shsdawg disagrees with the SEC coaches
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firsttime I've been here today other than onan Iphone for 5 minutes. I haven't read the article but I assume I'll disagree since it's about basketball and 34 linked it. We are not a talented team. We have one player I consider agood young all round talented player. We have two more who are very talented on one end of the court and maybe average at best on the other end.We have another gifted player with no talent for using his gifts. The othere are role players at best. Everybody thought Jarvis Varnado was talented too? Was he? By the way, have any of you ever heard of coach speak? </p>
can have all the physical abilities in the world. However, if they aren't willing to work hard and bust their ***, it won't matter.
What about the rest of the all century team? Have we had four (or less) "talented" players in the history of MSU?
tal·ent? ?[tal-uhnt]
noun
1.
a special natural ability or aptitude: a talent for drawing.
2.
a capacity for achievement or success; ability: young men of talent.
3.
a talented person: The cast includes many of the theater's major talents.
4.
a group of persons with special ability: an exhibition of watercolors by the local talent.
5.
Movies and Television . professional actors collectively, especially star performers.
Not that you'll acknowledge the incorrect nature of your term usage at this point in time, since this horse has already been beaten to death!
Jarvis Varnado had ONE truly above average aspect of basketball "talent" and that was blocking shots. Outside of that, he arrived an average d1 "talent", that worked his butt off for 4 years and "OVERACHIEVED" into a VERY GOOD d1 player. In "talent" alone, he was never on the same PLANET as our two current post players, Sidney and Moultrie. "Gifted" and "talented" are the SAME THING!
The correct word in the place your using "talent" is "Achievement" and the synonyms thereof...
noun
1.
a special natural ability or aptitude: a talent for drawing.
2.
a capacity for achievement or success; ability: young men of talent.
3.
a talented person: The cast includes many of the theater's major talents.
4.
a group of persons with special ability: an exhibition of watercolors by the local talent.
5.
Movies and Television . professional actors collectively, especially star performers.
Not that you'll acknowledge the incorrect nature of your term usage at this point in time, since this horse has already been beaten to death!
Jarvis Varnado had ONE truly above average aspect of basketball "talent" and that was blocking shots. Outside of that, he arrived an average d1 "talent", that worked his butt off for 4 years and "OVERACHIEVED" into a VERY GOOD d1 player. In "talent" alone, he was never on the same PLANET as our two current post players, Sidney and Moultrie. "Gifted" and "talented" are the SAME THING!
The correct word in the place your using "talent" is "Achievement" and the synonyms thereof...
is the ability toput the gifts you are given to use. If you don't have that one the others don't matter. I have never made any secretof the fact that my definition of talent is not the conventional one. I agree abot Jarvis. He was a gifted shot blocker. He was avearge at the rest.He DID have the talent for using what he had.
Untalented:
Darryl Wilson
Lawrence Roberts
Timmy Bowers
Winsome Frazier
Ben Hansbrough
Jarvis Vanardo
Talented:
Mark Madsen
Brian Scalabrine
Hasheem Thabeet
Shelden Williams
Darryl Wilson
Lawrence Roberts
Timmy Bowers
Winsome Frazier
Ben Hansbrough
Jarvis Vanardo
Talented:
Mark Madsen
Brian Scalabrine
Hasheem Thabeet
Shelden Williams
is the more apt word for how your using "talent". Overachievement, Underachievement, Achievement. Achievement is the living up to one's natural ability or talent. Overachievement is outplaying your natural talent. Underachievement is not living up to it.
As individuals:
Jarvis overachieved.
Moultrie has slightly overachieved.
Bost has achieved.
Hood is on course for achievement.
Sidney has thusfar drastically underachieved.
As a cumulative team, in no season have any of them ever overachieved relative to expectations(based on their "talent" level coming into school).
As individuals:
Jarvis overachieved.
Moultrie has slightly overachieved.
Bost has achieved.
Hood is on course for achievement.
Sidney has thusfar drastically underachieved.
As a cumulative team, in no season have any of them ever overachieved relative to expectations(based on their "talent" level coming into school).
Not using the gifts you have been given does not negate the fact that you have the gifts in the first place. The question was never "Do we have players that effectively use their talents?" To frame it that way is just missing the point.
If you give me $500, but I don't know what to buy with it, that doesn't change the fact that I still have $500.</p>
If you give me $500, but I don't know what to buy with it, that doesn't change the fact that I still have $500.</p>
How are those first four doing in the NBA?
And just to reconfirm this, you are saying the Big East Player of the Year and the NCAA's career leader in block shots were not talented.
And just to reconfirm this, you are saying the Big East Player of the Year and the NCAA's career leader in block shots were not talented.
But for some reason our players aren't using their talent and playing to the best of their abilities..shsdawg said:
shsdawg said:
People said earlier in the year this team could have 4 NBA draft picks<span style="text-decoration:underline"></span> - and just because you are drafted, in no way means you will be an NBA player.<span style="text-decoration:underline"></span>
Sidney has obviously played his way out of that- but we still have 3 NBA draft picks on our basketball team. Whether or not they actually make it in the NBA- nobody can be sure, and hasnt said as much
The guy AVERAGED a DOUBLE DOUBLE in addition to leading the entire country in blocked shots.
How is that not all around talented?
How is that not all around talented?
the NBA referance is from the post that started this that said we had 4 NBA players on this team. As far as MSU was concerned they were talented. The Big East player of the year was not that talented of a player, not here. The shot blocker WAS a talented shot blocker. That doesn't exactly mean he was a talented basketball player. What is the ultimate measure of talent? Is it what they do in practiceor in one facet of a gameor is it what they do overallto afect the outcome of games? I think the latter. </p>
By mine I would rate us at two talented players spread over three people (let's see if you can figure THAT out). By what you and the others are using I would say we have four. Of those four one uses it consistently on both ends of the floor, but is young. Two use it on one end consistentlyand sporadically on theother. One rarely uses it at all. To me even by yours that isn't a team LOADED with talent. </p>
(AFTER youbacktracked on the original statement.) now to me that means we have 4 NBA players. Even you admit that isn't true anymore. How many do you now think will actually really play in the NBA? Just a game or eight doesn't count. I say one, possibly two, maybe. None are sure bets. </p>
shsdawg said:
I have said 4 NBA draft PICKS since the start- never any backtracking. Sidney had NBA talent- thats obvious- but he doesnt have NBA desire and has worked his way out of the draft. So now we will have 3 NBA draft picks from this team. Hood would get drafted this year if he came out- somebody would use their 2nd round pick to just get him in and develop him.
And if they play 1 game- that's playing in the NBA. If you go skydiving, and you jump out of the plane- and your chute doesnt open, killing you as you hit the ground- you still went skydiving- even if it was just once.
No, but you are a first class toolbag douchenozzle that deserves a ban hammer along with Goat for the 2nd consecutive idiotic post in 2 days.
I guess the party line here is that we are a very talented basketball team and if you disagree with the party line you should be banned, at least according to you. Where is that a regular occurance? By the way, go back and look at the start of this one. i was "invited" to this little debate. I had let it drop the last few days, at least on my part. </p>