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[engie]

Yeah, actually it does. Not all wins are created equal. Those wins say more about the state of those teams than the state of ours. Much more impressive to beat a team that isn't having it's worst season in memory. When we do that, we'll have seen real progress.

Florida was worse the following season. But let's not cloud this argument with factual information like Coach is doing. Some of you essentially want the positives without first erasing the negatives for us.

Fact: We last won in the Swamp in 1965. We lost 16 in a row to Florida there.
Of those losses: 7-5 Florida team in 1988 17-0, 6-6 Florida team in 1987 38-3, 4-7 Florida team in 1978 34-0, 5-5-1 Florida team in 1972 28-13. Good thing we'd always managed to beat them when they were down though -- surely we should expect it and give a damn when it happens**

Fact: We last beat Georgia in 1974. We lost 9 in a row to them.
Of those losses: 6-6 Georgia team in 1989 23-6 and 5-6 Georgia team in 1996 38-19. Good thing we always take advantage of that one too though**

Fact: Out of our 5 major "negative" SEC streaks, Mullen has erased 3 of them. What remains? Beat LSU and win in the state of Arkansas.

Some of the delusion of "real progress" on here is ridiculous. Really. A bunch of you follow incessant circular football logic and/or constantly move the goalposts. That's a pretty large piece of the problem with our fanbase and also why the program tends to never truly moves forward. Basically, half the people in this thread are craving the days of Jackie. They want the "signature wins". Everyone conveniently forget about ALL the terrible signature losses that came with those wins. Do I need to run through them again?

It is not ridiculous to want us to upset a team at some point here. It's ridiculous to judge where we are as a program based on that criteria though... Wins are wins. We've gone our entire history as a program without them. Now everyone is getting discouraged by wanting to go too far too fast.

 

[Coach34]

Florida was worse the following season. But let's not cloud this argument with factual information like Coach is doing. Some of you essentially want the positives without first erasing the negatives for us.

Fact: We last won in the Swamp in 1965. We lost 16 in a row to Florida there.
Of those losses: 7-5 Florida team in 1988 17-0, 6-6 Florida team in 1987 38-3, 4-7 Florida team in 1978 34-0, 5-5-1 Florida team in 1972 28-13. Good thing we'd always managed to beat them when they were down though -- surely we should expect it and give a damn when it happens**

Fact: We last beat Georgia in 1974. We lost 9 in a row to them.
Of those losses: 6-6 Georgia team in 1989 23-6 and 5-6 Georgia team in 1996 38-19. Good thing we always take advantage of that one too though**

Fact: Out of our 5 major "negative" SEC streaks, Mullen has erased 3 of them. What remains? Beat LSU and win in the state of Arkansas.

Some of the delusion of "real progress" on here is ridiculous. Really. A bunch of you follow incessant circular football logic and/or constantly move the goalposts. That's a pretty large piece of the problem with our fanbase and also why the program tends to never truly moves forward. Basically, half the people in this thread are craving the days of Jackie. They want the "signature wins". Everyone conveniently forget about ALL the terrible signature losses that came with those wins. Do I need to run through them again?

It is not ridiculous to want us to upset a team at some point here. It's ridiculous to judge where we are as a program based on that criteria though... Wins are wins. We've gone our entire history as a program without them. Now everyone is getting discouraged by wanting to go too far too fast.

nothing more needs to be said after that

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAryFIuRxmQ

 

[CadaverDawg]

Guess I was confused by your 1000 or so posts of the same tired take.

If thinking Russell is good is "having his junk in my mouth" then I guess anyone with two eyes and brain has felated #17. Quit parroting 34. He and I disagreed about Russell back on the old board and he says that **** because I was right.

Keep parroting him and your keys are going to end up on the roof of Taco Bell.

You're an awful poster.

This has been my stance for a while now. I don't give two ***** what 34 says. And since you know I've been saying this for a while, it only proves that you aren't reading the reasons why...instead you're just jumping to the defense of Tyler, even though nobody is attacking Tyler.

Read what I'm saying, tool bag.... I said Dak makes more sense because of our scheme. Tyler is a really good QB, unfortunately for us he is the opposite of what we need in a QB from a scheme standpoint. A huge part of our offense revolves around a QB that can run. Russell can't. It's not his fault that we don't have an OC that can call plays for a passing offense.

So once again, get Tyler's balls off your chin and quit acting like I'm bashing Tyler. All you're doing is showing how obsessed you are with him. I, on the other hand, am looking at what's best for MSU football.

 

[CadaverDawg]

Florida was worse the following season. But let's not cloud this argument with factual information like Coach is doing. Some of you essentially want the positives without first erasing the negatives for us.

Fact: We last won in the Swamp in 1965. We lost 16 in a row to Florida there.
Of those losses: 7-5 Florida team in 1988 17-0, 6-6 Florida team in 1987 38-3, 4-7 Florida team in 1978 34-0, 5-5-1 Florida team in 1972 28-13. Good thing we'd always managed to beat them when they were down though -- surely we should expect it and give a damn when it happens**

Fact: We last beat Georgia in 1974. We lost 9 in a row to them.
Of those losses: 6-6 Georgia team in 1989 23-6 and 5-6 Georgia team in 1996 38-19. Good thing we always take advantage of that one too though**

Fact: Out of our 5 major "negative" SEC streaks, Mullen has erased 3 of them. What remains? Beat LSU and win in the state of Arkansas.

Some of the delusion of "real progress" on here is ridiculous. Really. A bunch of you follow incessant circular football logic and/or constantly move the goalposts. That's a pretty large piece of the problem with our fanbase and also why the program tends to never truly moves forward. Basically, half the people in this thread are craving the days of Jackie. They want the "signature wins". Everyone conveniently forget about ALL the terrible signature losses that came with those wins. Do I need to run through them again?

