Should sales of alcoholic drinks be allowed at SEC/UK sporting events?

BlueintheBrew

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You are very eloquent in writing your paragraphs and I was just thinking the very same thing about you and the news outlets you are brainwashed by, through you whole deceptive oratory, you have never once addressed why you have a right to disarm me. Chicago and Illinois have some of the strictest gun laws in the nation you can look that up for yourself, I as a Kentuckian do not have the right to carry my guns into Illinois. I would love to see you go to the gangs and tell them to disarm themselves it doesn't matter where they get them.
Haha, I don't watch the news. I read the news, preferably from international sources that aren't influenced by our politics.

Fyi, NYC, LA, San Francisco all have stricter gun laws that Chicago. All have less crime than Chicago. Why do you think that is?

I am not trying to disarm you. As I have said, I am find with people owning hunting rifles and revolver style guns. You can hunt and defend with those. I am fine with people being armed with other weapons as well. You have yet to provide any valid reason or evidence to support why you need anything more. Should we arm our citizens with nukes, tanks, grenades and so forth?

Lmao, why can't you take your gun to Illinois? Can you please cite the law that prevents it?

We arrest and prosecute gang members for drug activity, violence, rape, murder and so forth. Are we not able to take their guns at this time? We will likely never get them all, but we can greatly reduce the gun violence in this country and severely limit the ability to acquire them going forward. Using your logic we should not to bother fighting the drug war either, since the gangs already have them and all.
 

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Haha, I don't watch the news. I read the news, preferably from international sources that aren't influenced by our politics.

Fyi, NYC, LA, San Francisco all have stricter gun laws that Chicago. All have less crime than Chicago. Why do you think that is?

I am not trying to disarm you. As I have said, I am find with people owning hunting rifles and revolver style guns. You can hunt and defend with those. I am fine with people being armed with other weapons as well. You have yet to provide any valid reason or evidence to support why you need anything more. Should we arm our citizens with nukes, tanks, grenades and so forth?

Lmao, why can't you take your gun to Illinois? Can you please cite the law that prevents it?

We arrest and prosecute gang members for drug activity, violence, rape, murder and so forth. Are we not able to take their guns at this time? We will likely never get them all, but we can greatly reduce the gun violence in this country and severely limit the ability to acquire them going forward. Using your logic we should not to bother fighting the drug war either, since the gangs already have them and all.
Haha, I don't watch the news. I read the news, preferably from international sources that aren't influenced by our politics.

Fyi, NYC, LA, San Francisco all have stricter gun laws that Chicago. All have less crime than Chicago. Why do you think that is?

I am not trying to disarm you. As I have said, I am find with people owning hunting rifles and revolver style guns. You can hunt and defend with those. I am fine with people being armed with other weapons as well. You have yet to provide any valid reason or evidence to support why you need anything more. Should we arm our citizens with nukes, tanks, grenades and so forth?

Lmao, why can't you take your gun to Illinois? Can you please cite the law that prevents it?

We arrest and prosecute gang members for drug activity, violence, rape, murder and so forth. Are we not able to take their guns at this time? We will likely never get them all, but we can greatly reduce the gun violence in this country and severely limit the ability to acquire them going forward. Using your logic we should not to bother fighting the drug war either, since the gangs already have them and all.
Did you not tell me the all I needed was a bow and arrow? Do you remember that or am I wrong? Look for yourself Kentucky or any other states Concealed Carry is not allowed in Illinois, I did look that up. I also looked up Mexicos gun laws, heres what it said " Mexico has extremely restrictive laws regarding gun possession. There is only one gun store in the entire country, and it takes months of paperwork to have a CHANCE at purchasing one legally". You really talk in circles to push your agenda. All major cities are heavy in gun violence, most if not all have restrictive gun laws, it also is very obvious you dont keep very close tabs on anything that doesn't fit your line of thought.
I dont know why you have brought drugs into the picture, I am a person who is not even on prescription medicine and I certainly wish all drugs were eradicated from this country. Keep digging you might strike gold yet, I will keep my guns you keep your bow and arrow.
 
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Expect to see a lot more of this...


