Simple question about global warming

[Original Mountaineer1]

I have seen all these reports/studies on how the coastal areas will flood as the world continues to warm. What I have not seen is a single report that has shown the oceans are actually rising. I would think that if have of Greenland has melted along with huge chucks of polar ice, we would be seeing substantive evidence that the oceans are indeed rising.

Has anyone seen such a report with real statistics vs hypothetical projections?

 

[WhiteTailEER]

I have seen all these reports/studies on how the coastal areas will flood as the world continues to warm. What I have not seen is a single report that has shown the oceans are actually rising. I would think that if have of Greenland has melted along with huge chucks of polar ice, we would be seeing substantive evidence that the oceans are indeed rising.

Has anyone seen such a report with real statistics vs hypothetical projections?

NASA has this pretty well documented.

 

[MountainBill]

NASA is merely spewing the faux science that the administration is telling them to. Where is the ocean level change? From my favorite beach chair location it looks like it did 35 years ago. Algore predicted 10' of rise by now.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

To provide an honest answer to the OP, yes, according to NASA, NOAA and many other scientific organizations, data shows the ocean is rising. However, on average, over the last few years, it has risen about 3.5 mm per year, which equates to about an eighth of an inch per year.

http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/sealevel.html

http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=3256&from=rss_home#.VuMZ9uaTQSI

 

[WhiteTailEER]

NASA is merely spewing the faux science

Yeah ... what have they ever done anyway? What the hell do they know about science?

 

[op2]

Yeah ... what have they ever done anyway? What the hell do they know about science?

They're great at fooling the public though. Believe it or not there are some people out there that think we actually went to the Moon and walked on it. It's amazing how gullible people will fall for anything the government tells them.

 

[PriddyBoy]

I learned about these type of sites at WVU. Ancient moorings are found submerged as well as high above current sea level, indicating large shifts in sea level since we became mariners. Presumably, as a result of retreating and advancing ice during this current ice age.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

I learned about these type of sites at WVU. Ancient moorings are found submerged as well as high above current sea level, indicating large shifts in sea level since we became mariners. Presumably, as a result of retreating and advancing ice during this current ice age.

/Insert "Aliens" meme.

 

[PriddyBoy]

/Insert "Aliens" meme.

LOL! Norse Astronauts.

 

[eerdoc]

To provide an honest answer to the OP, yes, according to NASA, NOAA and many other scientific organizations, data shows the ocean is rising. However, on average, over the last few years, it has risen about 3.5 mm per year, which equates to about an eighth of an inch per year.

http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/sealevel.html

http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=3256&from=rss_home#.VuMZ9uaTQSI

And , I presume, this 'rise' is an average over mountains of data. This average must have an enormous standard deviation. Plus, what is the measuring error for any one measurement? This is not lat/calm water. Does anyone really get their tights in a wad when the 'experts' show rises of 3.5 mm average over the year? I am a very analytical person and I see far too many holes in the argument (as does a whole lot of people far more expert than I) to place a lot of faith and confidence in the argument. Could we be seeing a more political debate and less scientific?

 

[Airport]

I have seen all these reports/studies on how the coastal areas will flood as the world continues to warm. What I have not seen is a single report that has shown the oceans are actually rising. I would think that if have of Greenland has melted along with huge chucks of polar ice, we would be seeing substantive evidence that the oceans are indeed rising.

Has anyone seen such a report with real statistics vs hypothetical projections?

In the 70's the liberals said the earth was going to freezw over. Then, after 20 years of no change, the liberals came up with global warming. In the last 20 years not much has happened so they have changed to climate change or another name for weather. I believe 20,000 years ago, Chicago was under a mile of ice.Too bad we had climate change, it would be an improvement over what Chicago is now.

 

[dave]

And , I presume, this 'rise' is an average over mountains of data. This average must have an enormous standard deviation. Plus, what is the measuring error for any one measurement? This is not lat/calm water. Does anyone really get their tights in a wad when the 'experts' show rises of 3.5 mm average over the year? I am a very analytical person and I see far too many holes in the argument (as does a whole lot of people far more expert than I) to place a lot of faith and confidence in the argument. Could we be seeing a more political debate and less scientific?

I tend to lean this way as well. I would have too see trends and timeframes.

