So does Calipari leave Kentucky now?
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The NCAA will have a Starkville extension in days. Kentucky has "sovreign immunity" to that kind of stuff... much like Alabama and football... and we don't. Plain and simple. I would not want to risk the NCAA being all over our *** about Nike, especially since we just signed a deal with Addidas a few years ago.
If they can prove (or just think they have enough) that Kentucky players were receiving money then Kentucky's NC is going bye-bye and Kentucky is going to get hit with LOIC faster than you can say "Cal''s a cheating bastard" -- or "We're going to hire one of these three guys. Book it." Which ever one you prefer.Coach34 said:
Thank God Stricklin is running our Athletic department and not you, because you'd shaft us for 10 years to have one "successful" season.
Interesting to say the least. There's a lot going on there, Antigua was rumored to be going to Duquesne, but if Cal goes maybe he moves to HC and Payne moves to second chair. Also you really didn't hear too much about WWW in the papers, and today someone posted an article about WWW and his connections.
and your dumb *** thinks they would pay players to go to Mississippi State because Kenny Payne would be coaching there?
Can you not comprehend the difference between a nationwide brand like Kentucky having their talent wearing Nike crap and a regional (at best) brand like Mississippi State having their talent wear Nike crap? I'll make it simple for you. There's a return for Nike associating themselves with UK.
Can you not comprehend the difference between a nationwide brand like Kentucky having their talent wearing Nike crap and a regional (at best) brand like Mississippi State having their talent wear Nike crap? I'll make it simple for you. There's a return for Nike associating themselves with UK.
...the experience of watching your team win a national title. If we ever won one (which we won't), I wouldn't give 2 ***** about sanctions later on.
this bball program turns out moving forward. Right now our bball program is going to look as if we were on probation if we can't retain our current players and signees. This is his first hire, and very well could be his last if this ship sinks. No flame intended, just saying this is a business, and when business is bad someone will take the heat. You can bank it that the donors WILL make the next bball hire, if necessary.
because a booster was an idiot or some textbook crap... but come on, you can't convince me that all these top players go to Alabama and LSU and those teams experience that kind of success because they think the coaches are nice guys.
You seen the ESPN documentary "Pony Excess?" It's accepted that most major programs recruit doing that kind of stuff (Kentucky Basketball, Alabama, Texas football) like boosters paying players, players getting stuff from Nike... but you let the NCAA start thinking a program like Mississippi State is doing that kind of stuff, we'd get the death penalty in a heartbeat.
Hell, your buddies on the plains CLEARLY got away with paying a player money, entirely too much evidence suggests he got paid, yet they didn't do anything to him because the player "didn't know about it." Give me a break...
You seen the ESPN documentary "Pony Excess?" It's accepted that most major programs recruit doing that kind of stuff (Kentucky Basketball, Alabama, Texas football) like boosters paying players, players getting stuff from Nike... but you let the NCAA start thinking a program like Mississippi State is doing that kind of stuff, we'd get the death penalty in a heartbeat.
Hell, your buddies on the plains CLEARLY got away with paying a player money, entirely too much evidence suggests he got paid, yet they didn't do anything to him because the player "didn't know about it." Give me a break...
At UMASS I thought the deal was that Camby got benefits from an agent or something. At Memphis, I don't really recall the circumstances but don't rememberCal being involved in paying players and the such. Could be wrong I suppose.
ckDOG said:
Nike gets on these kids early to beat out the competition, sponsoring AAU teams and such, so that they will have these guys in the back pockets once they become famous. Nike is in it for Nike. Nike also wants to own the SEC- so if they can take over another SEC team- then even better.
Now add Kenny Payne- a very close friend of WWW and Phil Knight. They want Kenny Payne- their friend- to succeed. So they are willing to do some things to make that happen.
We got scared to be a big boy- plain and simple.
Bama got freakin' HAMMERED by the NCAA (over the Dubose era)... not that it was undeserved.<div>
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MSU's athletic department could drop off the face of the earth tomorrow and the sports world would keep on ticking. We represent very very very little of market share - I don't care if we are in the SEC or not.
