So..... LSU is a "must win" for Ole Miss now right?

bonedaddy401

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Listening to them talk about how bad LSU is all week got me thinking... they have to win down there now right?

Surely since they are worse than Boise and this is Les Miles worst team yet Ole Miss has to go down there and get a W.

Mark it down... Ole Miss LSU is a must win for Freeze and and the recruits.
 

coach66

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I would say they have painted themselves into a pretty good corner with

all their rhetoric.
 

uptowndawg

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Thinking about going over there for that one

since we'll be playing way up north that day.

Should be a good game.
 

shotgunDawg

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If they can't beat the worst lsu team ever, then Om is really bad

The problem Ole Miss has is that LSU is a terrible matchup for them. Ole Miss can't run the ball or stop the run and that's exactly what LSU tries to do. LSU's strength is their secondary
 

DerHntr

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They absolutely must beat LSU after all of their comments disparaging theTigers. If they lose, the excuses will be epic.
 

Drebin

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They absolutely must beat LSU after all of their comments disparaging theTigers. If they lose, the excuses will be epic.

The meltdown will be enjoyable to watch (and make no mistake, it's going to happen). The only thing that gives me pause is that they are going to drop a couple before they even play that game. I think their expectations will be adjusted accordingly going into BR.
 

DerHntr

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The meltdown will be enjoyable to watch (and make no mistake, it's going to happen). The only thing that gives me pause is that they are going to drop a couple before they even play that game. I think their expectations will be adjusted accordingly going into BR.

Fortunately, they say these things online. I will be happy to dig into whatever archives necessary if need be and will waive those comments around like their rebel flags.
 

dannyripms

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I think it's funny that since we beat LSU they think it's a easy win for them. Lsu is still good imo. We were just better that day. I think Bears will lose. They haven't played anyone to date. Until they play someone I'm withholding how good they think they are
 

drt7891

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I already busted bruiser this morning. It will be glorious when they fall in Baton Rouge... There won't be a shortage of people on here digging through archives. Lots of goo material.
 

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Until they prove me wrong, I declare OM to be very one dimensional. At least offensively.

Defensively they are quite solid, but they also haven't faced a good offense yet. Boise is hands down the best offense they've played and they are 71st in scoring. Vandy is in the 100s and the fighting Huds are ~90. Memphis is 12th, and that's after playing a defense that played pretty well last night against a fairly stout AZ State offense. We'll see tomorrow if UCLA was just sleepwalking through that game and OM really does have a pretty good d. I'm leaning toward that, but we'll see for sure.

Offensively, they rarely throw it across the middle or setup screens out of the backfield. It's all bubble screens to WR or jump routes. I'll admit I haven't watched all of their games or every play but the drives I *have* seen that's every damn play that's even moderately successful. It's hilarious when they try to run the ball in any direction unless it's with Bo scrambling out in the open.
 
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Until they prove me wrong, I declare OM to be very one dimensional. At least offensively.

Defensively they are quite solid, but they also haven't faced a good offense yet. Boise is hands down the best offense they've played and they are 71st in scoring. Vandy is in the 100s and the fighting Huds are ~90. Memphis is 12th, and that's after playing a defense that played pretty well last night against a fairly stout AZ State offense. We'll see tomorrow if UCLA was just sleepwalking through that game and OM really does have a pretty good d. I'm leaning toward that, but we'll see for sure.

Offensively, they rarely throw it across the middle or setup screens out of the backfield. It's all bubble screens to WR or jump routes. I'll admit I haven't watched all of their games or every play but the drives I *have* seen that's every damn play that's even moderately successful. It's hilarious when they try to run the ball in any direction unless it's with Bo scrambling out in the open.

I'm not one to run to the rescue, but I've been really surprised by Wallace this year and I'm one of his biggest skeptics. I'll readily admit that last year he relied on screens and quick out routes because he couldn't throw the ball farther than 15 yards, but this year is noticeably different. Captain Bubble Screen is no more. He has actually thrown the ball with some zip and authority this year which leads us Rebel fans to believe he's a changed man.

I started counting after the first game and came away with 3 of 30 against Vanderbilt and 2 of 28 passes against UL-L that were screens. And of those, at least 1 in each game was to a running back coming out of the backfield where he hit them already in sprint. I have no idea what a jump route is and Google doesn't seem to either. By my McClurian math, that's about 5% bubble screens which contrasts strongly to his average last year of 95%.

