Since we have a different dynamic now - we go 4-8 with Damien Williams...
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Not really. They do bring in 2 when there is a gap because of transfers or what have you. Like Bama and LSU last year and the second guy is much lower rated usually. Bama 2nd guy last year was a low 3 star I believe. But Georgia, Florida, and A&M only brought one in. But over 4 years your talking about 8 recruited scholarship QB's. 10% of your roster for QB's? Nobody is recruiting two a year every year.
Did the schedule say 4 wins this year? Most people thought 6 wins (7 with a bowl) was at least 50/50.
We still have 2 more games to win more than 4. Most people seem to think we will win Arkansas which would be 5. You JUST said that 6-6 was a 50/50 shot, so is it really crazy to think 5 wins would be it? We very well could win the last 2 to finish 6-6 anyway.
8 wins next year is still underperforming. Yet, he's not capable of getting 8.
He's gotten 8 twice already. How is he not capable of doing it?
Yes. State can do better. And not necessarily Hudspeth. But if a winning head coach at another program had the tools he had to work with, 6-6 would not be a question. Mullen is not a coach that is going to outmaneuver an opponent to win a game.
What has Mullen accomplished? A 9-win season? In the last 5 years, everyone in the SEC has won 9 games in a season except UK and UT (on self-probation for half of that).
Yet again, you just said that 6-6 would be acceptable this year, that it was a 50/50 shot. How can you say it would not be a question with another coach? Our 6 losses are all to ranked teams. Do you really believe Mullen is the only coach that would have lost all 6? And Mullen has accomplished getting a team to 3 straight bowl games in which they had been to 1 in the previous 10 years. But that doesn't count apparently.
Why don't you do a little research, what teams have fired a coach for on the field results after going to 4 straight bowl games? I'm interested in seeing this.
We still have 2 more games to win more than 4. Most people seem to think we will win Arkansas which would be 5. You JUST said that 6-6 was a 50/50 shot, so is it really crazy to think 5 wins would be it? We very well could win the last 2 to finish 6-6 anyway.
8 wins next year is still underperforming. Yet, he's not capable of getting 8.
He's gotten 8 twice already. How is he not capable of doing it?
Yes. State can do better. And not necessarily Hudspeth. But if a winning head coach at another program had the tools he had to work with, 6-6 would not be a question. Mullen is not a coach that is going to outmaneuver an opponent to win a game.
What has Mullen accomplished? A 9-win season? In the last 5 years, everyone in the SEC has won 9 games in a season except UK and UT (on self-probation for half of that).
Yet again, you just said that 6-6 would be acceptable this year, that it was a 50/50 shot. How can you say it would not be a question with another coach? Our 6 losses are all to ranked teams. Do you really believe Mullen is the only coach that would have lost all 6? And Mullen has accomplished getting a team to 3 straight bowl games in which they had been to 1 in the previous 10 years. But that doesn't count apparently.
Why don't you do a little research, what teams have fired a coach for on the field results after going to 4 straight bowl games? I'm interested in seeing this.
I think you make a good point here. If an AD waits until he has to fire a coach to start doing recon on possible replacements, it's going to be a disappointment (unless you're planning on making a short-term hire and let him outperform - a la Freeze).
An AD has to do some recruiting. He's also got to listen the opinions of other conference foes if he's an assistant or watch some game film if he's a HC. Personally, if I'm an AD, I shoot for head coach since they have a better portfolio to evaluate and experience.
As far as 72 hours, I don't necessarily buy that. On the one hand, the decision has already been made halfway through the season. On the other hand, the dominoes fall in different ways during bowl season.
An AD has to do some recruiting. He's also got to listen the opinions of other conference foes if he's an assistant or watch some game film if he's a HC. Personally, if I'm an AD, I shoot for head coach since they have a better portfolio to evaluate and experience.
