Agree with everything jeans15 said... The fact that Tommy threw 12 interceptions in his final 4 games had nothing to do with our record! You all are idiots!
So, did Bo leave the cupboard bare?
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The offense didn't pick up first downs to end games against BYU, Illinois, Wisconsin and Northwestern. An ill advised throw with interception and penalty did us in against Miami. Iowa was the TA turnover and horrible decision show. The defense stepped up in the games against Michigan State and Iowa. Which is exactly what you want to see as the season progresses.
Thankfully the Michigan State DB dropped that interception in the endzone. Wouldn't you say???
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Not TAs fault the Michigan St DB sucked. We loss that game?
The only game I put on TA is the Iowa game. He royally sucked that game.
TA's job is to get the lead. The defenses job is to stop the other team from scoring more. So who didn't do their job?
Point being we are 5-7 because the TEAM loss the games.
We excepted TA to be Manning when anyone worth a salt of football knowledge knew that TA was not that.
What the hell were the coaches watching, when they looked at game film the past 2 years.
Agree with everything jeans15 said... The fact that Tommy threw 12 interceptions in his final 4 games had nothing to do with our record! You all are idiots!
It was 10. And your genius coaches still kept throwing the ball.
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So Riley didn't leave the cupboard bare in Corvallis? "Wowzer" do you watch football? My guess is no. All I was stating in my post sir was that if you think Bo had trouble bringing in talent and developing it, I don't think Riley will do much better. Maybe even worse. His current recruiting and previous history supports that.
Because Oregon State doesn't have facilities, tradition, and fan support , it's ok that Riley left them with very little?
FYI tradition and history are redundant. Do you know what the definition of tradition is? Of course you can have history without tradition but can't do it vice-versa. Since your obviously a know it all, I thought I'd help you out there. Normally I wouldn't care about that but since 99.9% of your replies just come across as condescending without real basis. So, I thought I'd help you out. Keep playing the walk-on card sir and ignore that it's been a part of our "history and tradition" for ever and that the team still has a ton of talent. Enough talent to beat a top 5 team, anyways.
If you look closely I said last 4 games... And since I didn't look at the stats but just went off memory, I double checked. In 4 games it was 10 picks and a 2-2 record, so I stand corrected. Fyfe gets credit for the Purdue picks... I get it if you want to say Tommy wasn't a problem this year, but if he would have played better at times, our horrid defense would have gotten bailed out by his play.
I do agree that our woes aren't all on Tommy, but he did have some atrocious games as well where if he could have completed even 40% of his passes (Illinois and Wisconsin) we win. Our defense was good enough in both of those games to get a victory.
The reality is, there were times Tommy was the problem, and other times our defense was the problem (coaching as well, but I'm simply talking on the field). Those who want to blame just Tommy are off base. Those who want to blame just defense are off base. It was a combination.
Get rid of the blind hatred for Riley... Look at his organization when it comes to recruiting. Did he just pick this up this year? Numerous experts (not appropriately named spinner) are saying he will land a top 15-25 class this year, with next year shaping up to being even better.
This thread was asking about what Bo left behind. Stop hijacking this thread by attempting to shift it to Oregon State. What did Bo leave behind? If you are curious about Oregon State, start your own thread on that. This is about what was left at Nebraska.
Did you just say we lost to Illinois & Purdue (This Year)because of a coach & staff that coached here last year?
So if I have this right...You think because Riley wasnt bringing in a load of 4 stars to Oregon State, then for sure that is a reason why he wont be able to recruit to a Nebraska..Even though so far this staff has shown a lot more to our own guys that cover recruiting already in form or organization, using social media, and doing new things in order to recruit kids, besides the fact that they dont take a few months off of recruiting like Pelini and CO did. So even with our own writers that follow recruiting stating that this staff is head and shoulders better than the last staff, you are going to stick by your opinion that Riley wont be able to recruit here. OK doesnt make much sense but OK.
Furthermore you also are stating that if Bo couldnt recruit well enough at NU then RIley couldnt possibly...