 

BlueintheBrew

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Did you not tell me the all I needed was a bow and arrow? Do you remember that or am I wrong? Look for yourself Kentucky or any other states Concealed Carry is not allowed in Illinois, I did look that up. I also looked up Mexicos gun laws, heres what it said " Mexico has extremely restrictive laws regarding gun possession. There is only one gun store in the entire country, and it takes months of paperwork to have a CHANCE at purchasing one legally". You really talk in circles to push your agenda. All major cities are heavy in gun violence, most if not all have restrictive gun laws, it also is very obvious you dont keep very close tabs on anything that doesn't fit your line of thought.
I dont know why you have brought drugs into the picture, I am a person who is not even on prescription medicine and I certainly wish all drugs were eradicated from this country. Keep digging you might strike gold yet, I will keep my guns you keep your bow and arrow.
LMAO, I think if you go back and read really slowly and try actually comprehending the words written, you will find I said you can use a bow and arrow for hunting. You made claims about people killing each other with bows and arrows and I replied that I bet any person you ask that has been a victim of gun violence would much prefer their attacker utilize a bow and arrow instead. Would you not?

I have looked, nowhere do I see this law. Since you have found it can you please cite is for us. I would be really interested to see it.

I told you multiple times they have much stricter gun laws. You claimed it was illegal to own a gun there. It is not! It isn't even as hard as you are making it out to be. There is only 1 central body overseen by the government that issues permits and purchases are required from the same entity. They limit the applications they process per day which increases the waiting time. As it should be. However, you fail to register the fact that US gun laws are what is causing the gun violence in Mexico. They come here to purchase there guns, then smuggle them back into Mexico. Our gun laws are literally causing gun violence in other countries.

What circles am I talking in?

All of the cities with stricter gun laws aside from Chicago are seeing record declines in gun related homicides and injuries. Why do you think that is?

Drugs were used a comparison to your flawed logic. You think since gang members have guns we can't really take them, yet, they also traffic high volumes of drugs and you think that should be eradicated. And, somehow, you don't see the irony or flaw in your own logic.

Again, can you please provide any evidence supporting your claims? I have yet to see one referenced article or law to support anything you have claimed. You have even had to admit you were wrong on gun ownership in Mexico and Illinois. You have labeled Chicago gun-free which is not at all accurate. Now you are saying all major cities have more gun violence and restrictive gun laws. Not all major cities have more gun violence per capita than smaller cities, nor do most or all have restrictive gun ownership laws. Can you please provide proof of this?
 

TBCat

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LMAO, I think if you go back and read really slowly and try actually comprehending the words written, you will find I said you can use a bow and arrow for hunting. You made claims about people killing each other with bows and arrows and I replied that I bet any person you ask that has been a victim of gun violence would much prefer their attacker utilize a bow and arrow instead. Would you not?

I have looked, nowhere do I see this law. Since you have found it can you please cite is for us. I would be really interested to see it.

I told you multiple times they have much stricter gun laws. You claimed it was illegal to own a gun there. It is not! It isn't even as hard as you are making it out to be. There is only 1 central body overseen by the government that issues permits and purchases are required from the same entity. They limit the applications they process per day which increases the waiting time. As it should be. However, you fail to register the fact that US gun laws are what is causing the gun violence in Mexico. They come here to purchase there guns, then smuggle them back into Mexico. Our gun laws are literally causing gun violence in other countries.

What circles am I talking in?

All of the cities with stricter gun laws aside from Chicago are seeing record declines in gun related homicides and injuries. Why do you think that is?

Drugs were used a comparison to your flawed logic. You think since gang members have guns we can't really take them, yet, they also traffic high volumes of drugs and you think that should be eradicated. And, somehow, you don't see the irony or flaw in your own logic.

Again, can you please provide any evidence supporting your claims? I have yet to see one referenced article or law to support anything you have claimed. You have even had to admit you were wrong on gun ownership in Mexico and Illinois. You have labeled Chicago gun-free which is not at all accurate. Now you are saying all major cities have more gun violence and restrictive gun laws. Not all major cities have more gun violence per capita than smaller cities, nor do most or all have restrictive gun ownership laws. Can you please provide proof of this?
First off almost all your stats on guns and how we are causing gun violence is completely wrong. I won't go into detail here because this is a sports topic but it is very wrong. Second your war on guns is misguided. They exist and you can't uninvent them. Stricter gun laws will never be effective. They just won't. There are stats out there that prove this if you look them up. We most certainly are not causing violence in other countries. This just isn't true.

Also your earlier note about how the constitution is really old and they just didn't know about things back then is completely misguided. Does that also me we should ditch free speech because Thomas Jefferson clearly didn't envision Howard Stern? Of course not. Besides you should read the writings of our founding fathers sometime instead of a Think Progress blog on the subject. You would be shocked how many things that are going on right now they actually did think of and there are built in protections for dealing with them. Our founding fathers did a much more thorough job than given credit for. They weren't just a bunch of old dudes 200 years ago who are out of touch with today's issues.

