Blake Shapen to Jeff Lebby is what Tommy Stevens was to Joe Moorhead
Shapen/Stevens
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Not saying Lebby is good. But Shapen is a good QB.
Not saying Lebby is good. But Shapen is a good QB.
I don’t even remember who the 17 Tommy Stevens was. My god, our football program has been a dumpster fire since Mullen left. And it wasn’t exactly a gold mine before.
17 you in they/them ***, Cohen.
17 you in they/them ***, Cohen.
Shapen is a good QB. He needs more than 1.5 seconds of blocking time to get a throw off. We could have Tom Brady back there looking bad today.
What we needed to do was pivot to the personnel. This OL can't pass block - at all. So run 6-7 linemen and put in KT to run the ball. Even if they load the box - we figure we can get 3 a play and win. We didn't commit to that but one drive.
What we needed to do was pivot to the personnel. This OL can't pass block - at all. So run 6-7 linemen and put in KT to run the ball. Even if they load the box - we figure we can get 3 a play and win. We didn't commit to that but one drive.
You're being an idiot on two boards tonight with this stupidity. Go sell a hat or something.
And Fant to the Kang and Henig to the Crooms and Russell to the Mullenz. Just play the guy that can run, we have two of them, and attempt to move the pocket on passing downs. Stop playing the Statue’s with Canoon’s behind the Turnstyle OLines. All I ask.
That’s a silly comparison. Shapen has zero time to do anything.
Problem is Shapens only real downfield threat is Thompson and he needs more than 3 seconds to let that type of play to develop. He’s not getting that amount of time for protection and he isn’t letting the ball go any quicker than that.
The better SEC teams were now facing have picked up on that so they’re just gaming to shut down the quick passes and continue to bring pressure.
I’m on the record as saying Stevens wasn’t as bad as our fans like to remember. He was just perpetually hurt. That offense sucked because of Moorhead. He started four different QB’s over two years and it always looked the same.
Shapen is fine. Not great, but fine. Every QB not named Dak Prescott has been needing to be benched according our fan base. I trust the judgment of the staff who has done a competent coaching job this year.
If you think last night’s loss was on Shapen, I can’t do much to help you there. And if you think our QB protection issues immediately go away with a more mobile QB, I think you’d be disappointed. And I can point you to numerous games started by the best running QB’s in our history where their mobility didn’t mean a dang thing.
Shapen is fine. Not great, but fine. Every QB not named Dak Prescott has been needing to be benched according our fan base. I trust the judgment of the staff who has done a competent coaching job this year.
If you think last night’s loss was on Shapen, I can’t do much to help you there. And if you think our QB protection issues immediately go away with a more mobile QB, I think you’d be disappointed. And I can point you to numerous games started by the best running QB’s in our history where their mobility didn’t mean a dang thing.
Shapen is a lower tier SEC QB. He holds the ball too long. The Oline can't pass block, that should have been well evident long before last night. We can't have him dropping back in the pocket like this is in the NFL.
Shapen is an average to slightly above average SEC QB. I wouldn’t trade him for that A&M QB we saw last night. Or the Tennessee QB either.
You have to admit our line play has been abysmal. He does throw a really good deep ball.
That’s true. Shapen is far from the biggest problem on offense but I don’t think Shapen can succeed behind this OL. I’m not sure if the other 2 QBs could or not but someone with better mobility probably has a better chance.
Where did this Shapen isn’t mobile narrative start? Cause it’s not even close to being true.
I don't see it at all, who is he better than? OM has two QBs significantly better. I'm not sure he's better than KT.
He’s definitely not a statue back there but no one is going to confuse him with a mobile QB. He’d be fine behind a good OL but he’s got terrible pocket awareness and he refuses to look for his checkdowns until he is practically getting sacked. He’s essentially a 1 read QB. If his initial read is not there, he’s trying to run. And he’s not mobile enough to really threaten the defense.
If we had the oline that Stevens had Shapen would be getting heisman talks because he would look have a ton of time and we would probably be at least 5-1.
I was thinking last night during the game out of these qbs. Who would you rather have.
Fitz
Rogers
Shapen.
honestly I would take. Shapen.
Fitz great runner but terrible passer
Rogers good passer under 15 yards terrible feet/statue and couldn't throw the deep ball well.
Shapen can throw the deep ball and can run if needed while not fitz level. He can hit short and mid range too. If he had the line that Will had or the line that fitz had he would look much better
Fitz
Rogers
Shapen.
honestly I would take. Shapen.
Fitz great runner but terrible passer
Rogers good passer under 15 yards terrible feet/statue and couldn't throw the deep ball well.
Shapen can throw the deep ball and can run if needed while not fitz level. He can hit short and mid range too. If he had the line that Will had or the line that fitz had he would look much better
Shapen is one of the most accurate QB's MSU has ever had. He's also able to run, just not able to break tackles. Put him on Alabama's team and he would be awesome.
I like to reframe the question to how each would look in the NFL, or at a blue blood. Because that’s setting a floor of offensive line play. And assuming that, the answer is Shapen.
The running ability is diminished in the NFL. The opposite is true in college and on down to peewee because talent differential is there.
Pro sports really does have a development issue. There are things that work there that don’t at lower levels. But you also can’t expect lower levels to not want to win. For example, if Tom Brady and Michael Vick went to the same high school, 100% of coaches peg Vick their QB1……for obvious reasons. But the higher you go, it’s Brady’s skill set that wins.
Same is kinda true for baseball and basketball in different ways.
Pretty much what I said towards the top of this thread. Just more verbose. But hard agree.
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Primetime's son is the most accurate QB in NCAA CFB history. Will Rodgers is also high son that list.
A QB that will thrive with a good oline and overwhelming talent all over the field is not what we need at this moment. We need a QB who can elude the rush, has speed and can put pressure on the D with his legs. In order words, we need a Chris Relf type.