Bo and his staff were fairly lazy when it came to recruiting and they were bad at roster management. This staff has already shown that they are not going to be dumb with roster management nor lazy with recruiting. So you are already wrong for the 2nd time.
Wowzers.
To go on your statement about walk ons, yes walk ons have been something Nebraska has taken pride in, but they were not meant to be your starters for most of a season or so many on your two deep. Maybe a guy filling in for part of a game if a few guys got hurt, sure, but not as the major starters and minute takers during an entire season which was what happened this year. Just simply something that should NEVER happen at a place like Nebraska.
I am surprised that you think if Bo couldnt get it done here, and you dont realize that Bo and Co were simply lazy and disorganized recruiters, it was pretty plain as day and they underfilled classes as well which also created holes on the roster.. Major holes this year at key positions did us in this year at LB, DE and QB.
When a guys philsophy is: "Oh now I dont have to get out of the car to recruit" when he got hired at Youngstown is all you need to know about what a lazy POS recruiter Bo Pelini is and was at NU>
You don't have it right. Pretty much stopped reading at that point. Look, I agree Bo nor anyone on his staff were lights out recruiters. We need better to compete for B1G titles but he did leave enough talent to beat MSU and really outplay (stat wise) Iowa. Both are top 5 teams, no?
If this was your point then why sling all the crap about Riley at Oregon State? You don't like Riley as coach, leading you to do whatever it takes to deflect.
If you would have posted simply what you posted here then it would have been hard to argue against you. But you didn't... You went off on Riley at Oregon State when this thread was never about that.
When I mentioned numerous experts I don't have links, unfortunately, because I don't subscribe to recruiting services. I am merely quoting those on this board who do.
Again, my apologies. 10 picks over 4 games never hurt us at all. Good argument. In our two losses over those 4 games there was a pick six in each. But go ahead and believe Tommy didn't hurt us (except Iowa). I seem to recall the pick six against northwestern as being at a terrible time when we were trying to get some momentum, but I guess we remember that differently.
Yeah, I'm sure most other programs in America would love for their QB to throw 10 picks in 4 games... Not a single one would think that hurt their team.
I really wanted Tommy to succeed. The last 2 games have been so disappointing. And the thing is. If he would just throw it out of bounds or run. He would have half the turnovers and more yards.
At this point. Whatever QB is going to take care of the ball is the one I want. I just want Nebraska to win.
At this point. Whatever QB is going to take care of the ball is the one I want. I just want Nebraska to win.
Yeah I forgot about that pick six. I just remembered not being able to get the ball back. That did hurt. Throw it out of bounds like I said above.
Jeans I agree with you for the most part. Tommy came up big for us at times. At other times defense came up big. When they didn't come up big at the same time, we seemed to lose due to the errors of one side or the other. And of course, coaching could have won us a game or three more.
If The light comes on for Tommy next year, I'll be all in behind him. But he has to improve, or, like you say, find someone who will take care of the ball.
If The light comes on for Tommy next year, I'll be all in behind him. But he has to improve, or, like you say, find someone who will take care of the ball.
...or throw the ball instead of running and burning more clock against Illinois??? Or how about not snapping the ball early against BYU on the last possession??? Both decisions cost us games that was high school level in decision making. Yet posters want to argue that Bo didn't leave the cupboard bare??? The cupboard is half empty with broken, damaged or not ready to use cups and flatware that make them unusable. But in time the fresh new pieces where ready to use and it made things so much nicer. Although we only had one cup that wasn't totally broke... but it had a major crack that caused it to leak all over the fresh new flatware and beautiful tablecloth. So you just stop at the dollar general store to pick up a serviceable cup in the short term. It might not look the best but it won't be making a mess anymore.
I don't think the cupboard is bare, but even if it was, it is not necessarily Bo's fault. He rarely used 3 LB's at the same time, so he didn't have to have a lot of LB depth. He didn't run a scheme that puts our CBs on an island expecting them to be lockdown corners when they're not. He didn't start a running back whose only purpose is for blocking and catching. He didn't try to implement a passing offense when our skillset is aligned to running the ball at every position. So TA and the OL look much worse than they otherwise would have been.