As far as 72 hours, I don't necessarily buy that. On the one hand, the decision has already been made halfway through the season. On the other hand, the dominoes fall in different ways during bowl season.
if he gets to 8 wins, i think he earns a bit of breathing room, but we will most likely be underdogs vs auburn and om, and pick 'ems (at best) vs aTm (potentially manzieless) and vs vandy (matthewsless but still dangerous)...of course, thats pure speculation at this point. If he can get to 8, which he has a fair shot at doing, he deserves a second look. i just want a new OC...maybe that can put a charge into our stale offense.
also, stoops is going to pick some low hanging sec fruit at some point...lets hope its not us next year in lexington, because after this years game, my confidence is eroding.
also, stoops is going to pick some low hanging sec fruit at some point...lets hope its not us next year in lexington, because after this years game, my confidence is eroding.
The whole premise of the thread is a 4-8 record. Don't think that everybody is happy with 5 wins. People are willing to give Mullen another year for 5 wins. You confuse probability with acceptance.
Yes, he did. Last year in fact. Next year's schedule is harder than last year's schedule. I personally don't see 8 wins there.
Can you not read? Is English your second language? I did not say 50/50 = acceptable. It's the probability that it happens. And I repeat that it's not acceptable for me. He had opportunities to beat OSU, AU, LSU, TAMU, and BAMA. He crapped out. He has played his cards. What you see is what you get.
I REALLY believe that Mullen is the ONLY coach that would have lost all 6.** Now, sir, do you REALLY believe that there's NO coach that couldn't have won all 6? How about just one of them?
He won 3 straight bowl games. He's won 3 straight egg bowls (maybe a correlation between the two???). No matter his future record, State should never fire him because his predecessor was the worst hire in the history of the school. Let's give him a statue while we're at it.**
One thing for sure. DW's mobility gives us a good chance to win, especially with the extra reps he is sure to have gotten in practice this week.
Another thing, weather forecast for Little Rock Saturday morning calls for rain chance, and high 48 with nw winds. He's going to need to make some plays in the passing game in less than ideal conditions.
Another thing, weather forecast for Little Rock Saturday morning calls for rain chance, and high 48 with nw winds. He's going to need to make some plays in the passing game in less than ideal conditions.
I love mofos who come to sports message boards to criticize people for giving their opinion on a ...... sports message boards. Get back to us if you ever have original thought of your own IE....never.
It was UGA, UF, and UK only signed 1 QB. It could have been that somebody they recruited just went somewhere else.
But that still makes 11 of 14 teams signed 2 QBs. Not a coincidence. Can't afford to miss on QBs.
I'm not arguing that they don't transfer. I'm arguing that teams keep quite a few underclassmen QB on campus and cut bait if they don't progress. Usually the QBs and RBs are the most talented players on HS teams.
Fair enough on point 1.
On point 2, you said he wasn't capable of winning 8. I pointed out he is obviously capable of winning 8. It's fine if you don't think he will, but you are wrong to say he is not capable.
Point 3, I asked you who has gotten fired after going to 4 straight bowls. It would be absolutely ludicrous to fire him if he won the last two. And you may not find it acceptable to go 6-6 this year, but most everyone else in the fanbase does, and many even predicted it. I personally wouldn't call it crapping out losing to 6 teams with a combined 8 losses between them. That's just me, however.
On point 2, you said he wasn't capable of winning 8. I pointed out he is obviously capable of winning 8. It's fine if you don't think he will, but you are wrong to say he is not capable.
Point 3, I asked you who has gotten fired after going to 4 straight bowls. It would be absolutely ludicrous to fire him if he won the last two. And you may not find it acceptable to go 6-6 this year, but most everyone else in the fanbase does, and many even predicted it. I personally wouldn't call it crapping out losing to 6 teams with a combined 8 losses between them. That's just me, however.