Besides guns are not constitutional for hunting purposes but mainly for defense as well as restricting government's powers. If you read it carefully all of your rights are nothing more than drawing boundaries for the government. Your rights don't give you things as much as they restrict what government can do.

Finally let's take this topic to the general board and get back on the subject.
 
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Wow! that’s crazy, i thought they were like $9. i’ve only been to gabp once, and although nice, i don’t care to ever go again, mainly because of the price of concessions.
I spent a lot of time at riverfront stadium in the 70’s and could afford to go as often as i liked and eat and drink as much as i liked, even as a working stiff with a house payment and other expense that goes with being a newlywed with baby on the way.
It’s no wonder they rarely fill the place nowadays.
The only plus is that you can bring in outside food and plastic bottle drinks.
 

UKUGA

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Most professional sporting events have become pretty family unfriendly, and alcohol is a big contributor to this.

Major League Baseball still markets well to family and even with alcohol present, seems to have remained a pretty relaxed, family-friendly environment.
 
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BlueintheBrew

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First off almost all your stats on guns and how we are causing gun violence is completely wrong. I won't go into detail here because this is a sports topic but it is very wrong. Second your war on guns is misguided. They exist and you can't uninvent them. Stricter gun laws will never be effective. They just won't. There are stats out there that prove this if you look them up. We most certainly are not causing violence in other countries. This just isn't true.

Also your earlier note about how the constitution is really old and they just didn't know about things back then is completely misguided. Does that also me we should ditch free speech because Thomas Jefferson clearly didn't envision Howard Stern? Of course not. Besides you should read the writings of our founding fathers sometime instead of a Think Progress blog on the subject. You would be shocked how many things that are going on right now they actually did think of and there are built in protections for dealing with them. Our founding fathers did a much more thorough job than given credit for. They weren't just a bunch of old dudes 200 years ago who are out of touch with today's issues.

Besides guns are not constitutional for hunting purposes but mainly for defense as well as restricting government's powers. If you read it carefully all of your rights are nothing more than drawing boundaries for the government. Your rights don't give you things as much as they restrict what government can do.

Finally let's take this topic to the general board and get back on the subject.
Lol, again if you could provide any stats or proof of evidence you would. Why is it countries with stricter gun laws have less gun violence. Particularly those that border other countries with similar laws and restrictions. Why is it cities with stricter gun laws in the US aside from Chicago are seeing record lows in gun violence and gun related deaths?

Slavery use to be legal and now it is outlawed and eradicated in the US. That goes against your belief the same can't happen with guns.

over 60% of the guns in Mexico are coming from the US illegally. How do you not understand that our gun laws are contributing to the impact of gun violence in other countries when the can come here and easily acquire them?

Free speech is only applies to the government and I have yet to see anyone get killed with words? Have you seen anyone get there head blown off by someone shouting speech?

The founding fathers implemented the 2nd amendment because the citizens of the country were the militia at the time. They never anticipated the level of weaponry we have accessible today. They also wrote a constitution that allowed slavery and prevented half the country from voting because of skin color or gender. Obviously they and the constitution weren't perfect, which is why it has been amended at least 17 times.

Hell, they literally had to rewrite 12 years after the original articles of confederation.

Do you honestly think your guns are going to protect you from the government? The same government that has nuclear bombs, tanks, drones, chemical warfare and other weaponry that far exceeds yours? :joy: Good luck!
 

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Alcohol can bring out the worst in people. With that said, from my experiences, Small sample size, 6 Raiders games (3@Tenn 1@CINN 1@MIA 1@OAK) I've only witnessed 2 fights(MIA) and 1 chest to chest love fest(TENN). Had a nice F the Chiefs chant in Oakland. Every stadium had a nice setup for kids to play games before the actual game. Been to well over 100 UK football games...never witnessed a fight. Have never had a game ruined by a loud obnoxious drunk.
 
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TBCat

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Lol, again if you could provide any stats or proof of evidence you would. Why is it countries with stricter gun laws have less gun violence. Particularly those that border other countries with similar laws and restrictions. Why is it cities with stricter gun laws in the US aside from Chicago are seeing record lows in gun violence and gun related deaths?

