Should the GOP just let Obamacare collapse or try and fix it?

[WVPATX]

One of the few remaining Obamacare Co-ops is raising prices by up to 40%. Wow. Only 5, some say 4 of the 23 original co-ops remain.

This is one of the precious few Obamacare co-ops still in existence, mind you, as the large majority of them have imploded under their own weight -- despite billions of dollars in taxpayer funding under the law. And as we've seen across the country, year after year, and across a wide variety of coverage platforms, premiums are heading up for New Mexicans who receive their coverage through this co-op. Those increases will range from high single digits to 40 percent spikes in 2018. Via the Free Beacon and Kaiser Health News:

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

One of the few remaining Obamacare Co-ops is raising prices by up to 40%. Wow. Only 5, some say 4 of the 23 original co-ops remain.

This is one of the precious few Obamacare co-ops still in existence, mind you, as the large majority of them have imploded under their own weight -- despite billions of dollars in taxpayer funding under the law. And as we've seen across the country, year after year, and across a wide variety of coverage platforms, premiums are heading up for New Mexicans who receive their coverage through this co-op. Those increases will range from high single digits to 40 percent spikes in 2018. Via the Free Beacon and Kaiser Health News:

I've said all along. No need to do anything. Just let it collapse under it's own absurdity. Tried it, it failed, back to business as usual and trying to control costs. GOP should in no way try to salvage it, repeal and replace it, etc. It will just lead to the GOP being the donkeys. Pun intended.

 

[WVPATX]

I've said all along. No need to do anything. Just let it collapse under it's own absurdity. Tried it, it failed, back to business as usual and trying to control costs. GOP should in no way try to salvage it, repeal and replace it, etc. It will just lead to the GOP being the donkeys. Pun intended.

I think you're right. Let it collapse. It is already in its death spiral. Obama and the Dems are on the hook. Let them hang themselves.

 

[Popeer]

I think you're right. Let it collapse. It is already in its death spiral. Obama and the Dems are on the hook. Let them hang themselves.

Obama is no longer president, so what exactly is he "on the hook" for? A bunch of Donnie Boy's Know-Nothing voters in places like West Virginia and Kentucky who were only able to get insurance through the ACA are going to be mighty surprised and unhappy when they no longer have insurance. Then what?

 

[moe]

I think you're right. Let it collapse. It is already in its death spiral. Obama and the Dems are on the hook. Let them hang themselves.

Obama is on vacation, leave a message at the beep.

 

[moe]

Obama is no longer president, so what exactly is he "on the hook" for? A bunch of Donnie Boy's Know-Nothing voters in places like West Virginia and Kentucky who were only able to get insurance through the ACA are going to be mighty surprised and unhappy when they no longer have insurance. Then what?

The Repubs are the dog that caught the bus/car or whatever. The party of no must now come up with a plan and it's not so easy. Trump has shoved this one the furthest into the future.

 

[WVPATX]

Obama is no longer president, so what exactly is he "on the hook" for? A bunch of Donnie Boy's Know-Nothing voters in places like West Virginia and Kentucky who were only able to get insurance through the ACA are going to be mighty surprised and unhappy when they no longer have insurance. Then what?

This is his signature domestic achievement. He owns this. It is not called Obamacare without reason. Let it fail. Let the American people see the results of Dem actions (No Republican voted for this monstrosity).

 

[WVPATX]

The Repubs are the dog that caught the bus/car or whatever. The party of no must now come up with a plan and it's not so easy. Trump has shoved this one the furthest into the future.

You're probably right, they will repeal and replace. I think that is a flawed strategy. Let Obamacare fail on its own. Let the people see what the Dems have wrought. It would be glorious.

 

[moe]

This is his signature domestic achievement. He owns this. It is not called Obamacare without reason. Let it fail. Let the American people see the results of Dem actions (No Republican voted for this monstrosity).

Sorry but if it fails (millions lose their insurance who had it under the ACA) it's on Trump whether you like it or not. Upset people at town halls or in the street will be asking Trump what he's going to do about it, not BO. It's insurance for everyone! It's Trumpcare now my fine fellow, good luck!

 

[WVPATX]

Sorry but if it fails (millions lose their insurance who had it under the ACA) it's on Trump whether you like it or not. Upset people at town halls or in the street will be asking Trump what he's going to do about it, not BO. It's insurance for everyone! It's Trumpcare now my fine fellow, good luck!

If Trump lets the law stand, it's on Obama. The ACA is a Dem deal. Everyone knows it. I would let it stand. Go into its inevitable death spiral. Die. Then step in to save American healthcare. Be the hero. Obama the goat. Love it.