That is my original thought. There are a bunch of dumbasses on our boards that actually think their posts are actually gonna get Mark Hudspeth to be our coach next season. When in all actuality all it is doing is making our entire fan base look like a bunch of jackasses and only hurting us with recruits and parents of recruits. Who wants to go play where the fans of their school constantly ***** about any and everything possible from the athletic director to the jumbotron operator and everything in between? All we do is continue to give other schools ammo against us
Hell. I'm not happy with being 4-6 right now either I think Dan and staff have lost some games we shoulda won. I also think we have some damn good players on our team that Dan got to our school and we can be a good team with Dan as our coach next Season. What I don't want is us to fire a coach that not too long ago was leading us all where we wanted to go and still may. Mullen knows his seat is getting toasty and he has earned a chance next season to right this seasons wrongs. And bitching and moaning on a message board or social media only adds negative fuel to our fire. Everybody has a right to ***** and give their opinion but in my opinion we take this way too far.
Now ow roast me all you want but this is my opinion and I'm damn right about it too.
Hell. I'm not happy with being 4-6 right now either I think Dan and staff have lost some games we shoulda won. I also think we have some damn good players on our team that Dan got to our school and we can be a good team with Dan as our coach next Season. What I don't want is us to fire a coach that not too long ago was leading us all where we wanted to go and still may. Mullen knows his seat is getting toasty and he has earned a chance next season to right this seasons wrongs. And bitching and moaning on a message board or social media only adds negative fuel to our fire. Everybody has a right to ***** and give their opinion but in my opinion we take this way too far.
Now ow roast me all you want but this is my opinion and I'm damn right about it too.
I understand what you're saying. I just don't agree. A coach will get fired when the fans get tired of being last in their conference.
Plus, if find it acceptable or pleasing or whatever to lose to teams with a combined 8 loses, it's either get used to it, change conferences, or change coaches.
For you're convenience, the conference teams that Dan will beat this year have been marked with an "x".
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Plus, if find it acceptable or pleasing or whatever to lose to teams with a combined 8 loses, it's either get used to it, change conferences, or change coaches.
For you're convenience, the conference teams that Dan will beat this year have been marked with an "x".
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| EAST | CONF | OVERALL |
| * - Missouri | 5-1 | 9-1 |
| * - South Carolina | 6-2 | 8-2 |
| * - Georgia | 4-3 | 6-4 |
| * - Vanderbilt | 3-4 | 6-4 |
| Florida | 3-5 | 4-6 |
| Tennessee | 1-5 | 4-6 |
| x - Kentucky | 0-6 | 2-8 |
| WEST | CONF | OVERALL |
| * - Alabama | 7-0 | 10-0 |
| * - Auburn | 6-1 | 10-1 |
| * - Texas A&M | 4-2 | 8-2 |
| * - Ole Miss | 3-3 | 7-3 |
| * - LSU | 3-3 | 7-3 |
| Mississippi State | 1-5 | 4-6 |
| x - Arkansas | 0-6 | 3-7 |
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Engie, I am on board with your assessment. Mullen has earned next year to try to fix his problems. And I agree on 8 wins next season being our floor. Now if we could get the posters on here to stop spewing all the negative and actually allow Mullen the chance to recruit without all this bs would be great. It won't happen but sure would be nice if it did
If I had confidence in our AD and assurances that it was 8-wins or gone for next year -- I would definitely be alot more patient with Mullen right now and OK with the thought of him coming back next year -- because I'd know what the expectations are administratively. Right now, the only real expectations that Stricklin has floated is "bowl eligibility more times than not" -- and that, in and of itself, is not good enough for me.
Some of my immediate judgement of him is based on the fear of falling into a rut that we can't easily get out of by "doing just enough" and keeping him until WELL after all positive momentum in the program is lost. We're already getting dangerously close to that point.
It's a shame that people say "can't fire a coach for going to 3 straight bowls" is crap, who did he beat to get there????? Yeah we can schedule cream puffs to make him look good but most of us want more than beating cream puffs and being at the bottom of our conference every single year. The only reason we even beat the cream puffs is because we out talent them, it has nothing to do with dan actually coaching. Dan sux as a coach, end of story. I hate to waste another year when we can get a coach in here And do good now than wait until dan screws it up worse for us and sets us back a few years.
