Shumpert is in Beast mode.
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He was running downhill for sure. I think he trucked 4 guys tonight. He still needs to learn how to bounce off once he puts down the lumber ,but he looked fast and powerful tonight. He will get touches against Mississippi next week.
#55 for Vandy was running his mouth all emotional and jumping around. The very next play Shump ran right through him. Super physical play. He loves contact.
Shump obviously has a long way to go until he's "the guy," but wasn't the spin that Freeze didn't want him?
Their running game is just terrible. A blind man could see that coming.
We were pretty solid against the run until late in the 3rd when the defense wore out.
We won't win because we won't score. I'll be surprised if we get to 10. It will take a meltdown by your offense turnover wise to keep us in the game.
We won't win because we won't score. I'll be surprised if we get to 10. It will take a meltdown by your offense turnover wise to keep us in the game.
Which is somewhat my point. Freeze hasn't had a back worthy of starting in the SEC since he's been there and hasn't even attempted to get one. Instead he's sold the farm on screen passes, which either goes great or ends horribly. Eventually it'll get sniffed out.
He just doesn't seem like a dynamic guy to me. Very Nutt-esk.
All of our top 4 backs had multiple SEC offers and one was even committed to Auburn. Our OG play has been awful. Morris simply isn't the same since the ACL tear and Bell wasn't supposed be an SEC starter. They're just not athletic. We're in year 3 of what was supposed to be a big rebuilding project and the O-line is the #1 spot. Losing Golson was a bigger blow than we thought. Thankfully Patterson is an EE. I imagine he and Taylor will be starting next year and I expect more production in the running game.
Hey, I'm not arguing that your O-line is bad. But the RB corps is also bad. How many of those offers were to play RB? All of the guys he's brought in with 1 exception are sub-6' sub-200lbs.
You can mask a bad line (to an extent) with a bruiser. Why not find one?
Outside of being able to get you in the living room of high profile athletes houses, do you think Freeze is a good coach?
Not saying I haven't ever questioned Mullen's play calling and clock management. But Mullen has never had as much "talent" as Ole Miss does this year. And when that talent wasn't there it's been pretty bad.
You can mask a bad line (to an extent) with a bruiser. Why not find one?
Outside of being able to get you in the living room of high profile athletes houses, do you think Freeze is a good coach?
Not saying I haven't ever questioned Mullen's play calling and clock management. But Mullen has never had as much "talent" as Ole Miss does this year. And when that talent wasn't there it's been pretty bad.
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You and many other Rebels seems to be trying to convince yourselves that because you signed players that had the option of going to other schools, then you are winning half of the battle, so coaching must be to blame for your issues. You fail to realize that these offers reported are word of mouth, and many times are distorted based on the recruiting service reporting the information. I believe the bottom line is that Ole Miss is not getting the best players as much as you and others would like to believe. Hugh Freeze has won everywhere he has been, I promise you he is not the problem. The day you move away from following Scout, Rivals and 247sports will be the day you truly begin to see sports for what they are. The recruiting sites are a business, nothing more. None of us have any clue about a player's offer except the very few truly elite players.
Every coach makes bonehead play calls and sometimes the gameplan is wrong. Hugh Freeze is absolutely a good coach and really good program manager. When you consider the absolute dumpster fire he inherited and what he has accomplished, I don't see how you can say otherwise. Mullen may be a good comparison, time will tell. I've been on this board for a couple of years now and I can recall many, many moments where your fanbase didn't have a twinkle in their eye when talking about Mullen.
8/9-4/5 isn't a bad season. Freeze has turned things around so quickly that it's easy for our fanbase to forget that we were a rebuilding project and I fully believe that project is on the right course.
As for the big bruiser back, well, yes that it possible but our RBs are routinely getting popped either at or behind the LOS. That's on the line and the play-calling. We've had more success bouncing Walton outside and I fail to see why we don't use that more consistently.
8/9-4/5 isn't a bad season. Freeze has turned things around so quickly that it's easy for our fanbase to forget that we were a rebuilding project and I fully believe that project is on the right course.