 

[WVUBRU]

NASA is merely spewing the faux science that the administration is telling them to. Where is the ocean level change? From my favorite beach chair location it looks like it did 35 years ago. Algore predicted 10' of rise by now.

Lmao. Classic

 

[Airport]

Lmao. Classic

Have we had ice ages before? Did they melt away? Is warming a little necessarily bad? Cooling off would cause more damage than warming. Nobody has ever asked if warming will help crops grow better? weather changes and if it hadn't there would be no life on earth like we know it. As I said, 20,000 years ago Chicago was under a mile of ice, too bad it melted away.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Lmao. Classic

I know, it's basically the same as when you all complain about Faux News. The sheep some people are.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

Have we had ice ages before? Did they melt away?

The real question you should be asking yourself is "have the ice ages ever came back?" This isn't cyclical, it's going in one direction. Leave the science to the scientists. One thing you are good at is being bigoted toward the less fortunate and African Americans, like a typical republican.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

The real question you should be asking yourself is "have the ice ages ever came back?" This isn't cyclical, it's going in one direction. Leave the science to the scientists. One thing you are good at is being bigoted toward the less fortunate and African Americans, like a typical republican.

Ummmm.

 

[EEReverent]

The real question you should be asking yourself is "have the ice ages ever came back?" This isn't cyclical, it's going in one direction. Leave the science to the scientists. One thing you are good at is being bigoted toward the less fortunate and African Americans, like a typical republican.

LOL.....you be like.....

but not....

 

[bornaneer]

The real question you should be asking yourself is "have the ice ages ever came back?" This isn't cyclical, it's going in one direction. Leave the science to the scientists. One thing you are good at is being bigoted toward the less fortunate and African Americans, like a typical republican.

I agree, lets leave the science to the scientists instead of the politicians. I hope you are aware that 100% of all scientists agree that our planet has a limited life and NOTHING can be done about it. The harsh reality is that this global warming issue is nothing more than political theatrics. The one thing that you are good at is IGNORING the ineptness of political hacks that lead to results like the slaughter going on in our cities and the lead poisoning of residents of Flint Michigan.

 

[Airport]

The real question you should be asking yourself is "have the ice ages ever came back?" This isn't cyclical, it's going in one direction. Leave the science to the scientists. One thing you are good at is being bigoted toward the less fortunate and African Americans, like a typical republican.

First, I have been educated in science. I use evidence based science to discuss treatment for my patients. I'm probably fairly well equipped to read between the lines of ;olitics and political based hysteria that you aren't. The ice in the southern hemisphere is getting thicker, how do you justify that? If it's getting warmer, that area would be too. I beleive in a clean environment. I don't beleive in destroying your economy based on something that Al Gore perpetuates when he flunked out of Southern Sem. I'm not bigoted agianst anybody, you think my assertions that blacks haven't benefited from the war on poverty is wrong. Looks like to me, they have gotten the short end of it by accepting what the dems have been telling them all these years. You're just too dumb to take care of yourself, thus, we need to take care of you.

 

[KTeer]

The satellite data indicates 4mm/year for the last several years. The problem is the satellite measurements have an error of 5mm, hence the problem with the data.
There are numerous islands the have been observed since WW II that have been barely emergent. And guess what, they are still at/near sea level after 50+ years of global warming. Some are only 2 to 3 feet above sea level. When they are drowned U will begin to worry.

 

[dave]

The real question you should be asking yourself is "have the ice ages ever came back?" This isn't cyclical, it's going in one direction. Leave the science to the scientists. One thing you are good at is being bigoted toward the less fortunate and African Americans, like a typical republican.

Bahahahahahahahahahahaha. So much dumb.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

Bahahahahahahahahahahaha. So much dumb.