 

[moe]

If Trump lets the law stand, it's on Obama. The ACA is a Dem deal. Everyone knows it. I would let it stand. Go into its inevitable death spiral. Die. Then step in to save American healthcare. Be the hero. Obama the goat. Love it.

You're out of touch with reality. If "do nothing" was a logical choice in this one, you'd be a genius but you're not. The reality of this situation is a little more complicated, read up on it.

 

[WVPATX]

You're out of touch with reality. If "do nothing" was a logical choice in this one, you'd be a genius but you're not. The reality of this situation is a little more complicated, read up on it.

Actually, I have read up on it. Are you admitting that Obamacare was fatally flawed and thus in need of repair? If it doesn't need repair, then doing nothing is an obvious choice, right?

And many GOP members are on record as saying the best strategy is to let Obamacare fail and then step in to fix things.

I agree with them. Let it fail. The Dems own it. The people know the Dems own it. Then you'd have their support for big time changes.

 

[mneilmont]

If Trump lets the law stand, it's on Obama. The ACA is a Dem deal. Everyone knows it. I would let it stand. Go into its inevitable death spiral. Die. Then step in to save American healthcare. Be the hero. Obama the goat. Love it.

The Republicans have ultimately written the check that their *** could not cash. Yelled too long that they had a better plan. Nothing can happen that will keep Repubs from being the culprit. 50-60 years down the road, the media will be telling of the wonderful plan the democrats had in place to provide coverage for all. You will never hear of the original intent to provide coverage for 40 million uninsured, at lower cost. Nor, will you eve r hear that we never got below 30 million without insurance at any time.

You will never hear about the system being totally upset just to get the incremental 10 million new coverage, and cost never decreased. We Republicans had to do something and unless a workable system is offered, the Republicans are going to be credited with the ending product. If we just let Obamacare die, those 10 million recently newly insured will return to the uninsured ranks. That leaves us with 30 million who desire to be uninsured plus 10 million who want insurance paid by someone else. For the sake of the party, I do hope the Republicans can come up with a better plan because they are going to get a lot of negative praise for the insurance program the country has.

 

[mneilmont]

Actually, I have read up on it. Are you admitting that Obamacare was fatally flawed and thus in need of repair? If it doesn't need repair, then doing nothing is an obvious choice, right?

And many GOP members are on record as saying the best strategy is to let Obamacare fail and then step in to fix things.

I agree with them. Let it fail. The Dems own it. The people know the Dems own it. Then you'd have their support for big time changes.

Hope the media will be as generous as you are in their analysis of history of insurance for America.

 

[WVPATX]

The Republicans have ultimately written the check that their *** could not cash. Yelled too long that they had a better plan. Nothing can happen that will keep Repubs from being the culprit. 50-60 years down the road, the media will be telling of the wonderful plan the democrats had in place to provide coverage for all. You will never hear of the original intent to provide coverage for 40 million uninsured, at lower cost. Nor, will you eve r hear that we never got below 30 million without insurance at any time.

You will never hear about the system being totally upset just to get the incremental 10 million new coverage, and cost never decreased. We Republicans had to do something and unless a workable system is offered, the Republicans are going to be credited with the ending product. If we just let Obamacare die, those 10 million recently newly insured will return to the uninsured ranks. That leaves us with 30 million who desire to be uninsured plus 10 million who want insurance paid by someone else. For the sake of the party, I do hope the Republicans can come up with a better plan because they are going to get a lot of negative praise for the insurance program the country has.

Disagree. Once Obamacare fails, then step in with a new plan that will fix the problems. Be the hero. Obamacare is dying. Let it die a natural death. Then whatever the GOP does has to be better in the eyes of the American people. Obamacare is the law of the land. Dems passed it. They own it.

 

[mneilmont]

Disagree. Once Obamacare fails, then step in with a new plan that will fix the problems. Be the hero. Obamacare is dying. Let it die a natural death. Then whatever the GOP does has to be better in the eyes of the American people. Obamacare is the law of the land. Dems passed it. They own it.

Do you really think there is such a plan available? I think the best shape insurance plans was or will be in the future, was before Obamacare came into being. I think it is such a screw-up that it is beyond repair. Some intelligent people were upset because a few dollars were added to our policies to underwrite ER users who had no coverage. We would have been better off to let govt pick up that tab and increase or establish a tax to fund those without coverage. In essence, that is what happened anyway. But instead of paying for usage, Obamacare gave us a guaranteed monthly premium to pay.

 

[mneilmont]

Dems passed it. They own it.