I'll give Mullen another year. But his in-game offensive calls are terrible for a 5th year coach. For example, 3rd and inches against Bama inside the 5, and he lines up w an empty backfield w a gimpy QB. Gimme a break! Run a 17n QB sneak and get the 17n first down!
Anyway, he better win 8 next year and beat the bears or he's gone, gone gone gone...as the song goes.
Anyway, he better win 8 next year and beat the bears or he's gone, gone gone gone...as the song goes.
Didn't we lose 5 of the last 6 games last year with Mullen as head coach?
If we lose the last 2 this year, wouldn't that be 5 in a row to end the season?
I know what Division we play in Football. Doesn't excuse closing out the season the way Mullen did last year and MAY do this year.
Here are 5 reasons why a 6-6 record is important to MSU and Coach Dan Mullen:
1) It would mean we finished the year winning the last 2 regular season games, which would give a positive outlook going into next season for fans AND the Team.
2) It would mean 4 straight Bowl Games, a feat NEVER accomplished by Mississippi State, regardless of how low the Bowl is.
3) It would mean 4 straight years of non-losing regular seasons, again, a rather large accomplishment for MSU.
4) It would mean the FIRST time MSU has beaten Arkansas in Little Rock...EVER!
5) It would mean 4 of the last 5 Years, Mississippi State University housed the Golden Egg, and would erase the bad taste from MSU fans and players after last year's Egg Bowl.
It is very DAMN important that Dan Mullen wins these last 2 games, and his job SHOULD be on the line if he doesn't.
If we lose the last 2 this year, wouldn't that be 5 in a row to end the season?
I know what Division we play in Football. Doesn't excuse closing out the season the way Mullen did last year and MAY do this year.
Here are 5 reasons why a 6-6 record is important to MSU and Coach Dan Mullen:
1) It would mean we finished the year winning the last 2 regular season games, which would give a positive outlook going into next season for fans AND the Team.
2) It would mean 4 straight Bowl Games, a feat NEVER accomplished by Mississippi State, regardless of how low the Bowl is.
3) It would mean 4 straight years of non-losing regular seasons, again, a rather large accomplishment for MSU.
4) It would mean the FIRST time MSU has beaten Arkansas in Little Rock...EVER!
5) It would mean 4 of the last 5 Years, Mississippi State University housed the Golden Egg, and would erase the bad taste from MSU fans and players after last year's Egg Bowl.
It is very DAMN important that Dan Mullen wins these last 2 games, and his job SHOULD be on the line if he doesn't.
Its perfectly fine with me if you have an opinion. We obviously can agree to disagree on certain aspects. We are not last, though. Bottom third? Yes. This year at least. And this year many people expected us to struggle. Last year we were 4-4 in conference. And also, I still refuse to count Ole Miss as a loss. We will see in 2 weeks.
And its just me, but I'm never going to advocate firing of a coach because he can't pull an upset, when those upsets are against Bama, A&M, LSU, Georgia, SC, and Florida. If it turns to where it will be an upset every year if we beat Auburn, Ole Miss, Vandy, and Tennessee, then yes, its time to move on. One year of this does not warrant a firing, in my opinion. But we differ here apparently.
And its just me, but I'm never going to advocate firing of a coach because he can't pull an upset, when those upsets are against Bama, A&M, LSU, Georgia, SC, and Florida. If it turns to where it will be an upset every year if we beat Auburn, Ole Miss, Vandy, and Tennessee, then yes, its time to move on. One year of this does not warrant a firing, in my opinion. But we differ here apparently.
Sorry missed the other A & M QB. Auburn only signed one though. Marshall doesn't count. They signed him as a DB and started him there before moving him. I don't see but one for So Car.
In 2012 you had Kentucky, Tennessee, So Car, & Auburn as the only 4 teams signing more than one QB I beleive. Bama didn't even sign a QB.
In 2012 you had Kentucky, Tennessee, So Car, & Auburn as the only 4 teams signing more than one QB I beleive. Bama didn't even sign a QB.
Would your statement not still be true at 4-8?