As for the big bruiser back, well, yes that it possible but our RBs are routinely getting popped either at or behind the LOS. That's on the line and the play-calling. We've had more success bouncing Walton outside and I fail to see why we don't use that more consistently.
I don't subscribe to a recruiting site nor did I blame the coaches. I actually blame our interior offensive line.
He's still coaching like it's highschool. His offense was a one year hit.
If you think freshman OL are your solution in the SEC it will be a long year.
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How the 17 can any rebel claim you are in the middle of a mass rebuilding project when EVERY YEAR all of you jump up and down and claim recruiting supremacy? Just more of the same ********.
I would say he's in Mississippi and apparently doesn't have a good rb in year 3 and doesn't appear to have a viable backup qb although that's much more understandable. His side of the ball has also been pretty bad this year and it's not clear depth in the OL is really getting better, although like qb, OL is so tough to recruit and is such a long term project that it's a little more forgivable.
I thought freeze was was a good coach and maybe he is. You could have made as many or more criticisms of Mullen really into year 4 or 5. But he seems like much less of a good bet than he did last year.
The funny thing is -- Freeze's trend is virtually identical to Mullen's. He's had a few better victories, sprinked with a few worse losses, but overall it's close to the same. And now, for the first time since 2009, they will deal with a significant senior class that graduates -- and what sure hasn't inspired confidence in a future at the QB position.
It's "fair" and "logical" to assess it as an OL failure based on Nutt's recruiting. One they assured us at length wouldn't happen, but a failure nonetheless. Recruiting at the position was neglected for virtually 3 years for them. I've been calling this situation with no agreement from them since the day Freeze was hired, the dust settled, and I started checking the roster and noticing practically no freshmen or sophomores. The shitshow Hev had in 2011 was the result of 2 neglected OL classes of Croom's, which was the primary limitation that prevented us from reaching our loftier goals that year. Of course OM has hit on JUCO better than we did on the front end -- and their OL isn't quite as bad as ours was in 2011.
But the thing is -- they didn't allow us this same "fairness" when assessing our situation at the time. None of them came here with a "logical" viewpoint on all of that. It was a constant barrage of propaganda bs...
Crazy similar. If I were wearing UM colored glasses, I would say Freeze is in better shape because it's clear he knows how to recruit, he just has to shift his focus to OL and RB, that the lack of a good backup QB option is just a function of having a 3 year starter, as it can be hard to convince a blue chip prospect to come in and sit the bench so it's natural that their best backup option would be young and inexperienced, and that they have an advantage b/c they have a Defensive Coordinator that is past the point where he is a viable head coaching option, so they won't have to deal with the transition that MSU has and will have to deal with. Also, Freeze's offense has been pretty good without an SEC sized running back and with a pretty mediocre QB, even if he was a good fit for the system.
For MSU coloered glasses, I would say Mullen had lots of OL in the pipeline at this point even if he and Hevesy hadn't yet proven their ability to identify and develop talent (does Freeze? No clue b/c I obviously don't follow that closely). Mullen had not had to reach on character guys at this point (basically have Cox who I had no clue had any issues until this week and then Sidoway that stayed clean until he graduated and whoever he got caught with, but at least nobody with twitter accounts praising the benefits of marijuana to my knowledge). He spent his first few years 'stuck' with a solid, high character QB who didnt' fit his system. Mullen's system was proven against the SEC.
I'm not saying Ole Miss wasn't in bad shape when he took over, but the problems around Ole Miss weren't entirely talent related, so I don't subscribe to the dumpster fire narrative.
This "year 3 of a rebuild" is entirely based on comparing Freeze and Mullen. Two totally different situations. Gus took his team to the title game in year 1. Where's that comparison? He took over a dumpster fire too.
I think Freeze is a highly functioning Coach O, which is fitting considering he learned under him. He's either going to go on to have a Les Miles type career or he's going to end up making $1m a year to recruit skill players at UT or somewhere with deep pockets.
I don't think he's a mastermind coach, though. Again, I've been furious with Mullen just as much as anyone on here, but the biggest difference is we were getting frustrated while we're starting Chris 17'n Relf and an NFL-style QB held over from the previous staff.