I think Riley deserves some breathing room, and I would be happy with him if we did have a decent season. But I think he's already shown that he's not capable of leading this team in the right direction by constantly putting our players in a bad position.
What really doesn't make sense is on the part of the AD. If he knows we have supposedly bad depth and supposedly the players are more loyal to Bo than the program, why does he fire a 10 win coach and replace him with a coach like Mike Riley? A coach who is not going to be here much more than 5 years no matter how well he does due to his age. We hire a coach who doesn't know how to change his system to the players, and the system he implements is completely different than the previous system. The hire of Riley makes absolutely no sense as he is supposed to make a quick turnaround. It seems that wasn't why he was hired at all. It seems he was really hired to change the culture of a program that didn't need to be changed. Yes, there were some players loyal to Bo, and were hurt by his firing. That's going to happen with any coach, let alone one with 10 wins every year. The best way to change the culture of a program is to win. And the AD decides to hire a guy who went 5-7 the year before, who has a completely different system than Nebraska runs with little depth and little time to implement those changes?
I believed Riley deserved a chance when he was hired, but he's already shown what he's capable of and nothing's going to improve. This hire made absolutely no sense from the start.
I think Riley deserves some breathing room, and I would be happy with him if we did have a decent season. But I think he's already shown that he's not capable of leading this team in the right direction by constantly putting our players in a bad position.
What really doesn't make sense is on the part of the AD. If he knows we have supposedly bad depth and supposedly the players are more loyal to Bo than the program, why does he fire a 10 win coach and replace him with a coach like Mike Riley? A coach who is not going to be here much more than 5 years no matter how well he does due to his age. We hire a coach who doesn't know how to change his system to the players, and the system he implements is completely different than the previous system. The hire of Riley makes absolutely no sense as he is supposed to make a quick turnaround. It seems that wasn't why he was hired at all. It seems he was really hired to change the culture of a program that didn't need to be changed. Yes, there were some players loyal to Bo, and were hurt by his firing. That's going to happen with any coach, let alone one with 10 wins every year. The best way to change the culture of a program is to win. And the AD decides to hire a guy who went 5-7 the year before, who has a completely different system than Nebraska runs with little depth and little time to implement those changes?
I believed Riley deserved a chance when he was hired, but he's already shown what he's capable of and nothing's going to improve. This hire made absolutely no sense from the start.
Nope, just tired of people blaming Bo. I agree he should have been fired, but there's no excuse for 5-7. I was mostly trying to get across the point that SE is incompetent.Bo butthurt strong with this one, it is
For Riley's system, Bo left short some depth in a couple positions. Ironically, those positions have been our biggest strength this year. If Bo were still coaching here, I don't think he left the cupboard bare at all for the system he uses and we would have had another 9 win type year, not that 9 wins is good enough either.
I can't believe you tried to support your statement with hearsay and present it as fact. Please don't make yourself out to be jackass and an exaggerator, cause that's what it looks like right now to me. Had you stated " a couple people that belong to RSS think we will have a top 15-25 class" I'd have let it be. No disrespect but I don't appreciate your stretching of the truth.
Timnsun, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
People may think your statement is butt hurt for Bo but it's 100% correct. Some people are delusional and just want to ignore the truth. I wanted Bo fired for years because I though he would always be a 9-4 coach at best. I never thought he would bring in the elite talent that Billy C or TO (in his last few years) could bring in. However, he did good enough to win 9 games. I'm hesitant to think MR can ever consistently do that and history supports that. Im also very hesitant that he can even recruit well enough on Bo's level. But I'm with you, I'll support our Huskers thru hell and high water. Doesn't mean I can't question things. Doesn't mean I should lie to myself or everyone else about what we have as a coach and AD. I am 100% a husker fan, 0-12 or 12-0. It would just be a ton more fun if we could be 12-0
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For the record, I could have been clearer. I was quoting those on RSS who were quoting guys like Jeremy Crabtree and Tom Luginbill... I wasn't quoting husker fans for their insight, but what they had read from recruiting analysts. I can see how you would misinterpret my post, for which I am sorry.
