Common sense would tell the folks at Plainfield North making the call to the IHSA and rescinding the 7A championship bid would be the right thing to do. Spinning this to be a positive for the district and community. I know PN did nothing wrong, but taking advantage of a wrong is not right. Kumbaya moment.
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It's an easy answer that you propose but it begs the question......if Fenwick were in Plainfields shoes would they do the same thing?
I don't think any less of Plainfield nor would I of Fenwick. Just don't see a scenario where either would.
Plainfield North needs to have a team meeting. Their players need to take a vote if this is how they want to be remembered for the rest of their lives. If they do not do the right thing they and the school is tainted. I'm sure if they put into the hands of the players and not adults they will do the right thing.
If not another nice gesture could be MC stepping aside and letting Fenwick play in the Prep Bowl. It would shed more light on the IHSA and enhance Frank's legend!
If not another nice gesture could be MC stepping aside and letting Fenwick play in the Prep Bowl. It would shed more light on the IHSA and enhance Frank's legend!
Is there protocol for a team to step back and allow the other semi finalist to take their place? This needs to be decided today if there is to be any change so that preparations can take place - including the mental prep. Hell, those boys may have already shut down mentally after the game.
Is there legal recourse/injunctions possible or is there precedent against that course?
Is there legal recourse/injunctions possible or is there precedent against that course?
No one will even remember this by next week let alone the rest of thier lives. It's not thier fault and not thier duty to correct it.
Agreed. Does anyone honestly think PFN, or any other school for that matter, would step aside and forego the opportunity to play in the championship game? To even suggest it is ridiculous.
I am assuming all high school athletes will go onto greater things in life than an IHSA decision. The IHSA makes a decision and a school is tainted? That seems a little absurd.
Rules are rules.
Rules say officials call is final.
Rules set the playoff classes and seeds.
Life isn't fair; or so I've been told.
Rules say officials call is final.
Rules set the playoff classes and seeds.
Life isn't fair; or so I've been told.
I kind of agree with this but I rather add a 2nd game at Soldier Field and call it the Suburban Public/Private championship and just have Fenwick v Palatine in this 1st annual game. The Fenwick kids would love to play at Soldier Field and may forget all about this.
Wassup
And here is another question. Let's say, for argument's sake, that PFN stepped aside and told the IHSA to give Fenwick the victory. Would the IHSA even allow Fenwick to play in the 7A championship game? My guess is no. It would go against the official IHSA statement issued last night and make them look even more foolish.
This is not a PN problem, it's no longer a referee problem , it's an ihsa problem .
life's not fair but you could teach your kids to do the right thing
pretend you watching this as a movie, PN players voting to let Fenwick play would be the highlight and inspirational scene
As much as I want my kid to play if PN parent, I believe the greater life lessen is to do the right thing
would you keep an extra $20 in change from a waitress?
pretend you watching this as a movie, PN players voting to let Fenwick play would be the highlight and inspirational scene
As much as I want my kid to play if PN parent, I believe the greater life lessen is to do the right thing
would you keep an extra $20 in change from a waitress?
I think it is a lot of selfish talk by adults on this board. Yes the ref made a bad call and allowed PN the opportunity to tie the game and they did. After that the game was 0-0. PN won the overtime fair and square right? So as adults we want to say now that we lost, it should have never happened. PN earned the right to play in the championship by 1. hitting the field goal which isn't easy and 2. Having the stones to go for two in the first overtime.
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I believe morrisfan is referring to the now-notorious flub officials in the 1990 Colorado-Missouri game committed in which the referees mistakenly gave the Buffs a fifth down.
It certainly abetted Colorado.
no they wouldn't
guess dreaming that in today's society anyone would ever do something not in their self interest
This is an obvious wrong that can be righted. The argument is this....The IHSA is following all of their bylaws, and not overturning an officials call, because the game was officially over and the officials were ruling on something that did not really exist. They were no longer even acting as officials when the alleged untimed kick happened. Period. And do not sell Fenwick short....they have taken the high road many times as far as doing the right thing.
I think it's real easy for everyone here to cast aspersions too what they feel Plainfield should do.
Put yourself in that spot and ask the same thing. It's not a matter of self interest or at least it shouldn't be, but that's what it comes down to.
Neither team did anything wrong and the officials didn't intentionally try and screw or favor either side.
In the end it was a mistake that wasn't able to be corrected. Yes the officials didn't knew the right application of the rule. But prior to the ok state CMU game I'm not sure any of us did either.
To try and hope Plainfield will just bail on this is silly and if rolls were reversed I wouldn't expect Fenwick to either
Put yourself in that spot and ask the same thing. It's not a matter of self interest or at least it shouldn't be, but that's what it comes down to.
Neither team did anything wrong and the officials didn't intentionally try and screw or favor either side.
In the end it was a mistake that wasn't able to be corrected. Yes the officials didn't knew the right application of the rule. But prior to the ok state CMU game I'm not sure any of us did either.