Slavery use to be legal and now it is outlawed and eradicated in the US. That goes against your belief the same can't happen with guns.

over 60% of the guns in Mexico are coming from the US illegally. How do you not understand that our gun laws are contributing to the impact of gun violence in other countries when the can come here and easily acquire them?

Free speech is only applies to the government and I have yet to see anyone get killed with words? Have you seen anyone get there head blown off by someone shouting speech?

The founding fathers implemented the 2nd amendment because the citizens of the country were the militia at the time. They never anticipated the level of weaponry we have accessible today. They also wrote a constitution that allowed slavery and prevented half the country from voting because of skin color or gender. Obviously they and the constitution weren't perfect, which is why it has been amended at least 17 times.

Hell, they literally had to rewrite 12 years after the original articles of confederation.

Do you honestly think your guns are going to protect you from the government? The same government that has nuclear bombs, tanks, drones, chemical warfare and other weaponry that far exceeds yours? :joy: Good luck!
The found fathers did not implement the first amendment for the militia. The government had an army as well at the time. That is a widely used misinterpretation. An intentional one at that. The reason it is in there is because they just got finished over throwing a corrupt government and wanted to ensure that it could be done again if needed. It was most certainly intended to be a power check on the central government as are all other rights.

The government has nuclear weapons but it's illegal to use them on US citizens. It's also illegal to use tanks, stealth bombers and all other weapons of war. The army can not be used on our own people. The intent was not only to enable citizens were protected from government but also that government was restricted from using the military.
 

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The found fathers did not implement the first amendment for the militia. The government had an army as well at the time. That is a widely used misinterpretation. An intentional one at that. The reason it is in there is because they just got finished over throwing a corrupt government and wanted to ensure that it could be done again if needed. It was most certainly intended to be a power check on the central government as are all other rights.

The government has nuclear weapons but it's illegal to use them on US citizens. It's also illegal to use tanks, stealth bombers and all other weapons of war. The army can not be used on our own people. The intent was not only to enable citizens were protected from government but also that government was restricted from using the military.
OMFG, well no, the first amendemant had nothing to do with militia or gun rights. That would be the second. But yes, as you even just referenced in your own words, it was built to ensure citizens, who were the militia arm of the country at the time, had a right to own firearms for defense of the country.

2nd amendment: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

It literally says so in the amendment. How are you going to spin that?

Um, congress and the courts are used as check and balances on the goverment, not guns. Take your guns and take up arms against the US and see how that works for you.

The government breaks laws against its citizens everyday. The NSA, CIA, FBI and so forth have all trampled over the 4th amendment with illegal practices exposed by whistle blowers. You honestly think the US goverment is going to worry about laws? They would be killing the citizens, I highly doubt they would give a **** about the laws protecting them at that point? Do you honestly beleive that if the citizens take up arms against the government that they won't defend thenselves and eliminate the threat?

You do realize the US military has been utilized to monitor and control US citizens countless times? Anytime there is a situation state and local goverments can't control, the federal goverment sends in troops and they are permitted to use violence against citizens if neccessary.
 

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Maybe it’s because I’ve never drank, but I don’t get the reason why there has to be alcohol at every event. Just enjoy the game
 

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Anyone that must have alcohol to enjoy or even enhance the enjoyment of an event has a problem. It amazes me how some can't sit for three hours enjoying an event without consuming an intoxicant. I don't have a problem with drinking, but do it at home where others won't be impacted by the consequences of your drinking.

Since people MUST drink, if they choose to sell inside the stadium they should work hard to keep people from bringing their own inside the stadium.... even if they want to pat people down.

And, by the way...If I'm the parent of a kid that gets hit by a driver that has been drinking alcohol sold by the university....guess where I'm going to aim my law suit.
 

theoledog

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The rube fan is already at UK games... Increasing in number each and every year... The dippers/chewers who spit in their cups and the sloppy drinkers are a growing number.... Just the thing for your kids to see and be around. Grown men wanting to impress, throw footballs that hit cars and others in the face... Others have to have those two parking spots for tent and car because they're special.... So might as well sell it... Maybe some of those doofasses will move indoors.....
 

dgtatu01

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I really don't care, but football games and alcoholic beverages in particular lead to a not family friendly atmosphere. Just go to a Uof L game and a UK game and compare the behavior. If you think that is just U of L fans, then go to any NFL game and you will see the same behavior. That said I don't go to many games anyway due to the cost and always being at 7 at night with a long drive home so it won't affect me either way.
 

vhcat70

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There is already alcohol in certain club/suite levels at games; don't you find it pretty hypocritical they can have it there, but not for the general public?