We've bowled 60% of the time under Mullen. If you add a 12th patsy, win half the ties, and go bowling at 6-6, we would have made 25 bowls in the last 40 years. 62.5% of the time.
How can you go back and add half of the ties? The record has already been made and recorded. You might as well say if you take one of our loses from a 5 win season we would have a winning record. I can go along adjusting for a 12th game most of the time. But you also can't say it's always a patsy. It's not this year or in his first year. We have been playing FCS schools long before they added a 12th game. So you are talking about a lot of loses to non major FBS schools. Adding another one for that year is no guarantee that we win it. That's not even mentioning the 6 game SEC schedule until 1989. So it's actually adding another 2 SEC games not 1 patsy. We lost a non conference game not added one. Because of scheduling you can only make the comparison since 1992 when we went to 8 SEC games. And there is only one 5-6 season you can make a case for.
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Fire Mullen. He has no recruiting abilities and is not a head coach. We can do better. Tired of some people settling for less. We are MSU. This is our state and lets keep it that way. If we dont get another coach... Freeze is gonna kill us in recruiting and in egg bowls.. what really matters!
Listen, I don't pump sunshine.
I have seen enough already to know the writing on the wall when I see it. The man is what he is and that isn't changing with team health, new coordinators, or better players/recruiting. I want to see HUD coach us, and that is a small window. Right now I would turn him loose, and thank him that is if HUD would accept the job. I think we have a lot of good players if used right.
He's not going anywhere after this year, and I'm not running a smear mullen campaign. I'll follow our school either way. It's not going to end up how you want though. The gator bowl personnel sham last year was enough for me to see he isn't changing. beating a bad Arky team, and shitting a diamond one game by beating OM doesn't change that for me. Alas you need not worry, ol bucky is going to run his *** ragged with in game adjustments and good play calling.
But hey, you hang in there and blow that sunshine.
I have seen enough already to know the writing on the wall when I see it. The man is what he is and that isn't changing with team health, new coordinators, or better players/recruiting. I want to see HUD coach us, and that is a small window. Right now I would turn him loose, and thank him that is if HUD would accept the job. I think we have a lot of good players if used right.
He's not going anywhere after this year, and I'm not running a smear mullen campaign. I'll follow our school either way. It's not going to end up how you want though. The gator bowl personnel sham last year was enough for me to see he isn't changing. beating a bad Arky team, and shitting a diamond one game by beating OM doesn't change that for me. Alas you need not worry, ol bucky is going to run his *** ragged with in game adjustments and good play calling.
But hey, you hang in there and blow that sunshine.
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A tie counts as half a win and half a loss in record keeping. With current overtime rules, it's perfectly fair to say you win 50% of all overtime games.
UH -- no.
In the realities of today, Jackie would have went to 8 bowls in his first 10 years here. Discount it however you'd like.
The problem isn't so much that we only have 3, it's that we only have one between our redshirt SR and our true freshman - Dak Prescott.
Freeze has been and is killing us again in recruiting according to most sites. That in itself does not bode well for our future. I'm sure Mullen will be given another year or two by our AD, but I do not see any real changes coming as long as he is our coach. We will always be a mediocre football team.
Another hypothetical:
Dan Mullen gets fired.
Mark Hudspeth is interviewed but not hired.
Another coach at a D-1 level school is hired. Your options are: Highly successful BCS level coordinator at a traditionally successful program, or successful Sunbelt/MAC level head coach.
Which do you choose? Also, what kind of reception does this new coach receive, since most of the "Fire Mullens" supporters are vehemently in the "HUD FOR PRESIDENT" camp.
Dan Mullen gets fired.
Mark Hudspeth is interviewed but not hired.
Another coach at a D-1 level school is hired. Your options are: Highly successful BCS level coordinator at a traditionally successful program, or successful Sunbelt/MAC level head coach.
Which do you choose? Also, what kind of reception does this new coach receive, since most of the "Fire Mullens" supporters are vehemently in the "HUD FOR PRESIDENT" camp.