Repubs are letting it die and replacing it with our own program. That replacement program is going to be the only thing that survives, and the Repubs are going to own it.

 

[moe]

Disagree. Once Obamacare fails, then step in with a new plan that will fix the problems. Be the hero. Obamacare is dying. Let it die a natural death. Then whatever the GOP does has to be better in the eyes of the American people. Obamacare is the law of the land. Dems passed it. They own it.

and that's why you're not in charge. If you don't think that think that there will be severe fallout (really bad press for the prez) when 20 million Americans lose their health insurance and there's no replacement (part or whole), then you're not the know-it-all that you claim to be. You can't just defund it and let it fail and then try to think of some replacement. The Dems handed you all a **** sandwich on this one, it's just the way it is and Trump and the congressional Repubs know it and you just won't admit it. The people that lose their insurance will be way, way louder than those who are happy that it would be gone or at least parts of it.

 

[dave]

Sorry but if it fails (millions lose their insurance who had it under the ACA) it's on Trump whether you like it or not. Upset people at town halls or in the street will be asking Trump what he's going to do about it, not BO. It's insurance for everyone! It's Trumpcare now my fine fellow, good luck!

LOL!!! Bless your heart moe.

 

[Mntneer]

Obama is no longer president, so what exactly is he "on the hook" for? A bunch of Donnie Boy's Know-Nothing voters in places like West Virginia and Kentucky who were only able to get insurance through the ACA are going to be mighty surprised and unhappy when they no longer have insurance. Then what?

Uh.... the pick up the phone... "Mr. Insurance Agent... I need some quotes on family health care policies." "Sure thing Mr. Family Man."

It's incredible the sheer madness being shown over the end of the ACA.

As if millions of policies are going to be dropped mid-year and as if insurance companies won't go back to doing business the way they did before the ACA.

The biggest impact on some families when it comes to the ACA isn't the exchanges.... it's the subsidies.

 

[TarHeelEer]

Sorry but if it fails it's on Trump

Obamacare is on Trump? What are you smoking?

 

[moe]

Obamacare is on Trump? What are you smoking?

It's Trumpcare now, my bad.

 

[WVPATX]

Repubs are letting it die and replacing it with our own program. That replacement program is going to be the only thing that survives, and the Repubs are going to own it.

One big difference. Obamacare is not yet dead. The Dems will claim how great it is along with the media even though they are lying through their teeth. Let it die. Then the media can't provide cover any longer. Once it dies and people are rightfully worried, pass a bill to remedy it. It won't be perfect, but it will get much better. This is the only way to get something done and not get the blame, imo.

 

[WVPATX]

LOL!!! Bless your heart moe.

He simply does not get it, not surprising. Obamacare slowly collapses. When it does, those getting subsidies will be impacted. Continue those subsidies for insurance until the new program is in place. No one loses coverage. For those without subsidies, focus on more competition. Sell insurance across state lines. Initiate health savings accounts. Go on TV and tell Americans you won't lose your plans despite the Dems best efforts. The media can't cover anymore. The cat is out of the bag.

Through competition in the private market, work to bring down costs for those with and without subsidies. Get rid of mandate. The kids will love it. If the subsidies are large, blame it on the Dems and the need to fix what they broke.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

and that's why you're not in charge. If you don't think that think that there will be severe fallout (really bad press for the prez) when 20 million Americans lose their health insurance and there's no replacement (part or whole), then you're not the know-it-all that you claim to be. You can't just defund it and let it fail and then try to think of some replacement. The Dems handed you all a **** sandwich on this one, it's just the way it is and Trump and the congressional Repubs know it and you just won't admit it. The people that lose their insurance will be way, way louder than those who are happy that it would be gone or at least parts of it.

Actually, you can let it die. You don't have to repeal it. You just have a plan to pick up in its place when it collapses. He has time to work this one out. Let it play out, let rates skyrocket as forecasted, just repeat over and over, we are working a comprehensive plan to fix the democrats abysmal and failed attempt at legislating something unilaterally.

Here is the true ***** though. Unless the Gov't takes it over completely, it's never going to work. This isn't one of those things you can run a partial system. You either have to be all in or all out and by all out, you will still need to step in and regulate costs. I've come around on this. Everyone should have health care. People should take the appropriate steps to set themselves up and make sound decisions. They don't. For a long time, I felt they should suffer the consequences, but that's just not reality. Just take it over when Obamacare fails and save healthcare for the masses.

 

[PriddyBoy]

Keep Obamacare in addition to it's replacement. Those protesting to keep Obamacare can stay on Obamacare provided they stay locked into Obamacare for 2 years. Good luck, here's to your health.[cheers]