Sidney case to court
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They must have gone to ACORN for tax advice. I am sure that they knew some way to hide that income.
i thought the race thing was a little overboard until I thought to myself... "what if renardo was a white guy, living in LA, paying rent for a million dollar house?" i'm not so sure the NCAA would have pursued him for this long. somebody give me a reason to think otherwise, there are probably some precedents.
Sidney will play this year. Hell you know that they will see nothing wrong with getting perks. The problem is the last thing that I want is our congress getting involved with the NCAA. The next thing they will want to do is redistribute the money evenly so the SWAC gets an equal share.
it sucks, but if my child were being offered a free college education and the experience that Sidney is being offered, I would just turn the bank records and tax returns over. I agree that the NCAA has no authority to demand this, but if they don't have anything to hide, they sure are fighting this tooth and nail.
I did the wrong thing and got my hopes up about Sidney. You'd think that I would've learned by now.
By the way, has anybody ever read Jackson's bio on his firm's website? http://www.thesportsgroup.org/new_page_1.htm
He kind of looks like Sam Cassell:
Donald Maurice Jackson, a former Rhodes Scholarship candidate and collegiate pitcher, is a graduate of Alabama State University and the University of Virginia School of Law. Since his graduation from law school, Jackson has amassed a considerable professional resume and founded one of the more unique and diverse boutique sports firms in the country.
Jackson's academic and professional background include a stint as an intern with a United States Congressman, performing "advance work" for former President George Herbert Walker Bush, appearing on the TODAY SHOW three times in 1992 (offering commentary on the 1992 Presidential Debates), teaching on the university level and representing numerous sports clients in the United States and internationally.
After two years in private practice with firms where he focused on corporate and tax related matters, Jackson established The Sports Group (TSG). Since TSG's establishment, the company's and Jackson's activities in the sports industry have been considerable.
They include the following:
1. Negotiating a contract with the Atlanta Hawks and staging an NBA Exhibition Game in Montgomery, Alabama. The Sports Group co-promoted the event in October, 1996.
2. Representing players in the National Football League, Major League Baseball, National Basketball Association, Canadian Football League, Women's United Soccer Association and two Olympians (including one former 200 Meter Indoor World Champion).
3. Representing a number of clients in National Collegiate Athletic Association Enforcement Staff Investigations;
4. Appearing on behalf of a number of clients in National Collegiate Athletic Association Committee matters;
5. Securing a $350,000.00 fraud verdict on behalf of a former Division One basketball coach against his former Athletic Director;
6. Promoting a number of concert stops for former NBA star and current MoJazz recording star Wayman Tisdale during his 1996 summer concert tour;
7. Representing the entire roster of a National Indoor Football League team after they were "fired" by the owner for demanding "back pay";
8. Representing numerous coaches, athletes, athletic administrators and amateur sports league officials in various legal matters;
9. Representing former McDonald's All American Mario Austin following the NCAA's declaring him ineligible. His eligibility was restored.
10. Representing former McDonald's All American Marvin Stone in connection with NCAA amateurism investigation. His eligibility was restored.
11. Representing former McDonald's All American Michael Williams in connection with NCAA amateurism investigation. His eligibility was restored.
12. Representing former McDonald's All American Jackie Butler in connection with NCAA amateurism investigation.
13. Representing second winningest black college football coach in history and coach with one of the highest winning percentages in Division 1-AA history before the National Collegiate Athletic Association Division One Committee on Infractions in one of the largest infractions cases in history. The coach was cleared of all major infractions.
14. Counseling numerous sports clients on business formation, risk management, and asset protection;
15. Appearing on MSNBC along with several player-clients in connection with National Indoor Football League pay dispute;
16. Been quoted and featured numerous times in national publications on sports law related matters and ongoing cases;
17. Representing client who is believed to have been the first and only professional athlete in United States professional sports history to have been suspended for wearing impermissible sponsor's logo during game competition;
18. Lecturing in various locales on issues related to sports law
19. Being featured in EBONY MAGAZINE twice (50 Leaders of Tomorrow [1992] and one of the Top Bachelors of the Year [2005]), EBONY MAN and Upscale Magazine.
20. Representing former Auburn University Assistant Basketball Coach before the National Collegiate Athletic Association Division One Committee on Infractions in connection with the Auburn University basketball investigation. The coach was cleared of all major infractions.
21. Representing a number of "on-air" personalities and production staffers at local television affiliates and network/cable affiliates around the country.
22. Counseling a number of National Collegiate Athletic Association member institutions in connection with ongoing "diploma mill" investigation.
23. Counseling a number of secondary and preparatory schools in connection with ongoing National Collegiate Athletic Association "diploma mill" investigation.