And if you have ever been to a SEC football game, you know people are getting alcohol into the games.

My allowing sales at games, you could curtail binge drinking in the parking lots, for people having "one last one" before they go in. Plus it could help with attendance (to a very small amount).
Bingo. Why some are already allowed to have but the peons aren't is hypocritical. Don't see the opponents demonstrating against/complaining about those sales.

Nothing stops the maintaining of alcohol-free sections.
 
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Bingo. Why some are already allowed to have but the peons aren't is hypocritical. Don't see the opponents demonstrating against/complaining about those sales.

Nothing stops the maintaining of alcohol-free sections.
I like this idea. Alcohol free sections. Your point that some already have it is a good one too.
 
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UKUGA

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Can hear the same or worse at your local Kroger or walmart.

You can. Especially if you live in trashy places.

Thankfully, there are still decent people in this world who don’t find it honorable to use vulgar language in the presence of others, especially children (and dare I say, women).
 

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OMFG, well no, the first amendemant had nothing to do with militia or gun rights. That would be the second. But yes, as you even just referenced in your own words, it was built to ensure citizens, who were the militia arm of the country at the time, had a right to own firearms for defense of the country.

2nd amendment: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

It literally says so in the amendment. How are you going to spin that?

Um, congress and the courts are used as check and balances on the goverment, not guns. Take your guns and take up arms against the US and see how that works for you.

The government breaks laws against its citizens everyday. The NSA, CIA, FBI and so forth have all trampled over the 4th amendment with illegal practices exposed by whistle blowers. You honestly think the US goverment is going to worry about laws? They would be killing the citizens, I highly doubt they would give a **** about the laws protecting them at that point? Do you honestly beleive that if the citizens take up arms against the government that they won't defend thenselves and eliminate the threat?

You do realize the US military has been utilized to monitor and control US citizens countless times? Anytime there is a situation state and local goverments can't control, the federal goverment sends in troops and they are permitted to use violence against citizens if neccessary.

Do you ever look in the mirror and see an idiot looking back at you,,?
 
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Do you honestly think your guns are going to protect you from the government? The same government that has nuclear bombs, tanks, drones, chemical warfare and other weaponry that far exceeds yours? :joy: Good luck!

Do you honestly think that if the government turns against the people, the military will take the government's side?
 
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what could be worse than some inebriated, drunk getting in his car & leaving a sporting event & hitting and killing a 4 or 5 year old kid.
Living in a society that requires it's people to soccumb to every risk elimination whim and want.
 
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Should alcohol be allowed? Absolutely, it should.

Do I want it to be allowed? Oddly, I do not. I don’t want the hassle of all the extra drunks at football games. Football worries me a bit. Harder to get an uber. Can’t walk back to a hotel. Sometimes out in the hot weather. More likely booze will be passed to someone inebriated. There absolutely will be more issues at football games.

I like hitting my tailgate booze and going on the wagon for the game. That’s just me though and I’m mature enough to ‘get it’.

I’ll tell you this. If I had a teenage or college age kid in Lexington, I’d make sure they don’t drive around anywhere at all on a game night the first couple years. There’s going to be some definite fallout.
 

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Do you honestly think that if the government turns against the people, the military will take the government's side?
Do you honestly think that our government has not already turned against it's own people? What more of your essential liberties do you need for them to curtail and how? What other foreign people do you need them to favor over you, your progeny, and how? What more of our lands, yours and mine, do you need for them to expose and contaminate with every filth and scum from every corner of the globe before you see that, indeed, our government has turned against it's own people, and is determined to do so more.

Once they served this country and her people, until a culture of guilt, a corrupted moral code stole their senses. They no longer believe it is right to protect the prosperity and liberties of a mere "you", a mere "United States", her mere "Constitution" when their corrupted sense of existence tells them it it only moral to serve the best interests of the entire globe.

We are not being blind-sided. It happens daily, hourly even, if not by the minute and second. This thread and discussion is a perfect example of how the population is conditioned to just go along with it. Yes, there should be beer served at a ball game, of course there should be. But the population has been conditioned to believe it always moral to never forgo an opportunity to eliminate a risk. Submit we must to some form of "control" then. No matter how small the possibility of a very bad wreck, one drunk, one child . . . that possibility is there, maximize the control by eliminating participation, by eliminating an option, by eliminating a risk. And the fact that normally only 1 or 2 persons out of many hundreds is ever able to see the compounding conditions, the looming precedent upon precedent, is another reason why a government can turn against it's own people without much notice. Like a dead body may lay on the pulpit, and the preacher may continue through a Proverb sermon with no altered vibe to his congregation. He raises his bloodied hands to bid farewell. All thoughts turn to dinner. Did momma put something in the crock pot this morning? It's just like that.
 

