Slippery Slope

dave

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So when I say we want religious freedom for you religious nuts to worship however you want, just as long as you don't discriminate against others, how is that NOT a two way street?

The Supreme Court is not preventing anyone, any where, from exercising their right to practice religion. No one is standing in front of the church doors.

Your post is the epitome of religious hypocrisy when it comes to the First Amendment. You religious extremists want the "freedom" to practice your religion, even when it means discriminating against others.

And Ill bet my life savings you can't name one single thing the POTUS actually did in an attempt to bankrupt coal related industries.
The new EPA carbon emission standards. You can keep the 20 bucks.
 

dave

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Which proves my point exactly. They have not went into effect yet. Good lord you are dense.
Because the Supreme Court stopped them. Boy there is some spin. Care to guess how many power plants closed in preparation for these new standards?
 
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So when I say we want religious freedom for you religious nuts to worship however you want, just as long as you don't discriminate against others, how is that NOT a two way street?

The Supreme Court is not preventing anyone, any where, from exercising their right to practice religion. No one is standing in front of the church doors.

Your post is the epitome of religious hypocrisy when it comes to the First Amendment. You religious extremists want the "freedom" to practice your religion, even when it means discriminating against others.

And Ill bet my life savings you can't name one single thing the POTUS actually did in an attempt to bankrupt coal related industries.

Brother, I ain't mad. I'm use to handling know-nothing fountains of nonsensical babble. That doesn't make me mad. It frustrates and saddens me that this country and world are full of similar people that are voting, but not mad.

Congrats. That is the epitome of civil discourse. You called me a nut and a hypocrite, but you don't know what I think about the underlying morality of any of this. I've only addressed the legality and Constitutionality of it. You're the one that can't separate the two. Don't feel bad. That phenomenon is not restricted to you.

You just don't get it, do you? You have zero tolerance for any disagreeable person. Your position is that as long as the free exercise of religion is what YOU say it is (i.e., "worship however you want"), you're cool with it. If YOU don't agree that an act or refraining from committing an act is exercising one religion (most religious people regardless of what deity is involved think of their actions as exercising their beliefs...in other words, most consider it more than what one does in a formal building) then it's not cool. That is the exact opposite of what was intended by the BoR.

You really aren't informed or educated enough to be speaking on this subject. Did you know this almost exact bill was introduced by (then Rep) Chuck Schumer and Ted Kennedy and signed into law by WJC? Do you know why the federal law isn't enforceable on state action? I'm sure you don't. You continue to ignore the fact that the bill tracks strict scrutiny (I suspect it's because you have no idea what that means it why it's important). That's another reason people that actually exist in this world would laugh at you. You have no realization of history, political philosophy or the law (and really have no idea what I think about the underlying niceties of it all), but you pop off and call me names anyway. You assume you know what I personally believe because of my defense of the Bill of Rights and religious freedom. I would defend your rights, too, no matter how stoooooopid (I'm sure) your postions are. If you care, I dare you to find somebody that would say I ever treated him or her any differently or witnessed me doing so to another based on whatever racial, religious, ethnic, orientation, etc reason. You won't find any. It's not the way I was raised. Most people that know would laugh in your face at the mention of such nonsense.

On POTUS and coal, you can keep your money. I don't want or need it, but you shouldn't make bets like that. I could go on for hours about what this administration and the 4th branch have done just with the permitting processes. You obviously have no idea with whom you're conversing and that's fine, but you should have been able to pick up by now that you're out of your league.

I really am done. You're a reminder why I never come to this board. To paraphrase Johnny Tyler, it's like talking law and philosophy with my sister's kids. There is no reasoned discussion to have with uninformed persons and even moreso when those persons possess little to no mental flexibility. If you want to talk again after you've studied (at the very minimum) the works of Publius and understand the fear the FF had of tyranny of the majority (i.e., in your words "what most Americans want"),you let me know and we can talk. You should probably look into at least a half dozen philosophers, too (i.e., Mills, Hobbes, etc), but the works of the Founding Fathers is a good place to start.
 
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Brother, I ain't mad. I'm use to handling know-nothing fountains of nonsensical babble. That doesn't make me mad. It frustrates and saddens me that this country and world are full of similar people that are voting, but not mad.

Congrats. That is the epitome of civil discourse. You called me a nut and a hypocrite, but you don't know what I think about the underlying morality of any of this. I've only addressed the legality and Constitutionality of it. You're the one that can't separate the two. Don't feel bad. That phenomenon is not restricted to you.

You just don't get it, do you? You have zero tolerance for any disagreeable person. Your position is that as long as the free exercise of religion is what YOU say it is (i.e., "worship however you want"), you're cool with it. If YOU don't agree that an act or refraining from committing an act is exercising one religion (most religious people regardless of what deity is involved think of their actions as exercising their beliefs...in other words, most consider it more than what one does in a formal building) then it's not cool. That is the exact opposite of what was intended by the BoR.