24. Representing a number of student-athletes in connection with ongoing National Collegiate Athletic Association "diploma mill" investigation.
25. Represented a National Association of Intercollegiate Athletics member institution in connection with several player eligibility appeals.
26. Represented Parade All American Defensive Lineman in NCAA Initial Eligibility Investigation. Player was granted partial waiver with full athletic related financial aid.
27. Represented a number of current and former student-athletes and professional athletes in civil and criminal matters around the country.
I didn't know he had anything to do with Mario Austin.
By the way, has anybody ever read Jackson's bio on his firm's website? http://www.thesportsgroup.org/new_page_1.htm
He kind of looks like Sam Cassell:
Donald Maurice Jackson, a former Rhodes Scholarship candidate and collegiate pitcher, is a graduate of Alabama State University and the University of Virginia School of Law. Since his graduation from law school, Jackson has amassed a considerable professional resume and founded one of the more unique and diverse boutique sports firms in the country.
Jackson's academic and professional background include a stint as an intern with a United States Congressman, performing "advance work" for former President George Herbert Walker Bush, appearing on the TODAY SHOW three times in 1992 (offering commentary on the 1992 Presidential Debates), teaching on the university level and representing numerous sports clients in the United States and internationally.
After two years in private practice with firms where he focused on corporate and tax related matters, Jackson established The Sports Group (TSG). Since TSG's establishment, the company's and Jackson's activities in the sports industry have been considerable.
They include the following:
1. Negotiating a contract with the Atlanta Hawks and staging an NBA Exhibition Game in Montgomery, Alabama. The Sports Group co-promoted the event in October, 1996.
2. Representing players in the National Football League, Major League Baseball, National Basketball Association, Canadian Football League, Women's United Soccer Association and two Olympians (including one former 200 Meter Indoor World Champion).
3. Representing a number of clients in National Collegiate Athletic Association Enforcement Staff Investigations;
4. Appearing on behalf of a number of clients in National Collegiate Athletic Association Committee matters;
5. Securing a $350,000.00 fraud verdict on behalf of a former Division One basketball coach against his former Athletic Director;
6. Promoting a number of concert stops for former NBA star and current MoJazz recording star Wayman Tisdale during his 1996 summer concert tour;
7. Representing the entire roster of a National Indoor Football League team after they were "fired" by the owner for demanding "back pay";
8. Representing numerous coaches, athletes, athletic administrators and amateur sports league officials in various legal matters;
9. Representing former McDonald's All American Mario Austin following the NCAA's declaring him ineligible. His eligibility was restored.
10. Representing former McDonald's All American Marvin Stone in connection with NCAA amateurism investigation. His eligibility was restored.
11. Representing former McDonald's All American Michael Williams in connection with NCAA amateurism investigation. His eligibility was restored.
12. Representing former McDonald's All American Jackie Butler in connection with NCAA amateurism investigation.
13. Representing second winningest black college football coach in history and coach with one of the highest winning percentages in Division 1-AA history before the National Collegiate Athletic Association Division One Committee on Infractions in one of the largest infractions cases in history. The coach was cleared of all major infractions.
14. Counseling numerous sports clients on business formation, risk management, and asset protection;
15. Appearing on MSNBC along with several player-clients in connection with National Indoor Football League pay dispute;
16. Been quoted and featured numerous times in national publications on sports law related matters and ongoing cases;
17. Representing client who is believed to have been the first and only professional athlete in United States professional sports history to have been suspended for wearing impermissible sponsor's logo during game competition;
18. Lecturing in various locales on issues related to sports law
19. Being featured in EBONY MAGAZINE twice (50 Leaders of Tomorrow [1992] and one of the Top Bachelors of the Year [2005]), EBONY MAN and Upscale Magazine.
20. Representing former Auburn University Assistant Basketball Coach before the National Collegiate Athletic Association Division One Committee on Infractions in connection with the Auburn University basketball investigation. The coach was cleared of all major infractions.
21. Representing a number of "on-air" personalities and production staffers at local television affiliates and network/cable affiliates around the country.
22. Counseling a number of National Collegiate Athletic Association member institutions in connection with ongoing "diploma mill" investigation.
23. Counseling a number of secondary and preparatory schools in connection with ongoing National Collegiate Athletic Association "diploma mill" investigation.
24. Representing a number of student-athletes in connection with ongoing National Collegiate Athletic Association "diploma mill" investigation.
25. Represented a National Association of Intercollegiate Athletics member institution in connection with several player eligibility appeals.
26. Represented Parade All American Defensive Lineman in NCAA Initial Eligibility Investigation. Player was granted partial waiver with full athletic related financial aid.
27. Represented a number of current and former student-athletes and professional athletes in civil and criminal matters around the country.