It is not ridiculous to want us to upset a team at some point here. It's ridiculous to judge where we are as a program based on that criteria though... Wins are wins. We've gone our entire history as a program without them. Now everyone is getting discouraged by wanting to go too far too fast.

Exactly. Now stfu, Cookie

 

[Koldfire]

Florida was worse the following season. But let's not cloud this argument with factual information like Coach is doing. Some of you essentially want the positives without first erasing the negatives for us.

Fact: We last won in the Swamp in 1965. We lost 16 in a row to Florida there.
Of those losses: 7-5 Florida team in 1988 17-0, 6-6 Florida team in 1987 38-3, 4-7 Florida team in 1978 34-0, 5-5-1 Florida team in 1972 28-13. Good thing we'd always managed to beat them when they were down though -- surely we should expect it and give a damn when it happens**

Fact: We last beat Georgia in 1974. We lost 9 in a row to them.
Of those losses: 6-6 Georgia team in 1989 23-6 and 5-6 Georgia team in 1996 38-19. Good thing we always take advantage of that one too though**

Fact: Out of our 5 major "negative" SEC streaks, Mullen has erased 3 of them. What remains? Beat LSU and win in the state of Arkansas.

Some of the delusion of "real progress" on here is ridiculous. Really. A bunch of you follow incessant circular football logic and/or constantly move the goalposts. That's a pretty large piece of the problem with our fanbase and also why the program tends to never truly moves forward. Basically, half the people in this thread are craving the days of Jackie. They want the "signature wins". Everyone conveniently forget about ALL the terrible signature losses that came with those wins. Do I need to run through them again?

It is not ridiculous to want us to upset a team at some point here. It's ridiculous to judge where we are as a program based on that criteria though... Wins are wins. We've gone our entire history as a program without them. Now everyone is getting discouraged by wanting to go too far too fast.

Yep. It took FL 16 years to cycle back to the bottom with us. It only took Georgia 9 years.

 

[CookieMonster.sixpack]

Take the names off the jerseys and look at the records of the teams we beat. We're hanging our hat on wins over an 8-5 team and a 6-7 team.

No one's saying we can't be excited to win. Hell, I'm excited every time we win, even it's Alcorn State. But I'm also not fooling myself into thinking that we made some statement because we eked out a victory against a power that is down.

PS, please explain to Tulane, Hawaii, Boise St., TCU, & Utah that wins are wins. I'm sure they'd love to hear that.

 

[CookieMonster.sixpack]

You're an awful poster.

That cut deep.**

I said Dak makes more sense because of our scheme. Tyler is a really good QB, unfortunately for us he is the opposite of what we need in a QB from a scheme standpoint. A huge part of our offense revolves around a QB that can run. Russell can't. It's not his fault that we don't have an OC that can call plays for a passing offense.

Really? Is that what you are saying? I hadn't heard that before.**

 

[CookieMonster.sixpack]

There's Cad...

Exactly. Now stfu, Cookie

Riding the coattails of another poster. Sixpack's official sidekick. Now run along while the adults talk.

 

[engie]

Take the names off the jerseys and look at the records of the teams we beat. We're hanging our hat on wins over an 8-5 team and a 6-7 team.

Which I've shown, conclusively, that we've lost to CONSISTENTLY over the years. Beating those teams is taking a step forward whether you want to admit it to yourself or not. Wtf was actually expected up front of Mullen's tenure at MSU? Because he's met even the MOST optimistic of initial expectations. Hence how the goalposts are now moving.

No one's saying we can't be excited to win. Hell, I'm excited every time we win, even it's Alcorn State. But I'm also not fooling myself into thinking that we made some statement because we eked out a victory against a power that is down.

We beat teams we hadn't beat in many, many chances -- even after several times of them being down. How good they are at the time is immaterial. Does everyone here put an asterisk on Jackie's SECw title because Alabama sucked and LSU was a steaming pile of ****? By your logic, they should(even though that 4-7 LSU team still skull 17'd us that year).

PS, please explain to Tulane, Hawaii, Boise St., TCU, & Utah that wins are wins. I'm sure they'd love to hear that.

They play in the SEC west now? WTF has Tulane and Hawaii won anyway? What has Utah done in the Pac12? What has TCU done in the Big12? Keep those goalposts a'movin though...

 

[CookieMonster.sixpack]

Which I've shown, conclusively, that we've lost to CONSISTENTLY over the years. Beating those teams is taking a step forward whether you want to admit it to yourself or not.

Remove history. Just look at facts. We beat an 8-5 team. We beat a 6-7 team. What happened in 1988 is irrelevant. With the way rosters turn over in CFB, what happened two years ago is almost completely irrelevant.

Wtf was actually expected up front of Mullen's tenure at MSU? Because he's met even the MOST optimistic of initial expectations. Hence how the goalposts are now moving.

Quit reading into what I'm saying. I'm proud of what Mullen has accomplished. We were dog crap before he got here. He exceeded my expectations by winning five in '09, and even more so since then. But my expectations were pretty low after Croom. At the same time, he doesn't really have a great win. I don't know why it's sixpack sacrilege to say that?!? You can be impressed with his tenure and be critical. This isn't the lake for 17's sake.

They play in the SEC west now? WTF has Tulane and Hawaii won anyway? What has Utah done in the Pac12? What has TCU done in the Big12? Keep those goalposts a'movin though...

Everyone of them has gone undefeated in the BCS era and been shut out of the title game. Why? Because all wins are not created equal.