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Wait, so you called a person from Mexico who said it was illegal to own a gun in Mexico, but then when prompted said it was legal? And it's not virtually impossible, it is just harder because they have stricter gun laws. However, since the US has much looser gun laws they are just coming here to get them. 70% of the guns in Mexico are from the US. Not only are we causing gun violence in out country at record rates, we are now aiding it in others.

In the initial stages it was because they were surrendering themselves, which guns would not have prevented. However, overtime of learning the tortures they endured, many homes and villages were destroyed by heavy artillery fire in search of Jews and others. Again, guns would not have really aided.

Most thieves aren't going to rob you while you are home unless they are stealing a package off a porch or something, and most aren't trying to harm or kill you. Are you really going to draw a gun and shut them over that? If they aren't threatening you it would be illegal to shoot them in most places. Also, you are pretty likely to know most home intruders as they will often have a comfort level with that home. If so, they likely already know you have a gun and either don't care or have planned for it. If someone wanted to break into your house with the intent to harm or kill you, I would highly suspect they would be catching you off guard and unprepared (if not I would question why you would be expecting a violent home break-in or attack). It would take several seconds to react from the initial shock and attempt to retrieve your firearm, thus not leaving much time. But hey, maybe you are John Rambo or something. If so, I am fine with you having a gun with the military experience and all.

There is violence happening, but you were citing governments and dictators attacking citizens like Hitler. Violence has existed long before guns and will continue after. Guns do nothing but increase the ease and ability for it to happen. In the beheading cases you are talking about, people are abducted as survivors from attacks. Guns would not aid them against the weaponry they are facing in the attacks. Christians are being attacked in Churches when it is least expected, a couple of of which have had armed guards present. Guns would not have aided these people. Guns were an still are only allowed as checked, unless you are an official. They would not have been of aid then. The attackers didn't even have guns.

You have zero ability to defend yourself now. If someone wants to kill you or attack you, they will; regardless of whether you own a gun or not. More than likely you will never know it's coming to even be prepared with your gun. Do you keep it locked and loaded on you at all times? Are you so prepared you can draw, aim and fire and take out your assaulter within 2 or 3 seconds? That is all the time they need to have fired multiple shots at you. How many times in your life have you had to defend yourself? How many times have you used your firearm to defend yourself? Are you only confident in defending yourself with a firearm? Do you not have the confidence to beat the **** out of someone, hit them with a bat?

You can, people did it for centuries before guns existed. It's what wars were fought and won with.

They will have different weapons that people have far more of a chance against. Much less rash decisions and mistakes made. I would much prefer to fight someone with their fist, a knife or so forth than a gun. If I was being shot at by someone, I would much rather it be a bow and arrow than a gun. How about you?

Chicago is not gun-free. Can you please provide proof of this? Chicago and Illinois in general has stricter gun laws such as longer wait periods and required permits. Most people just go to Indian or Chicago has also been one of the most violent cities in the country for decades. Diminishing the amount of guns in the city would likely reduce the gun violence. That is jst common sense.

More than 60 percent of new guns used in Chicago gang-related crimes and 31.6 percent used in non-gang-related crimes between 2009 and 2013 were bought in other states. Indiana was a particularly heavy supplier, providing nearly one-third of the gang guns and nearly one-fifth of the non-gang guns. This is why we need comprehensive federal gun reform and not individual state laws.

No the constitution was written almost 250 years ago when things were very different. You could own slaves , women could not vote and were essentially property and most of the country as we know it did not even exist when it was written. You had a musket that could fir 1 bullet a time before needing several seconds to reload. Somethings have to be updated from time to time. The constitution and gun laws are 1 of them. Or do you just ignore all the amendments that came after?

No, I am trying to keep you safe from guns and yourself. You have yet to provide any valid reason for needing a gun. I don't mind you having a musket or even a revolver, but I don't think non-military or law enforcement citizens needs to have them. There is no need other than a false sense of security you can sadly only seem to get from a firearm.

Most people tell me they feel quite comfortable around me. Wonder why that is?

They've had too much to drink, smoke or just too bored to object.