You really aren't informed or educated enough to be speaking on this subject. Did you know this almost exact bill was introduced by (then Rep) Chuck Schumer and Ted Kennedy and signed into law by WJC? Do you know why the federal law isn't enforceable on state action? I'm sure you don't. You continue to ignore the fact that the bill tracks strict scrutiny (I suspect it's because you have no idea what that means it why it's important). That's another reason people that actually exist in this world would laugh at you. You have no realization of history, political philosophy or the law (and really have no idea what I think about the underlying niceties of it all), but you pop off and call me names anyway. You assume you know what I personally believe because of my defense of the Bill of Rights and religious freedom. I would defend your rights, too, no matter how stoooooopid (I'm sure) your postions are. If you care, I dare you to find somebody that would say I ever treated him or her any differently or witnessed me doing so to another based on whatever racial, religious, ethnic, orientation, etc reason. You won't find any. It's not the way I was raised. Most people that know would laugh in your face at the mention of such nonsense.

On POTUS and coal, you can keep your money. I don't want or need it, but you shouldn't make bets like that. I could go on for hours about what this administration and the 4th branch have done just with the permitting processes. You obviously have no idea with whom you're conversing and that's fine, but you should have been able to pick up by now that you're out of your league.

I really am done. You're a reminder why I never come to this board. To paraphrase Johnny Tyler, it's like talking law and philosophy with my sister's kids. There is no reasoned discussion to have with uninformed persons and even moreso when those persons possess little to no mental flexibility. If you want to talk again after you've studied (at the very minimum) the works of Publius and understand the fear the FF had of tyranny of the majority (i.e., in your words "what most Americans want"),you let me know and we can talk. You should probably look into at least a half dozen philosophers, too (i.e., Mills, Hobbes, etc), but the works of the Founding Fathers is a good place to start.

[laughing] The cracker jack box wants your law degree back. [laughing]
 

Mntneer

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Brother, I ain't mad. I'm use to handling know-nothing fountains of nonsensical babble. That doesn't make me mad. It frustrates and saddens me that this country and world are full of similar people that are voting, but not mad.

Congrats. That is the epitome of civil discourse. You called me a nut and a hypocrite, but you don't know what I think about the underlying morality of any of this. I've only addressed the legality and Constitutionality of it. You're the one that can't separate the two. Don't feel bad. That phenomenon is not restricted to you.

You just don't get it, do you? You have zero tolerance for any disagreeable person. Your position is that as long as the free exercise of religion is what YOU say it is (i.e., "worship however you want"), you're cool with it. If YOU don't agree that an act or refraining from committing an act is exercising one religion (most religious people regardless of what deity is involved think of their actions as exercising their beliefs...in other words, most consider it more than what one does in a formal building) then it's not cool. That is the exact opposite of what was intended by the BoR.

You really aren't informed or educated enough to be speaking on this subject. Did you know this almost exact bill was introduced by (then Rep) Chuck Schumer and Ted Kennedy and signed into law by WJC? Do you know why the federal law isn't enforceable on state action? I'm sure you don't. You continue to ignore the fact that the bill tracks strict scrutiny (I suspect it's because you have no idea what that means it why it's important). That's another reason people that actually exist in this world would laugh at you. You have no realization of history, political philosophy or the law (and really have no idea what I think about the underlying niceties of it all), but you pop off and call me names anyway. You assume you know what I personally believe because of my defense of the Bill of Rights and religious freedom. I would defend your rights, too, no matter how stoooooopid (I'm sure) your postions are. If you care, I dare you to find somebody that would say I ever treated him or her any differently or witnessed me doing so to another based on whatever racial, religious, ethnic, orientation, etc reason. You won't find any. It's not the way I was raised. Most people that know would laugh in your face at the mention of such nonsense.

On POTUS and coal, you can keep your money. I don't want or need it, but you shouldn't make bets like that. I could go on for hours about what this administration and the 4th branch have done just with the permitting processes. You obviously have no idea with whom you're conversing and that's fine, but you should have been able to pick up by now that you're out of your league.

I really am done. You're a reminder why I never come to this board. To paraphrase Johnny Tyler, it's like talking law and philosophy with my sister's kids. There is no reasoned discussion to have with uninformed persons and even moreso when those persons possess little to no mental flexibility. If you want to talk again after you've studied (at the very minimum) the works of Publius and understand the fear the FF had of tyranny of the majority (i.e., in your words "what most Americans want"),you let me know and we can talk. You should probably look into at least a half dozen philosophers, too (i.e., Mills, Hobbes, etc), but the works of the Founding Fathers is a good place to start.
 