See what I mean? You out did yourself on that one. So much intelligence to offer. [laughing]

So dave, tell us, is it just a coincidence that the global temperatures have been warming and sea level has been rising at the same time? I'll bet that's what it is. Those idiots at NASA, NOAA and the USGS don't know what they're talking about. [laughing]

 

[dave]

See what I mean? You out did yourself on that one. So much intelligence to offer. [laughing]

So dave, tell us, is it just a coincidence that the global temperatures have been warming and sea level has been rising at the same time? I'll bet that's what it is. Those idiots at NASA, NOAA and the USGS don't know what they're talking about. [laughing]

I wasnt laughing about the temps or the rise in the sea level. I was laughing at your declaration that this is not cyclical but only going in one direction. That is some serious critical thinking there oh intelligent one. Do you even understand what cyclical means? I don't think the people at Nasa Noaa or USGS are idiots. I think people can review data and draw many conclusions. I think there is a lot of valid scepticism of some of their conclusions. I think when people claum they want science to do what science does and then outright deny scepticism than they are either ignorant of the scientific method or they are hypocrites. When liberals make science a political issue they hurt science. Mostly I was just laughing at you because you are a fool. No need for laughing man emojis. Everyone can assume I am mocking you in their own way.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

The satellite data indicates 4mm/year for the last several years. The problem is the satellite measurements have an error of 5mm, hence the problem with the data.
There are numerous islands the have been observed since WW II that have been barely emergent. And guess what, they are still at/near sea level after 50+ years of global warming. Some are only 2 to 3 feet above sea level. When they are drowned U will begin to worry.

But 3.5 mm average rise over the last 20 years equates to 70 mm, which is measurable and which has happened. Yes, you now look like a fool.

 

[dave]

But 3.5 mm average rise over the last 20 years equates to 70 mm, which is measurable and which has happened. Yes, you now look like a fool.

Water levels are up 2.5 inches? Can we live like this much longer?

 

[bornaneer]

Water levels are up 2.5 inches? Can we live like this much longer?

Hell.... the Dutch have lived with it for centuries. And they have NEVER blamed it on global warming......maybe Al needs to jet over and enlighten those poor fools.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

I use evidence based science to discuss treatment for my patients.
The ice in the southern hemisphere is getting thicker, how do you justify that? If it's getting warmer, that area would be too.

When you use evidence based science to discuss treatment for your patients, I hope you don't ignore data and only focus on one data set.

Yes. The ice in the southern hemisphere is getting thicker, but the ice in the northern hemisphere is melting. The ice in the northern hemisphere is melting at a faster pace than the ice in the south is growing meaning globally we are losing ice, not gaining.

 

[Airport]

When you use evidence based science to discuss treatment for your patients, I hope you don't ignore data and only focus on one data set.

Yes. The ice in the southern hemisphere is getting thicker, but the ice in the northern hemisphere is melting. The ice in the northern hemisphere is melting at a faster pace than the ice in the south is growing meaning globally we are losing ice, not gaining.

First, I use data that is proven by science and not thought to be correct. I would like for you to think of this: The earth is 3-5 billion years old. We have 150 years of weather temps that can be termed accurate but that they are subject to false reads due to the fact that the placement of said thermometers have never been moved. They are now located inside city limits and adversely affected by concrete. In other countries, we may have 100 years of accurate weather temps. What do you suppose the ratio of 125 to 4 billion is? Can you make an accurate weather prediction based on that ratio? Are you willing to destroy your economy over something that a lot of climate scientist says isn't happening? By the way, a tenth of a degree increase in the last 20 years is pretty small. Who says that a little warming is a bad thing? I'd rather a little warming than cooling which is what the libs were saying in the 70's. You can't make this stuff up, first we were going to freeze over and when that didn't happen, we were going to boil over. Neither is likely to happen.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

First, I use data that is proven by science and not thought to be correct. I would like for you to think of this: The earth is 3-5 billion years old. We have 150 years of weather temps that can be termed accurate but that they are subject to false reads due to the fact that the placement of said thermometers have never been moved. They are now located inside city limits and adversely affected by concrete. In other countries, we may have 100 years of accurate weather temps. What do you suppose the ratio of 125 to 4 billion is? Can you make an accurate weather prediction based on that ratio? Are you willing to destroy your economy over something that a lot of climate scientist says isn't happening? By the way, a tenth of a degree increase in the last 20 years is pretty small. Who says that a little warming is a bad thing? I'd rather a little warming than cooling which is what the libs were saying in the 70's. You can't make this stuff up, first we were going to freeze over and when that didn't happen, we were going to boil over. Neither is likely to happen.

You didn't address the question about ice in that at all. Change the argument, look at different things. As a man of science, would you do this with anything else that wasn't driven by politics?