Kenny Payne might very well be best buds with Wes and Phil Knight. They probably hope the best for the guy and hope he's successful. That might even involve asking MSU to give him a look. You know why? Because that's free to them and it gets their buddy a raise. Do you think self interested parties like Nike and WWW are going to invest their own time and resources in making MSU into a national power? Again, no. They have bigger battles to become invested in and win. It's 17ing Nike and a man that has influence over Lebron James. We aren't on their radar.
If this really came down to boosters wanting Payne because we thought it would make us well connected to the power brokers of the sports world, I'm glad Stricklin went against the grain. We would have ended up with a guy known only for being the bag man, only this time with no funding to be effective.
Kenny Payne might very well be best buds with Wes and Phil Knight. They probably hope the best for the guy and hope he's successful. That might even involve asking MSU to give him a look. You know why? Because that's free to them and it gets their buddy a raise. Do you think self interested parties like Nike and WWW are going to invest their own time and resources in making MSU into a national power? Again, no. They have bigger battles to become invested in and win. It's 17ing Nike and a man that has influence over Lebron James. We aren't on their radar.
If this really came down to boosters wanting Payne because we thought it would make us well connected to the power brokers of the sports world, I'm glad Stricklin went against the grain. We would have ended up with a guy known only for being the bag man, only this time with no funding to be effective.
WWW isnt paid by Kentucky. He gets paid by Nike. Nike has branded these up and coming young basketball players.
WWW and Knight want Payne to succeed. So they will steer a couple of people his way- it wont be their Anthony Davis or John Wall type guys- but it will be some of those next level below guys that are still very, very good basketball players.
It's not about Miss State- it's a KFP
WWW and Knight want Payne to succeed. So they will steer a couple of people his way- it wont be their Anthony Davis or John Wall type guys- but it will be some of those next level below guys that are still very, very good basketball players.
It's not about Miss State- it's a KFP
Why? More TV sets. Not Kenny Payne. If Nike feels it's in their best interest to channel talent to MSU, they will do it whether Kenny Payne is there or not.
If you can't understand this very simple point, I'm done with this conversation. You have elevated Payne to Santa Claus status.
If you can't understand this very simple point, I'm done with this conversation. You have elevated Payne to Santa Claus status.
...would you rather never win or win and have it vacated. To me, there's no question. I'd rather win and have it vacated. Obviously you'd like to win "the right way" but it's painfully obvious that MSU will never do that. Duke can win "the right way." We cannot.
and self promoting prognostications from Coach Stansbury's regime to Coach Ray's regime. By the way, who got the job? Mike Davis or Kenny Payne? You are still spot on with your predictions.
I don't doubt the UK players get extra benefits like players get at a lot of places, but that's not why they are flocking to Calipari. Those types of things are pocket change compared to what he's selling. He's selling Derrick Rose's $94MM contract and reported $250MM shoe deal. He's selling Tyreke Evans, Demarcus Cousins, John Wall, etc, etc, etc....<div>bullysleftnut said:
</div><div>There are big posters of every player he has in the NBA in the Craft Center and I suspect there is a power point slide with their contract info and endorsements that finds its way into recruits hands.</div><div>
</div><div>And he's about to have 6 more join the parade.</div><div>
</div><div>In other words, they are selling a much bigger picture than wheels and spending money for a year in Lexington. They are selling the you come here for a year or two and you will get your payday. And so will your great grandkids.</div><div>
</div><div>The problem he faces is a guy like Gilchrist jumping the gun with an agent - like Camby did. I suspect they go to great lengths to monitor that, but who knows what a 18-19 year old kid does in his spare time.
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I spent 3 of the last 4 weekends traveling around the SE watching UK make its run and had a lot of fun doing it. <div>klerushund said:
</div><div>I saw a lot of the same people along the way. And I don't think any of them give two ***** if the trophy doesn't find a permanent home in Lexington.</div>
... he meant, after they got the penalty, they all got hammered playing a drinking game based on the number of people who said "WTF?" as a result of those penalties.