Now are you seriously going to ignore the deflecting you have done in this thread? I have addressed it more than once how you want to look at Riley at Oregon State when this is about Bo. Please stop picking and choosing what you want to respond to and respond to the actual questions I pose. That would be awesome. Unless you don't have a leg to stand on, then keep ignoring those questions and deflect away. You're good at it.
It also doesn't mean we can't question your mental capabilities when, over the last year, example after example has been given of coaches who knocked it out of the park after a change of scenery. From the start you haven't stopped beating the drum of this being a bad hire. You have never given Riley a chance since day one.
I don't doubt that you are a fan. But in my opinion, you are a crappy fan if you can't give the coaches a chance to turn this thing around. And before you say anything about his record over the years, this is a new start with different resources, tradition, etc. Is it possible that he fails? Absolutely. I can admit that.
You can't even admit the possibility that he turns it around. You won't even give him that chance. Some fan.
Spinner, I bumped the thread where recruiting analysts were brought up touting where they believe this recruiting class will finish. Recruiting Class Still in the 40s is the title. Take the time to read it. Could these posters be making this up? If you want to believe that, then that's your right. But understand that I didn't make my statement on a bunch of fans... It was on expert opinions as reported by husker fans.
Click on the link... (I hope I do this right)
http://nebraska.forums.rivals.com/posts/1287674/
Click on the link... (I hope I do this right)
http://nebraska.forums.rivals.com/posts/1287674/
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Agree with this. Cupboard is far from bare. If you think it is you're looking for excuses. We still have to see what kind of class we bring in but so far it's looking like Riley is a better recruiter and Pelini is a better coach.
I'm trying to give him a chance but he isn't exactly helping himself now is he. And no, day one I was actually kind of excited about the hire. That excitement went away when he brought in all his boys to be assistants when many great assistants that weren't his boys wanted to come to NU. Guys like Ed Orgeron, we could have had vs Bruce "whataburger" Reed. Granted, we probably wouldn't have had a LS on scholarship or a punter as a verbal but we'd have had a ton more 4's and 5's star recruits looking at us. Riley lost me the day he decided that he was going to try to do the same thing that he had always done and expect different results. We had that coach before, the one who will only hire his buddies. It doesn't work...
and to call me a bad fan because I don't blindly support him is idiotic. Please excuse my terrible analogy but would you tell a German in 1930's they were a bad German because they didn't support the Nazi party. In no way am I calling Riley a Nazi. Riley is a good man. I can't stress that enough. My meaning is that you don't have to blindly agree to everything that has to do with something you love & I do love Husker football. Timnsun, one day Riley won't be our coach. Regardless if he's fired or he retires on good terms. God willing we both see that day as healthy people. And God willing, we are both on this board still chatting up husker talk. on that day I bet you'll see a different reaction from me for the new staff. You will see that I am not try to stir crap up, like you believe I try to do. I honestly just don't believe in him as a coach. Let's just try to agree to disagree. If not, we can throw jabs at each other until Riley is fired or wins a B1G title. Your choice
Spinner, analogy aside, I can appreciate your post. We approach things differently. Again, I don't question that you are a fan, and it was probably a low blow to call you a crappy fan. I do see your point regarding the coaches he brought in. Can they get better? So far it doesn't look great after some of the things we saw this season, but my hope (maybe even a blind hope) is that they can figure some things out with better talent and resources. It may not happen at all, but I am willing to let things play out a little longer.
And yes, spinner, I do look forward to the day when we can chat up husker football and be on the same page (which will mean we have returned to national prominence once again). I appreciate your honesty in this thread and will try to remember it in the future... In the end, we are both fans of the Huskers. GBR!
With Bo there were a lot of misses on judging talent and there was some weak areas of recruiting leaving us with little depth. It appears this staff is more organized with there recruiting plans and have tried to make up some of the weak areas in recruiting.