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Not telling you how to raise your kids, just saying you need to let it go. I have read many of your posts and clearly you are having a tough time dealing with a bad call by the refs who clearly made a mistake. Time to move on.
You're dealing with unfiltered rage right now. I suggest to let that simmer for a little bit
Don't discount the value of a state title.
I was a middling student, would have been the first moved out of our D made a change. But they did not. I was on the field to win the big game, and something clicked. I could compete with anyone in any arena.
There is something valuable being TAKEN from some average kid.
I was a middling student, would have been the first moved out of our D made a change. But they did not. I was on the field to win the big game, and something clicked. I could compete with anyone in any arena.
There is something valuable being TAKEN from some average kid.
Your response is perfectly reasonable yesterday or earlier today but I ask this: you chose that message to respond to... did you read it?
It is not PNHS' responsibility to do that. This is all on the IHSA. That being said, the response by some of the PNHS fans, parents and players on Twitter has been embarrassing and classless. Tweeting at the Fenwick players and talking smack after "winning" the game like that is sad. Be humble and thank the refs for saving your season. Everyone knows Fenwick had you beat and the refs bailed you out with their incompetence. No need to go on Twitter and rub salt in the wound. If Hitters players were talking smack to Ramblers before the game then coming back at them after yesterday's beat down would have been justified. PHNS coming after Friars players after that is just not cool
Fenwick lost this game because they did not block Plainfield North's field goal attempt in regulation and did not stop them in overtime when they had the chance (actually two chances: on the touchdown and on the 2 point conversion). The Plainfield North players did what they had to do to win the game with the cards they were dealt by the game officials.
This is beyond idiotic. The job of officials is to deal both teams the same cards, or at its base, the same number of cards, which is more applicable in this situation.
You mean they were dealt a wild card under the table? Come on man... don't try and pass this as anything but unjust!
At the very least the IHSA needs to look at its bylaws so something like this doesn't happen again. It would be unfortunate to see something of this nature happen again with no real appeal process.
This is 100% in the IHSA's hands right now. They need to do the right thing regardless of what their bylaws say. Following the letter of the law when they know they are breaking the spirit of the law is morally wrong.
Time to do the right thing, IHSA. Then make the rule change legal to support the precedent. This is a very unique situation which requires a unique and proper response.
If I were Fenwick, I would resume practices this week in hopes of being granted the opportunity to play in Champaign Saturday.
Time to do the right thing, IHSA. Then make the rule change legal to support the precedent. This is a very unique situation which requires a unique and proper response.
If I were Fenwick, I would resume practices this week in hopes of being granted the opportunity to play in Champaign Saturday.
It seems like the IHSA has hidden behind its bylaws to avoid reversing really bad calls by the referees. I respect and appreciate the job the referees do day in and out during the season but they are human and make mistakes. The IHSA on the other hand has fallen back on its bylaws in order to not correct bad calls. The old saying that two wrongs don't make a right is so correct but not to the IHSA. They definitely need to change their by law to allow some type of appeal to teams not dealt with fairly during the game. Appeal/ redress of an unjust decision is the American way but apparently not so with the IHSA,
I know this sounds crazy but coaches should always have a rule book with them. Our old coach used to have the manager have them at all games in the supply kit, just in case something controversial happens.
As educators and administrators Plainfield North could have ended this entire situation. The fault is with the IHSA first, Plainfield second. In this day and age the National eye of media exposure would have made Plainfield heroes. Now...this is going to get ugly.
Guys I'm going to say this once:
Officials can't have a rule book on the field. It would make things look worse.
Officials can't have a rule book on the field. It would make things look worse.
What if this happened in a game you were reffing and the coach had a rule book and showed you the rule? How would that play out?
but coaches can...and they can flat out bring out the book for something controversial as this. I mean really how many scenarios are there really like this...it is not an interpretation it is flat out a rule. how many times have you heard as a football coach player or fan that a game cannot end on a defensive penalty but can on any other penalty?? Regardless of loss of down play if the game was over the game was over it was not a defensive penalty.
And I do not blame Plainfield North...maybe their coaches thought are we missing something here. Was the rule changed??...you have to defer to the refs knowing their stuff. Obviously they didn't and that is BS! Under the way the game was called PN won, but it also completely taints it for those kids too...I wouldn't want to win on an obvious blown technicality.
Knowing me, I'd read the rule and say something to the effect of oh crap you're right and apologize profusely.
One way to make sure this NEVER happens again, add 2 simple and unforgettable rules to the rule book requiring:
I) No official may officiate a high school football game in the state of Illinois without a hard copy of the most recent rule book in his/her pocket at all times. The head official shall not start a game until he/she has verified compliance with this rule.
II) In any final period, when a flag is thrown on a play during which the game clock runs down to zero:
1. The officials will meet privately near midfield.
2. Each official will be required to state to the group of officials his/her opinion regarding proper procedures, citing the section of the rule book and reading it aloud from his/her copy of the rule book.
3. The head official will then announce his/her ruling.
4. The game will not have officially ended until the head official signals from the field that the game has ended.
I) No official may officiate a high school football game in the state of Illinois without a hard copy of the most recent rule book in his/her pocket at all times. The head official shall not start a game until he/she has verified compliance with this rule.
II) In any final period, when a flag is thrown on a play during which the game clock runs down to zero:
1. The officials will meet privately near midfield.
2. Each official will be required to state to the group of officials his/her opinion regarding proper procedures, citing the section of the rule book and reading it aloud from his/her copy of the rule book.
3. The head official will then announce his/her ruling.
4. The game will not have officially ended until the head official signals from the field that the game has ended.
I don't believe the bylaws should be changed to review/change judgment calls/enforcement that happen during the game, but I believe this is a unique situation that happened AFTER regulation was OVER that changed the outcome. Still have faith the IHSA is considering another statement and allowing the winner to move on.
I nominate this post for most inane, biased ( I'm guessing we have a Plainfield fan here), downright stupid post of all time.
I have no dog in the fight. But the game was OVER, and the refs incorrectly awarded an additional play. Simple.
Correction: PN won the game because they executed the gift plays that they were given after Fenwick had already won the game. Fenwick won in regulation. PN won after regulation time had legally expired.
Gooms, what if they had an additional official in the tower with a rule book in the tower for semi and finals games?
There would be some additional cost, but I would think that would be minimal in comparison to the onfield officials having that additional resource available to them.
Hmmm, I could say have a rule book on hand for all varsity games. It would be the closest thing to instant replay we could do safely and cheaply but I would be for it.
Nothing has to be added. One thing has to be taken away or amended. The ridiculous by law the IHSA cited exonerating them from any burden of justice. Orwell probably wishes he came close in 'Animal Farm' to the bureaucratic double-speak displayed by the IHSA by law paraphrased, 'the appeal process is that there can be no appeals'. Genius.
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That has nothing to do with anything I'd be yelling the same thing if it was MS-Palatine.
Another idiotic post. What does that have to do with anything that happened here? Why does everything have to be public vs private for you....very tiresome!
And some have already wondered if the shoe were on the other foot and PN had gotten shafted that the call would have been overturned by now.
A very simple no it wouldn't would be the correct answer. With all the traffic on here asking Plainfield to give up the game, if the play was reversed would we have the same discussions here? I sincerely doubt it.
Golden Warrior: What happened to your signature that made fun of Cubs fans?
Come on... Really? you and LWeastDad have some Private/Public issues to flesh out
Ah yes. come on Really? You and Ramblin have some Private/Public issues to flesh out
I was simply repeating what gdfthr had mentioned. Honestly, this is not a private public issue. However, that doesn't stop the usual suspects who will try to turn it into that.