes young peoples eyes pop out of their heads and may sign with the program.
It's not an easy job and most of you, including myself wouldn't last a week.
Why should any of us really care if an 18 year old who barely got through high school "signs" with WVU because of some brand new glitz and glammar. I can tell you...as a fact...that a lot of big time donors...university department heads etc are beginning to ask questions . What has the myth of spending our way to athletic success done? Mediocre results at best. The model of worrying about some jock coming to WVU to prove our collective manhood is teetering on the edge. Athletics is not the mission of the university.
Exactly.
What exactly has WVU won with all this new income they have? The increase in revenue has not brought in this new success that everyone is preaching that we need to keep up facilities for? Plenty of schools have done more with less and continue to do so with less. Rich Rod had more success than any recent HC in WVU football history, with less finances.
If keeping up with the Financial spending of other schools is the priority of Lyons, then he should resign. The AD should make sure they can be as self-sufficient as possible, instead of barely being in the black. The product on the field (basketball included) does not equal what he’s trying to sell.
What exactly has WVU won with all this new income they have? The increase in revenue has not brought in this new success that everyone is preaching that we need to keep up facilities for? Plenty of schools have done more with less and continue to do so with less. Rich Rod had more success than any recent HC in WVU football history, with less finances.
If keeping up with the Financial spending of other schools is the priority of Lyons, then he should resign. The AD should make sure they can be as self-sufficient as possible, instead of barely being in the black. The product on the field (basketball included) does not equal what he’s trying to sell.
But WVU isn't trying to be there with the G5 schools
The state deserves one P5 program.
Just look at UCF they are trying to do anything and everything they can to get into the position that WVU is at.
Even though they have appeared in two consecutive NYD6 bowl games.
They aren't half the program WVU is.
The state deserves one P5 program.
Just look at UCF they are trying to do anything and everything they can to get into the position that WVU is at.
Even though they have appeared in two consecutive NYD6 bowl games.
They aren't half the program WVU is.
I would rather see the money be used to invest in the mission of the university and hold the line on student costs. The facilities are already top level...actually over the top. Coaches are grossly over compensated. Average West Virginians are being priced out of going to school at WVU and supporting Mountaineer athletics. Time to close the checkbook and demand people in the program actually produce the results they promise for the investment they profit from.