Simple -- MOST in this camp are not in favor of firing Mullen without a signed, post-dated contract already in hand from Hudspeth. If it was handled any differently than that, leaving us Cutcliffe'd, it would be time to perform a search for a new athletics director as well.
You know as well as I do that's used only to calculate win percentage. The team doesn't get credit for the win in the record books. Thats like saying we won 5 games in 1973 although we went 4-5-2. So no, ties are not wins.
You said going back 40 years. Well that's not accurate at all because 1973-1987 you played 5 OOC games and 6 SEC games. That is the reverse of your premise of adding 1 patsy OOC to the schedule. They took away 1 OOC game and added 2 SEC games in comparison.
From 1988-1991 you are looking at 4 OOC games and 7 SEC games during that time. So it is the same number of OOC games.
The only way your comparison even makes sense is from 1992-2001. And there was only one 5-6 season that adding 1 OOC patsy might have made a difference and that was in 1996. Of course that was one of Jackie's let down years in which he lost to LA Tech so that's not a guarantee either.
You are using more than one IF to make some sort of comparison just to get close to matching the 60%. If we played 1 extra patsy OOC game over 40 years (disregarding all the years we already played 4-5 OOC games). If you count half the ties as a wins. That's not making a strong case when you have to go to more than one IF.
Other than the 1996 year what year would it have made a difference? 1997 7-4 year we should have went to a bowl anyway. Why don't you also look at it in reverse? Only use one IF and say using Mullen's track record over the last 4+ years what would our record the last 40 years look like if he had been the coach the entire time. Heck just adjust our win percentage based on his OOC record and see what happens.
You said going back 40 years. Well that's not accurate at all because 1973-1987 you played 5 OOC games and 6 SEC games. That is the reverse of your premise of adding 1 patsy OOC to the schedule. They took away 1 OOC game and added 2 SEC games in comparison.
From 1988-1991 you are looking at 4 OOC games and 7 SEC games during that time. So it is the same number of OOC games.
The only way your comparison even makes sense is from 1992-2001. And there was only one 5-6 season that adding 1 OOC patsy might have made a difference and that was in 1996. Of course that was one of Jackie's let down years in which he lost to LA Tech so that's not a guarantee either.
You are using more than one IF to make some sort of comparison just to get close to matching the 60%. If we played 1 extra patsy OOC game over 40 years (disregarding all the years we already played 4-5 OOC games). If you count half the ties as a wins. That's not making a strong case when you have to go to more than one IF.
Other than the 1996 year what year would it have made a difference? 1997 7-4 year we should have went to a bowl anyway. Why don't you also look at it in reverse? Only use one IF and say using Mullen's track record over the last 4+ years what would our record the last 40 years look like if he had been the coach the entire time. Heck just adjust our win percentage based on his OOC record and see what happens.
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I'm not talking about how many you sign each year. That varies for various stated reasons.
Generally you only have 3 scholly QBs on a roster though. And we have 2 signed this year so next year we'll have 4 total. They are probably expecting 1 of them to not stay or play a different position.
Generally you only have 3 scholly QBs on a roster though. And we have 2 signed this year so next year we'll have 4 total. They are probably expecting 1 of them to not stay or play a different position.
After a little research i see that several schools appear to have 4 on scholly.
GA - 7 on roster
Bama - 6 on roster
Ole Miss - 6 on roster
MSU - 4 on roster
not sure which of those are scholly though other than MSU.
GA - 7 on roster
Bama - 6 on roster
Ole Miss - 6 on roster
MSU - 4 on roster
not sure which of those are scholly though other than MSU.
Byrne hired Mullen and Cohen. It would have been interesting to see what would have happened if Byrne had been here for 2011 basketball, whether he would have fired Stansbury, and if he had, who he would have hired.
Yeah. That's not the way it's done. That's why it's pretty common to see even big name schools go through 2 or 3 "leading candidates" before finally making a hire. Also, everyone is just jumping to the conclusion that Hudspeth is the best coach we could get. Maybe he is. But it would be pretty stupid not to at least look around to see if we could do better.