 

[Mntneer]

The real question you should be asking yourself is "have the ice ages ever came back?" This isn't cyclical, it's going in one direction. Leave the science to the scientists. One thing you are good at is being bigoted toward the less fortunate and African Americans, like a typical republican.

Yes they have. There have been multiple ice ages.

 

[Airport]

You didn't address the question about ice in that at all. Change the argument, look at different things. As a man of science, would you do this with anything else that wasn't driven by politics?

20,00 years ago, Chicago was under a mile of ice. Is it a good thing that it melted? Many of us conservatives thinks that was the worse thing that happened.. My argument was that we do not have enough temps to make a determination on what is actually going on. I guess that was lost in my analogy. 150 years to 4 billion is like one or two grains of sand on a beach. Can you tell if that beach is eroding or building? I think not. You and I have discussed that I believe in taking care of our planet, I don't believe you destroy your economy over this. All of these regualtions and rules have casued our economy to faulter and the poor suffer the most.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

20,00 years ago, Chicago was under a mile of ice. Is it a good thing that it melted? Many of us conservatives thinks that was the worse thing that happened..

Don't include us in with your nonsense.

 

[Airport]

Don't include us in with your nonsense.

It was a joke. How many on here don't have a sense of humor. You aren't doubting the mile of ice are you?

 

[CAJUNEER_rivals]

The real question you should be asking yourself is "have the ice ages ever came back?" This isn't cyclical, it's going in one direction. Leave the science to the scientists.

Well, thankfully you're here. That way no one else needs an opinion. Unfortunately, you're premises is factually incorrect as is noted above. Also it's "have come" not "have came".

 

[KTeer]

The fact that we are in an interglacial period is irrefutable. we have had seven in the last several million years. They are related to Malinkovich (sp). That is observable science not computer models.

 

[moe]

I have seen all these reports/studies on how the coastal areas will flood as the world continues to warm. What I have not seen is a single report that has shown the oceans are actually rising. I would think that if have of Greenland has melted along with huge chucks of polar ice, we would be seeing substantive evidence that the oceans are indeed rising.

Has anyone seen such a report with real statistics vs hypothetical projections?

http://www.greatbigstory.com/stories/moving-on-to-higher-ground

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

The fact that we are in an interglacial period is irrefutable. we have had seven in the last several million years. They are related to Malinkovich (sp). That is observable science not computer models.

Irrefutable means that it is impossible to disprove or deny. That means that something has actually happened. I'll give you that most scientists believe the earth experiences cooling periods every 40,000 years (approximately) due to the changing amount of the tilting of the earth's axis, however until that happens again, no one can say it's irrefutable. In fact, many scientists now wonder if it will happen or if it does, how much alteration will occur due to greenhouse gases.

Read the link. It is long, but it is a very good read. It references Milankovitch. It will also explain to Airport how we have longer records of temperature data than "150 years". I get a chuckle every time he says that. Someone else in this thread was making light of a rise in sea level of 2.5 inches. That is not a big deal, but if the trend continues, sea level will raise approximately one foot in one hundred years. That would be a big deal.

https://www.aip.org/history/climate/cycles.htm

 

[WhiteTailEER]

20,00 years ago, Chicago was under a mile of ice. Is it a good thing that it melted? Many of us conservatives thinks that was the worse thing that happened.. My argument was that we do not have enough temps to make a determination on what is actually going on. I guess that was lost in my analogy. 150 years to 4 billion is like one or two grains of sand on a beach. Can you tell if that beach is eroding or building? I think not. You and I have discussed that I believe in taking care of our planet, I don't believe you destroy your economy over this. All of these regualtions and rules have casued our economy to faulter and the poor suffer the most.

How do you now Chicago was under ice 20,000 years ago if there's only 100-150 years of temperature data? You aren't suggesting there are other ways to get data are you?

 

[Airport]

How do you now Chicago was under ice 20,000 years ago if there's only 100-150 years of temperature data? You aren't suggesting there are other ways to get data are you?

Yes there's archeology which has deemed that there's no intelligent life located in the Chicago area for the last 100 years.[cheers] Climate change people site temps and ice melting or ignore that ice building in the southern hemisphere. The fact that we've had weather change since the earth was formed seems lost on people. Warming definitely didn't hurt the earth.