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1) That post is replete with inaccuracies and examples of why you don't know enough about it to be trying to discuss it. I have neither the time nor inclination to educate you.
2) You're all for religious freedom....as long as YOU deem it legitimate, but not if YOU don't deem it legitimate.
3) See my previous post about slippery slope arguments.
4) You really must not pay attention. The WV legislature has taken huge, huge strides in the last 2 sessions to save us from the economic cesspool created by 80 decades of poor leadership and a WH that set out to destroy our bread and butter. Legislatures always deal with peripheral issues. People that say things like that signal to me they have never paid enough attention to a session of any legislative body to know how things actually work. How is selling booze at Sunday brunch going to get "us off the bottom of the list on everything"? It's not, but they voted on it today and I bet you're all for that.

1) feel free to point out the inaccuracies, there are always people I can learn things from and I welcome the opportunity
2) You don't know me at all, and if you'd been on this board and seen all of my posts you'd have a better understanding of my point of view. Instead you take 2 posts and presume to be able to sum up my entire viewpoint on this succinctly. Pretty full of ourselves, aren't we? Especially when you say what you've said in point #1 namely "you don't know what you're talking about so just shut the fk up". I could reciprocate that sentiment easily.
3) whatever
4) yes, they deal with other issues, but they should stick with the big ones until this state I love doesn't suck in every meaningful economic category. If you think coal is dead because of Obama, I don't know what to tell you. Although I will ask why there were 150,000 coal jobs here in the 40's and only about 10,000 now? That didn't all happen in the last 6-7 years. I will also ask how Mingo and McDowell counties have been over the last couple of decades versus 3-4 decades ago.
Finally, the booze at Sunday brunch ... I couldn't care less one way or another (I generally don't buy drinks with dinner and don't go to brunch), and I see that as another time waster that's solving a problem that doesn't exist. So, once again you've shown both your ignorance and arrogance in making assumptions about what I believe or care about based on 2 posts on the message board.

Please tell me more about me. I'm totally intrigued to learn more about me from you.
 
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1) feel free to point out the inaccuracies, there are always people I can learn things from and I welcome the opportunity
2) You don't know me at all, and if you'd been on this board and seen all of my posts you'd have a better understanding of my point of view. Instead you take 2 posts and presume to be able to sum up my entire viewpoint on this succinctly. Pretty full of ourselves, aren't we? Especially when you say what you've said in point #1 namely "you don't know what you're talking about so just shut the fk up". I could reciprocate that sentiment easily.
3) whatever
4) yes, they deal with other issues, but they should stick with the big ones until this state I love doesn't suck in every meaningful economic category. If you think coal is dead because of Obama, I don't know what to tell you. Although I will ask why there were 150,000 coal jobs here in the 40's and only about 10,000 now? That didn't all happen in the last 6-7 years. I will also ask how Mingo and McDowell counties have been over the last couple of decades versus 3-4 decades ago.
Finally, the booze at Sunday brunch ... I couldn't care less one way or another (I generally don't buy drinks with dinner and don't go to brunch), and I see that as another time waster that's solving a problem that doesn't exist. So, once again you've shown both your ignorance and arrogance in making assumptions about what I believe or care about based on 2 posts on the message board.

Please tell me more about me. I'm totally intrigued to learn more about me from you.


He aint mad, though. He's threatened twice, like a 5-year old kid, that he's done with this thread, but he aint mad.

He's told both you and I what we think and made assumptions about our understanding of the law and the Constitution but he's a religious hypocrite that knows that his (and others) expression of religion should be allowed to discriminate against others.

He aint mad.
 

MikeRafone

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Lawyers, nothin' but PoliSci majors gone bad.

Is there a religion with legal weed and loose women with a fetish for smelly old coots? If not, I'm for creating one. It will mellow you fellows out.
 

dave

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He aint mad, though. He's threatened twice, like a 5-year old kid, that he's done with this thread, but he aint mad.

He's told both you and I what we think and made assumptions about our understanding of the law and the Constitution but he's a religious hypocrite that knows that his (and others) expression of religion should be allowed to discriminate against others.

He aint mad.

He made you look like a fool. Your assumptions and understanding of the law is pretty clear by your contention that people can rape and use this law to justify it. He explained the law to you pretty clearly and you have apparently chosen to ignore it and instead try to pretend like he is a religious zealot. He is not a zealot. He is a lawyer.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Lawyers, nothin' but PoliSci majors gone bad.

Is there a religion with legal weed and loose women with a fetish for smelly old coots? If not, I'm for creating one. It will mellow you fellows out.
I really tried to create this one. Mostly my objective was going to be for evading taxes, the blow and hookers was just a nice touch.
 

MikeRafone

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Don't give up. If Oral Roberts can get people to believe he raised the dead and saw a 900 foot Jesus stompin' around Tulsa, anything is possible.

A friend's Uncle was an associate of Oral's. I'd repeat some of the tales the nephew told me, but I'm getting too old to get sued into the poorhouse. Most of it involved the great Robert Tilton. I wonder if Bob's out of the Big House?