From our conditioning as fans concerning Wallace last year, we cringe every time he throws the ball over the middle but ever since the 2nd half of the Boise game, he's been sharp and strong with those passes. And he has actually gone over the middle a good amount this year which is evidenced by the amount of receptions from Evan Engram and Cody Core who only line up in the middle.

Also, this seems to lend credence to what Wallace's problem was during the first half against Boise....he was aware he finally had his arm strength back and felt if he just threw the ball hard enough in to double and triple coverage there would be no way Boise could catch the ball. I'm sure his *** was lit in to during halftime and he's been remarkable since then.

I'm sure you have better things to do tomorrow, but if not give him a watch tomorrow. I think you'll be shocked that the "party line" is false and there are no crow hops and bubble screens to be seen.
 
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If I see anything that even remotely resembles a stomp from either side, I'll send the damn video in myself.
 

coach66

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I agree, I think Bo has played very well

And he has not run the ball much at all yet and frankly he reads pretty well and is effective with north and south runs.
 

os62

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Boys, all my Rebels have to do is roll the ball out there and get to work.***** Should be a breeze*****

(heavy emphasis on the *****)
 

drt7891

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Although what you say is entirely credible, history has proven a one dimension offense struggles against good defenses (bama, lsu, etc.) scott was a workhorse for you guys last year and was a big reason, if not the key to your offensive success against lsu... This year, I say this with all seriousness, I'd be VERY concerned at the lack of production on the ground from your offense this year. Being one dimensional, no matter how good that dimension is, just is not sustainable, and history has proven that time and time again.
 

os62

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As long as we aren't on Jackson State's buses, we should be fine****
 
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Although what you say is entirely credible, history has proven a one dimension offense struggles against good defenses (bama, lsu, etc.) scott was a workhorse for you guys last year and was a big reason, if not the key to your offensive success against lsu... This year, I say this with all seriousness, I'd be VERY concerned at the lack of production on the ground from your offense this year. Being one dimensional, no matter how good that dimension is, just is not sustainable, and history has proven that time and time again.

You're definitely right. The lack of running is concerning and hopefully we figure something out. For the last couple of years, our run game was primarily the read option with Wallace and Scott and never a pound-it-up-the-middle style. Freeze has been reluctant to use that this year (likely wanting to keep Wallace healthy) and we don't have the OL to support an inside run game. We all know that something like that just doesn't appear in the middle of the year...you have to have adequate personnel for it (a much better OL than ours and better power backs).

The head-scratcher is that Freeze is trying his damnedest for us to run up the middle and it hasn't worked. My guess is that this is why we've seen other QBs (Kincade, Liggins, etc) come in at odd times during the middle of drives...he really wants to work them in as a viable part of our running game so Wallace isn't asked to take many hits this year in the ground game. Hopefully this was fine-tuned during the bye week and we'll see it work fluidly against Memphis. We've yet to really see any of the "run game QBs" mix in passes.
 

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scott was a workhorse for you guys last year and was a big reason, if not the key to your offensive success against lsu

Jeff Scott did't play against LSU. He was injured.

I'd be VERY concerned at the lack of production on the ground from your offense this year. Being one dimensional, no matter how good that dimension is, just is not sustainable, and history has proven that time and time again.

I agree
 
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MSU played at a very high level and Prescott and Robinson looked like Tecmo Bowl players. But LSu's game plan and QB play were both terrible. Plenty of non-Ole Miss fans have made that observation. Considering how much success they've had and their salaries, I would be surprised if the LSU coaches dont make significant changes. My theory is that they are just too accustomed to having huge size/speed advantages across the field.

Harris throws a great ball, but who knows if he has the intangibles necessary to succeed at the position. And the list of good freshman SEC QBs is very short.
 

Hanmudog

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The key to Ole Miss beating LSU last year was Mettenberger chucking up ducks into triple teams in the endzone that repeatedly got intercepted.
 

bear fan

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The key to Ole Miss beating LSU last year was Mettenberger chucking up ducks into triple teams in the endzone that repeatedly got intercepted.

Mettenberger's 3 first half interceptions were certainly a big part of it (but don't forget OM had 2 fumbles so the turnover advantage was only 3 to 2). Wallace completing 77% of his passes for 350 yards was also a big part of it. Jaylon Walton and Itavious Mathers combining for over 5 ypc on 31 carries was also a big part of it. And OM's run d limiting LSU's run game to just over 3 ypc on 35 carries was also a big part of it.