I didn't know he had anything to do with Mario Austin.
A white family living beyond their means would be thoroughly investigated. This is the same organization that won't hold events in S.C. because of a flag. The same organization that practically forces teams to change their names so as not to offend. Believe me, if they can find a white guy to hang out to dry, they will. Just ask Kevin Fant. </p>
If a white kid was getting treated like this would he even have a way out? The white man can't pull the race card every time something gets rough. I don't think it is about race, I think the NCAA knows that the Sidney's did something wrong but cannot place a finger on it. Until they retrieve bank records they won't know. They will never know now because they are fixing to make the NCAA look like a bunch of neo nazi's.</p>
I wonder how spun that statement is. I'd be interested to see what was actually sent to the NCAA and if it actually supports the Sidneys, or if its just bits and pieces of non-incriminating evidence that were sent in for lip-service.
I'd say the only chance Jackson and Sidney have is if somehow the media jumps on the story and takes their side. I doubt the NCAA would cave in, but desperate times call for desperate measures I guess.
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This is just more posturing. This is not "going to court". Congress will not get involved with this. If they did, what are they going to do? Restructure the NCAA? Congress has more than enough on its plate right now. We just need to face the fact that this guy will never play for MSU.
I mean this is basketball, not politics.... Hopefully we can get a court date, and get him cleared to play in time for the UCLA game.
Mr. Jackson is all business, if the glove does not fit, then you must acquit...
Mr. Jackson is all business, if the glove does not fit, then you must acquit...
Sweet baby Jesus. THEY HAVE THE LEGAL AUTHORITY TO REQUEST THE RECORDS. It's just that simple. I might not "agree" that the sky is blue or that Barack Obama is president or that the speed limit on the interstate is 70 mph all the way from Batesville to Jackson, but that doesn't make it not so. This isn't even the issue. It isn't even a close call. The law is clear.615dawg said:
Give it up.
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just think of the NCAA as any other business. that's all they are is a business. If somebody was going to hire me, they have the right to ask for a copy of my transcript and/or diploma. This is like said company asking to see a copy of my degree and me refusing to give them a copy of it. Then i say "well until you produce some evidence that i don't have a degree, i'm not showing it to you". They would just tell me to hit the damn road. it's stupid to even argue this. they are curious to know how a poor family with a limited income afforded a million dollar home. the burden of proof is on the sidneys.
Take off the maroon glasses.
Take off the maroon glasses.
dirty. reporting 35k income and funneling 500k thru your bank accounts, living in a million $ house. not only is sidneys eligiblity an issue, if that gets out in the open, somebody might be going to jail. the irs gets ticky about massive underreporting of income.
if it is ONLY the issue of their "rights" to privacy then you are right. turn them over. it is obvious to everybody they are dirty.
if it is ONLY the issue of their "rights" to privacy then you are right. turn them over. it is obvious to everybody they are dirty.
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He said "[t]he law is clear". I want to know what law he is referring to. I want to see the federal law that allows the NCAA to demand that I give them my grandmother's tax returns. That's all.
I've never had on maroon glasses. I never thought Sidney would be eligible to play. I didn't think Stansbury should have even gotten involved with this situation.
So, until I ask you a question, don't try to help. Just stay in your place and watch. Don't type.
I've never had on maroon glasses. I never thought Sidney would be eligible to play. I didn't think Stansbury should have even gotten involved with this situation.
So, until I ask you a question, don't try to help. Just stay in your place and watch. Don't type.
having any rights, but businesses and organizations do have rights. i'm sure there is no specific law saying the ncaa can do this or that, but just like any bus they do have the right to relevant info in a hire or in admitting someone. its really not that complicated unless you're just trying to make it so. its a perfectly reasonable request and one that while might be irritating, is one that any person IMO would go along with unless they have something to hide.
and i repeat from above.....it ain't JUST about the ncaa eligibilty. if the ncaa suspicions are correct, somebody could go to jail.
and i repeat from above.....it ain't JUST about the ncaa eligibilty. if the ncaa suspicions are correct, somebody could go to jail.
What legal authority is there that says they can't? This is a private entity acting in accordance with its own clearly enumerated (I know, I know, nothing seems clearly enumerated, but trust me, it's written down somewhere) bylaws. The constitutional protections of privacy don't apply to private entities.
The law is clear that the NCAA is a private entity whose membership is voluntary. As a voluntary member of the private organization, each school is required to submit to certain guidelines and requirements. The same is true of the students who wish to play for those schools or to be NCAA athletes.
What is illegal is when a private entity discriminates based upon race or color without making it public that they are discriminating against people based on race or color. In other words, if the lawyer can prove that the NCAA was only enforcing its own bylaws in certain situations in order to prevent people of a certain race or color from entering universities, then he has a shot at getting the bylaws overturned and basically destroying the NCAA. I sincerely doubt this happens, but it is an actual argument based upon law, not just vehement disagreement.