To try and hope Plainfield will just bail on this is silly and if rolls were reversed I wouldn't expect Fenwick to either
Are you saying that Fenwick no Malay gets the salami from officiating on purpose? Ugh not another one of these
I was taught to do the right things in life, and teaching our kids to do the same is one of the most important things we can do for them and for our future. You right "wrongs." If I were a coach on PN, I sure has heck wouldn't feel very good about going into that Championship game next week, knowing that I shouldn't be there. We all know that earning something versus being given it feels a heck of a lot better. Just my opinion so yes, I would expect PN to do the "right" thing and petition the IHSA to let Fenwick play. If the IHSA isn't going to change their stance, PN sure looks a lot better for trying; and if they succeed for some reason, the right team goes and there is "peace on earth."
So are you saying that PR should have protested playing against Montini without their top player?
Not even sure how to address something as ignorant as that statement...
For all that are in the know. If Fenwick was sure about the rule, why didn't they protest and not go on the field for the untimed down? Based on the comments everyone was sure of the rules except for the officials. I know there is a lot of effort put into protesting after the game was completed, why wasn't this effort done before the untimed down as performed. Every should know that IHSA do no overturn anything once the game is complete.
Don't have to, but its the same situation. The ref got it wrong and now you want another team to correct the ref mistake by doing whatever you feel is justified. I think asking PN to not play after winning in overtime is just as ignorant!
Does anyone for a second think that the IHSA will allow Plainfield North not to play in the title game?
Even if they decide to appeal to the IHSA, it isn't going to change their ruling.
Even if they decide to appeal to the IHSA, it isn't going to change their ruling.
Nothing can be done now....
The only thing PN and Fenwick can do now is schedule each other for an early non-conference game for next year! Everyone will want to be there.
If the schedule is already filled then their opponents can play each other.
We need to take care of business and straighten things out and get this thing scheduled right now!
The only thing PN and Fenwick can do now is schedule each other for an early non-conference game for next year! Everyone will want to be there.
If the schedule is already filled then their opponents can play each other.
We need to take care of business and straighten things out and get this thing scheduled right now!
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Refs blew a call that affected the game. Where have I seen this before?
Rule says games are final therefore is not a problem. Plainfield won. Move on.
Rule says games are final therefore is not a problem. Plainfield won. Move on.
Will you please stop with this stupid crap? Between this and your bs Palatine scenario you've become quite annoying at the wrong time. We don't hold PN responsible for this, there is no grudge match necessary, PN was the recipient of this egregious mistake but it wasn't their mistake. The absolute last thing we expect is to play again, even when awaiting statement from IHSA last night we knew the season was over. You think our kids (or Palatine) want to play a meaningless game and risk injury just for your amusement? So why keep posting this crap? Maybe I'm still just angry with the world but good god man!
Thanks for speaking with some sanity. Respect that a lot especially under the circumstances
Thank you for this post TFP523. We don't need more crappy post-season games like the Prep Bowl, we need fewer. It is also funny when Wassup keeps mentioning that this absurd game that he has conjured up in his mind can be the "second game played at Soldier Field." For goodness sake the Prep Bowl is NOT even being played at Soldier Field this weekend.
Hey, just trying to put some other solutions out there to meet in the middle because the IHSA decision is final and therefore there is nothing left to complain about and this thread should now be over. I wanted Fenwick to get the decision which would have been the right decision but it's time to move on.
Wassup
Wassup
They did not blow a call. They made the correct call and then enforced it contrary to the rule book. I don't understand why 4 or so posters can't understand this. This was not a missed holding or phantom pass interference.
Yes it is. For all of us, the kids won't forget what happened to them no matter what meaningless game could be set up. Best to lick our wounds and move on to something else, whether that be basketball, wrestling, college applications or prep for spring sports it's time to try and heal. It was a heck of a season and there will always be that little "what if" "lingering in our minds but I heard from Naz people that the boys told their parents it was all about the journey and the extra time spent together rather than the destination and the hardware. As that message sunk in I realized they were correct. The boys were blessed with an extra 4 weeks and a journey they'll never forget. I'm thankful for that. I was talked into moving on and that's what I will do, no matter how little "sense" it makes. Something good will be around the corner for those boys, I believe that. Good luck to Plainfield North, I harbor no I'll will towards them. I won't be watching that game as I hope none of the families will instead I'll have something else planned for my son. I understand everyone tries to make sense of it their own way. I don't think your intent is bad but just let it go. Not only would your hypothetical games never happen but we wouldn't want them and they wouldn't help our boys anyways. Thanks to all for the kind wishes and support, at some point I'll fill my son in on the outrage in this board lol. Now simply isn't the time. I'm done posting on this topic, and done with kids playing under the umbrella of IHSA football. Maybe that will make this board even more fun for me, I know I'll be less invested! I spent the last 4 or so years doing my best to leave me kids and even their team out of it. I thought I did a good job of that. I often bite my tongue as to not embarrass them or their friends. I didn't think it right to use this board to shove my kid down your throats, I often filtered myself with the exception of last night. My apologies about my blow up but that was tough to deal with. I went through all stages of grief out here publicly! I'm glad no one on here knows who my son is because I didn't have the opportunity to embarrass him! Moving forward I will have no reason to filter myself, no one to worry about embarrassing, which simply means Ill fit in well here!
Thanks Wassup, looking forward to the future of a Fenwick-Montini rivalry as I have nothing but respect for your program.
The kids won't forget what happened because certain parents won't let it go. Grow up and be a grown up. Support the kids and explain life isn't always fair!
Don't tell me how to raise my kids. You're out of line and clearly didn't read my post.
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