The law is clear that the NCAA is a private entity whose membership is voluntary. As a voluntary member of the private organization, each school is required to submit to certain guidelines and requirements. The same is true of the students who wish to play for those schools or to be NCAA athletes.
What is illegal is when a private entity discriminates based upon race or color without making it public that they are discriminating against people based on race or color. In other words, if the lawyer can prove that the NCAA was only enforcing its own bylaws in certain situations in order to prevent people of a certain race or color from entering universities, then he has a shot at getting the bylaws overturned and basically destroying the NCAA. I sincerely doubt this happens, but it is an actual argument based upon law, not just vehement disagreement.
****. I can sit here and demand them all day long, but that doesn't mean you have to give them to me.
Likewise, Sidney doesn't have to give his records to the NCAA. As a consequence, the NCAA doesn't have to grant him eligibility.
The difference between me demanding records and the NCAA demanding records is that the NCAA can actually do something about it if Sidney doesn't turn them over. Can the NCAA go out and get a warrant then seize Sidney's records? No. But they can require them in order to perform an investigation before they grant him eligibility.
The law is clear. The NCAA is a private organization. In order to participate in that organization you have to play by their rules. If you don't, then they can deny you access to their organization. What is so complicated?
Likewise, Sidney doesn't have to give his records to the NCAA. As a consequence, the NCAA doesn't have to grant him eligibility.
The difference between me demanding records and the NCAA demanding records is that the NCAA can actually do something about it if Sidney doesn't turn them over. Can the NCAA go out and get a warrant then seize Sidney's records? No. But they can require them in order to perform an investigation before they grant him eligibility.
The law is clear. The NCAA is a private organization. In order to participate in that organization you have to play by their rules. If you don't, then they can deny you access to their organization. What is so complicated?
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But, this issue does not concern a natural law or an edict from God.
Again, can you guys provide a law - based upon the United States Constitution - that gives the NCAA the right to demand records and deny entry based upon refusal to provide those records? A law passed by Congress. A Supreme Court case. Something. Anything. Do you have it? Yes or no.
You all keep saying "the law is clear". Show me.
Again, can you guys provide a law - based upon the United States Constitution - that gives the NCAA the right to demand records and deny entry based upon refusal to provide those records? A law passed by Congress. A Supreme Court case. Something. Anything. Do you have it? Yes or no.
You all keep saying "the law is clear". Show me.
The NCAA is not 'just' a private enterprise like any ol' restaurant or company. They are composed of institutions supported with taxpayer dollars. In many ways they are protected from competition by federal law. In particular, the feds let the NBA restrict those under a certain age from being employed based in part on the availability of said 18yos to play college ball. For all of these reasons, unreasonable, albeit legal, demands by the NCAA such as grandparents tax records may cause Congress to reconsider some of the lattitude it has granted the NCAA. trust me, that lattitude (may or may not include anti-trust exemption, idk) is worth way more to the NCAA than Sidney. if it even begins to look like this may start the ball rolling of Congress considering that, then the NCAA will fold immediately (with a suspension to save face, i'm sure) to prevent that. there's any number of ways Congress could derail the NCAA's gravy train. for example, they could decide that since players go unpaid, then they are part-owners of all copyrightable material, ie videos of games, meaning any of them could post/forward/sell full game vids, etc. (far-fetched, but a top-of-the-head example of just one way the NCAA benefits from federal law in a way no typical 'private organization' does).
on typical companies, they sure can not hire someone based on them not providing grandparents tax returns. but if they were dumb enough to spell out that that was the lone reason, they'd be in for a troublesome lawsuit. the way i've heard it explained, is you can hire or fire for no reason, but not for just any reason. there has to be some relevancy to the job. that seems relevant to why sidney's attorney keeps harping on the NCAA not giving a reason for denying eligibility. he seems to be trying to make the case in the media that his denial is based solely on something unreasonable. i should make clear here that the house rental makes it relevant IMO, but the NCAA hasn't pointed to that as its reason as of yet.
on typical companies, they sure can not hire someone based on them not providing grandparents tax returns. but if they were dumb enough to spell out that that was the lone reason, they'd be in for a troublesome lawsuit. the way i've heard it explained, is you can hire or fire for no reason, but not for just any reason. there has to be some relevancy to the job. that seems relevant to why sidney's attorney keeps harping on the NCAA not giving a reason for denying eligibility. he seems to be trying to make the case in the media that his denial is based solely on something unreasonable. i should make clear here that the house rental makes it relevant IMO, but the NCAA hasn't pointed to that as its reason as of yet.